Experiencing Blu-ray in 2CH Stereo only!

[rded]

Originally Posted by Sith

unacceptable blu ray experience...However I do agree that building a stereo
piece by piece, speaker by speaker is the way to go if money is an issue..In the long run it's better..

Really?! Have you watched a Blu on a great 2 channel system?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by John72953

Before the wolves come out to bite me in the a$$, let me state here and now that Blu-ray should be experienced in glorious lossless sound within a multi-channel setup.

John

I am a wolf and willing to bite you in the a$$ for no reason at all.

Originally Posted by rded

Movies and programs watched on an GREAT 2-channel system will always outclass a mediocre 5/6/7.1 system

Why is it that people always compare a great 2-channel system to a mediocre multi-channel system? Why not compare a great multi-channel system to a great 2-channel system?

Personally, I prefer to own a great multi-channel system to a great two-channel system. Of course, it is best to own two great systems in two different rooms. There is a high risk that you may get shot by the WAF.

[rded]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Personally, I prefer to own a great multi-channel system to a great two-channel system. Of course, it is best to own two great systems in two different rooms. There is a high risk that you may get shot by the WAF.

WHY OH WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED THAT YOU SHOWED UP???!!!

WAF and getting shot by the Wife are the 2 main reasons why I do not have 2 separate systems and a PJ!!!

[jomari]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Why is it that people always compare a great 2-channel system to a mediocre multi-channel system? Why not compare a great multi-channel system to a great 2-channel system?

good point. if ever i had the opportunity to own some klipschorns or la scalas on comparision to a superb 5.1 system, id er... give myself a couple of sleepless days to consider this.

but in reality, i think id stick with a fantastic 5.1 system still. of course, heresies or cornwalls as the front LCR's of course...

im not that grown up just yet...

[Krelldog1977]

Originally Posted by Sith

unacceptable blu ray experience...However I do agree that building a stereo
piece by piece, speaker by speaker is the way to go if money is an issue..In the long run it's better..

I would have agreed with you a month ago, but not now

I'd say it's more unacceptable to go with a HTIB setup Versus a 2.1 setup with higher fidelity fronts.

Inexpensive satellite speakers have a huge problem with dynamics and are severely limited in freq range....making them a poor choice for the blu-ray experience.

Save the $1000 on the boxed set and instead spend it on 2 good fronts....it will in no way be an insult to blu-ray...


Enjoy...!

[rded]

Originally Posted by Krelldog1977

I would have agreed with you a month ago, but not now

I'd say it's more unacceptable to go with a HTIB setup Versus a 2.1 setup with higher fidelity fronts.

Inexpensive satellite speakers have a huge problem with dynamics and are severely limited in freq range....making them a poor choice for the blu-ray experience.

Save the $1000 on the boxed set and instead spend it on 2 good fronts....it will in no way be an insult to blu-ray...


Enjoy...!

I couldn't have said it better my friend

[Johnny Vinyl]

I should add that about 25-30% of my Blu-ray collection consists of Concert BD's, which have wonderful 2.0 LPCM tracks, so my opinion is probably slightly skewed. These discs get constant playback as opposed to my movies, which might get viewed once/twice per year.

I'm concentrating right now on building the best possible 2CH setup I can afford, and once accomplished I'll start with the building of a multi-channel surround environment.

John

[rded]

Originally Posted by John72953

I should add that about 25-30% of my Blu-ray collection consists of Concert BD's, which have wonderful 2.0 LPCM tracks, so my opinion is probably slightly skewed. These discs get constant playback as opposed to my movies, which might get viewed once/twice per year.

I'm concentrating right now on building the best possible 2CH setup I can afford, and once accomplished I'll start with the building of a multi-channel surround environment.

John

Hi John,

This is precisely the reason why I have bought more CDs heck even vinyl this past year because I'd be lucky to watch my movies 1-2 times annually-some are still sealed

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Why is it that people always compare a great 2-channel system to a mediocre multi-channel system? Why not compare a great multi-channel system to a great 2-channel system?

I think the price-point and investment was the point. You get what you pay for. There is no way you can spend X dollars on a 7.1 or 5.1 system and expect the amplification, speakers, cabling, etc and resulting sound quality to be as good as if you spent those same dollars on a two channel system.

Personally, I prefer to own a great multi-channel system to a great two-channel system. Of course, it is best to own two great systems in two different rooms. There is a high risk that you may get shot by the WAF.

I agree. But at least in my reality, I don't have the space to have dedicated systems in two different rooms. For me it was easy to put the emphasis on the two-channel performance of my system because I started piecing it together back before I started collecting DVDs, and it was initially purely for music. Since then I became much more interested in multichannel performance and have upgraded all my components, but the core concept has always been superior two-channel performance. If I get the Oppo SE with NuForce mods, that component will further that emphasis on two-channel quality. The one exception is my center speaker, which is pricier than the other B&Ws in my system. Since 99% of the dialog in multichannel applications comes through this speaker, I decided that was a worthwhile investment.

[JBL4645]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Why is it that people always compare a great 2-channel system to a mediocre multi-channel system? Why not compare a great multi-channel system to a great 2-channel system?

I guess he must be old and senile like, me now.

There is nothing better than having both in the same box that can do, all sound formats.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by JBL4645

I guess he must be old and senile like, me now.

There is nothing better than having both in the same box that can do, all sound formats.

Can you explain that, because I'm not understanding completely what you mean?

John

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Krelldog1977

Hi John, once again we are on the same page here! Let me give everyone a rundown of my recent experience in going from a 5.1 blu-ray setup to a 2.1 blu-ray setup...

I recently sold my paradigm studio 100's, my center, and my surround speakers in order to acquire enough cash to buy my " dream " towers. This may seem like a large sacrifice in going from a 5 channel setup....to only 2 channels...but I can promise you that I made the right move

My front soundstage has improved by about 500% and I am still hearing sound everywhere in the room during movies.

My conclusion: For small rooms there is no need for a center or surrounds provided you have front towers that are capable of full range, high resolution output.

talk to ya soon,
B

What would be great would be having enough money to have your dream 2-channel listening room and a multi-channel theatre all in the same house.

[bttfiii]

i have the BDP (Sony BDP-S360) hook up to LCD TV via HDMI and RCA 2CH hook up to my very old 'home theatre' system. obviously sound comes out from both the TV and the system 2 speakers.

now, the problem here is that the tv audio and 2CH audio do not synch! i tried messing with the delay on the home theatre but just can't get it to synch with the tv. i also tried the BDP audio delay but will not work since all it does is to delay both audio output equally

i've fine living with 2CH but when there is conversation in the movie, it is best to have the centre speaker (which is the TV) doing the job

my home theatre has no coxial or digital input

any help?

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by bttfiii

i have the BDP (Sony BDP-S360) hook up to LCD TV via HDMI and RCA 2CH hook up to my very old 'home theatre' system. obviously sound comes out from both the TV and the system 2 speakers.

now, the problem here is that the tv audio and 2CH audio do not synch! i tried messing with the delay on the home theatre but just can't get it to synch with the tv. i also tried the BDP audio delay but will not work since all it does is to delay both audio output equally

i've fine living with 2CH but when there is conversation in the movie, it is best to have the centre speaker (which is the TV) doing the job

my home theatre has no coxial or digital input

any help?

If you have a good pair of front speakers you don't need a centre channel, especially not the use of TV speakers as a fake centre. I've had a system attached to my TV for going 30-35 years and I have NEVER used the TV speakers. I've also never had an issue with dialogue coming from movies.

John

[jomari]

Originally Posted by bttfiii

i have the BDP (Sony BDP-S360) hook up to LCD TV via HDMI and RCA 2CH hook up to my very old 'home theatre' system. obviously sound comes out from both the TV and the system 2 speakers.

now, the problem here is that the tv audio and 2CH audio do not synch! i tried messing with the delay on the home theatre but just can't get it to synch with the tv. i also tried the BDP audio delay but will not work since all it does is to delay both audio output equally

i've fine living with 2CH but when there is conversation in the movie, it is best to have the centre speaker (which is the TV) doing the job

my home theatre has no coxial or digital input

any help?

with a good placed set of speakers, you shouldnt be needing your center channel. considering you are not using the digital input (either coax or toslink - both are digital by the way ) ...

try to put your speakers a tad forward, and toe it in angling it towards the center, about a foot in front or at the back of the listening position. this is my preference of course, and also gives you better imaging in my opinion.

you can also try to have it angled right into the sweet spot, but this is dependent on your setup and a couple of other variables et al.

the best way of doing so is finding a good media, preferably a cd you are familiar with, and try to see how it sounds in the listening spot.

laugh all you want, but if you can get karen carpenter singing perfectly like she was around 3 feet away from you dead center, with the pianos sounding like it was 5 feet in the left side, and the cymbals on the right around 4 feet away, then you have a great stereo rig to compete with.

[jerwin]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I am a wolf and willing to bite you in the a$$ for no reason at all.
Why is it that people always compare a great 2-channel system to a mediocre multi-channel system? Why not compare a great multi-channel system to a great 2-channel system?

Money.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by jerwin

Money.

Not necessarily my friend, although it's a somewhat valid reference.

John

[jomari]

actually john, its a very valid reason.

living within means is definitely one principle i highly regard in people.

this is one reason why i am very frugal when i make suggestions regarding purchases and finding a good solid starting point to avoid double dipping.

someone can also dedicate their money towards a good 2 channel system, or a 5.1 system.a matter of preference.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by jomari

actually john, its a very valid reason.

living within means is definitely one principle i highly regard in people.

this is one reason why i am very frugal when i make suggestions regarding purchases and finding a good solid starting point to avoid double dipping.

someone can also dedicate their money towards a good 2 channel system, or a 5.1 system.a matter of preference.

I looked at the answer differently than you I suppose. I took it to mean that one has to cost more than the other, which I don't necessarily agree with.

I do however most definately agree about being "frugal", as it's something that I've lived with for many years. And the decision to go 2CH or 5.1/7.1 is purely a personal one derived from preference.

John

[jerwin]

It also depends on whether you like stereo music in stereo or in surround. Don't laugh! Somebody had to design Dolby Prologic IIx Music.