I'm thinking about getting the Panasonic G10.

[TheSweetieMan]

I've also been contimplating getting the V10 instead, but the discrepancy in price has me leaning more towards the former.

anyway, the 24p cinematic playback is at 48hz for the G10, correct? While the V10 is at 96hz? The thing I want to know is, if I get the G10, with the THX mode turned off, will the 600hz subdrive still enhance motion-sharpness for blurays, gaming, and regular programming? I know the V10 has the superior cinemtaic playback, but I'm not too worried about if if I still get motion fluidity and sharpness with the G10.

[The Don]

I just scooped up the 54G10 last week and it works exceptionally well...and I'm still obviously in the 'breaking-in' process, so I still don't really have it calibrated the way it should be....yet..

but I'm working on having it good to go before the Superbowl..

[crackinhedz]

My honest opinion...

The difference between 48Hz, 96Hz and good ol' 60Hz is not worth an extra couple hundred $$ to me. Ive lived with 60Hz playback for the last 20 years and I had no issues. (did you? )

Now as for a quality TV, I think you would LOVE the Panasonic plasma, whether it be a V10 or a G10.

as Nike says, Just Do It.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

My honest opinion...

The difference between 48Hz, 96Hz and good ol' 60Hz is not worth an extra couple hundred $$ to me. Ive lived with 60Hz playback for the last 20 years and I had no issues. (did you? )

Now as for a quality TV, I think you would LOVE the Panasonic plasma, whether it be a V10 or a G10.

as Nike says, Just Do It.

exactly...the only problem I have had with my set is that I find the THX setting to be entirely too dark to use...and Game is about perfect...

is this something that will change during the 'breaking-in' process?...I really want to use THX mode...

[steve1971]

If I ever do get another HDTV it will be the Panasonic G10. For a plasma tv this baby is just beautiful PQ wise. I would get the G10.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

The thing I want to know is, if I get the G10, with the THX mode turned off, will the 600hz subdrive still enhance motion-sharpness for blurays, gaming, and regular programming?

60Hz mode still allows for 1080/1080 lines of motion resolution to be resolved without any sort of frame interpolation introducing artifacts.

You're golden with the G10, it's a great telly.

[MrFattBill]

I absolutely love my 50G10.

I have tried to watch movies in 48Hz mode but to be honest the flicker, although slight, bugs the crap out of me. I have never seens the V10 in 96Hz mode so I can't comment on it. In my opinion 60Hz looks just fine and based on the money difference it wasn't worth going up to the V10 when I made my purchase.

I use custom settings with a few service menu adjustments and couldn't be happier with the picture

Bill

[TheSweetieMan]

thanks for all of the feedback.

so, if I don't use the 48hz setting with the G10, I will still get exceptional motion-clarity without any artifacts, right? If so, I think I have my new TV.

[HiDefRev]

Right. Just keep it at 60Hz and use the 2:3 pulldown mode. You'll be fine !!

[TheSweetieMan]

one more thing I'd like to ask is, what's the deal with 600hz and 60hz, am I to assume that the 600hz IS 60hz, just produced at 600 times more? I hope that makes sense.

I plan on watching a massive amount of blurays with fast-paced motion, I just want to make sure I get outstanding clarity during fast-motion sequences.

sorry if I've been a pain in the ass with these questions over the last couple of months, it's just been hard getting straight-forward and informative answers from the likes of Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc.

[bluskinsfan21]

i was thinking about this or a g15, but now with all of the black level issues, my last hope for a solid tv seems to have been crushed!

[MrFattBill]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

one more thing I'd like to ask is, what's the deal with 600hz and 60hz, am I to assume that the 600hz IS 60hz, just produced at 600 times more? I hope that makes sense.

I plan on watching a massive amount of blurays with fast-paced motion, I just want to make sure I get outstanding clarity during fast-motion sequences.

sorry if I've been a pain in the ass with these questions over the last couple of months, it's just been hard getting straight-forward and informative answers from the likes of Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc.

I watch ~4 movies a week and couldn't be happier with the G10

Bill

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

one more thing I'd like to ask is, what's the deal with 600hz and 60hz, am I to assume that the 600hz IS 60hz, just produced at 600 times more? I hope that makes sense.

The 600Hz marketing number describes the sub-field drive, which is said to reduce motion blur and improve overall motion resolution. If I understand correctly, each pixel is broken-down into 10 'fields' that each refresh at 60Hz. 60Hz x 10 fields = 600Hz. It's mainly a marketing number used to counter the 120/240Hz numbers marketed by LCDs, and not something you need to be concerned with.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

The 600Hz marketing number describes the sub-field drive, which is said to reduce motion blur and improve overall motion resolution. If I understand correctly, each pixel is broken-down into 10 'fields' that each refresh at 60Hz. 60Hz x 10 fields = 600Hz. It's mainly a marketing number used to counter the 120/240Hz numbers marketed by LCDs, and not something you need to be concerned with.

that's definitely understandable, and my question is almost answered, but does the 600hz sub-field legitimately help enhance motion-resolution? Specifically blu-ray movies?

[centauro74]

I was getting ready to buy a g10, and today saw the post cnet about the problem that the g10 and v10 was having on their black levels after 500 plus hours of use. That scare the hell out of me, so right now, i'm waiting on the new plasmas or led from samsung, it's a shame for panasonic.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

that's definitely understandable, and my question is almost answered, but does the 600hz sub-field legitimately help enhance motion-resolution? Specifically blu-ray movies?

Touting the 600Hz number is marketing hype, but from what I've read, it DOES help the set achieve at or close to 1080 lines of motion resolution, so it is a legitimate feature (Samsung uses similar technology on their plasmas).

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by centauro74

I was getting ready to buy a g10, and today saw the post cnet about the problem that the g10 and v10 was having on their black levels after 500 plus hours of use. That scare the hell out of me, so right now, i'm waiting on the new plasmas or led from samsung, it's a shame for panasonic.

what happens after the 500 hours?

can anyone else confirm if this is a big deal or not?

oh, and when are Panasnoic releasing their new lines?

[PanaPlasma]

I'm really satisfied with my Panny 42" V10. I've heard the UK-version is not as interesting as the European version? Yes strange, there's a difference between UK <-> rest of Europe. Check the reviews.

[slckofit]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

what happens after the 500 hours?

can anyone else confirm if this is a big deal or not?

oh, and when are Panasnoic releasing their new lines?

I read a little about it on the avs forum. There's a whole thread dedicated to it i believe.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

what happens after the 500 hours?

can anyone else confirm if this is a big deal or not?

oh, and when are Panasnoic releasing their new lines?

A few members are noticing elevated black levels at the 1,000 hour mark.
The performance of the set doesn't change outside this and it appears to be a malfunction of some sets which are changing drastically at this point instead of gradually.

Panasonic haven't yet released MLL information, so there's no way of knowing whether these malfunctioning sets are jumping at 1,000 to the MLL that's pre-programmed to be reached by 10,000 hours or 100,000 hours.

The majority of owners are not reporting any problems like this, so one can only assume it's a glitch on those particular units. I've read posts with people that have done the 150+ hour break-in using D-Nice's settings in VIVID mode and have well over 1,000 hours on their set and have no change in black levels.