Pixar's NEWT (Rumor: Cancelled) Concept Art released

[casablanca3]

Originally Posted by Romulus

This only makes believe that Up was the end of an era for Pixar even more now.

What? LOL The best movie studio in the business coming off a best picture nominee and a masterful film and your saying its over? With Toy Story 3 coming out in a few months as well? Righhhhhht...Have a little faith man, they are geniuses and will continue to make greatness. Toy Story 3 is going to be so great!

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by casablanca3

What? LOL The best movie studio in the business coming off a best picture nominee and a masterful film and your saying its over? With Toy Story 3 coming out in a few months as well? Righhhhhht...Have a little faith man, they are geniuses and will continue to make greatness. Toy Story 3 is going to be so great!

Part of my reasoning is that Cars, their weakest film, is getting a sequel. Apparently Monster's Inc (another film I didn't care for) is getting a sequel. I have my doubts on Toy Story 3. I'm hoping for it to be good but the trailers really haven't impressed me. I liked it when Pixar made original films like they have been. It seems to me they are moving away from this. Do I hope these sequels are incredible? Sure, I but I'll reserve that judgment. It's just been a feeling I've had that Up was going to be their last great film for the time being. I know they still have some incredible stories to tell, I'm just not convinced it's in the form of sequels.

Squid, I hope I'm wrong too.

[6AM]

Toy Story 3 looks terrible. The whole, "We need to get back to Andy!" plot has been used to death for the first two movies.

I'd love to see a Monsters, Inc 2, but Cars 2? Really? I really think that it has to do with marketing. There are TONS of Cars and Toy Story products out there. Everything from toys to clothes to sneakers to tooth brushes. None of their other movies have that type of traction and they have to continue to re-brand the franchise to continue to sell that crap.

I love Pixar, but I think they've lost their magic. Their last great movie was the Incredibles, in my opinion.

[casablanca3]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Part of my reasoning is that Cars, their weakest film, is getting a sequel. Apparently Monster's Inc (another film I didn't care for) is getting a sequel. I have my doubts on Toy Story 3. I'm hoping for it to be good but the trailers really haven't impressed me. I liked it when Pixar made original films like they have been. It seems to me they are moving away from this. Do I hope these sequels are incredible? Sure, I but I'll reserve that judgment. It's just been a feeling I've had that Up was going to be their last great film for the time being. I know they still have some incredible stories to tell, I'm just not convinced it's in the form of sequels.

Squid, I hope I'm wrong too.

All valid points. I liked Cars but not enough for a sequel, would much prefer The Incredibles but I loved Monsters Inc so obviously I would want a sequel to that. Toy Story 3 will be a masterpiece though I have no doubt about that. I fully trust Pixar and feel that they know that they can make original masterpieces as well as sequel masterworks. Toy Story 2 is considered among the greatest sequels ever. Pixar are not stupid, they release that sequels are what makes money and what sells and if they do a sequel they can still create art with it, it will just make a ton of money and allow them to be able to make other projects that Disney might have said no to if Finding Nemo for example had not of made $300+ million.

6AM, you didn't like Ratatouille, Wall-E or UP? Interesting. All masterpieces for me.

[6AM]

Originally Posted by casablanca3

All valid points. I liked Cars but not enough for a sequel, would much prefer The Incredibles but I loved Monsters Inc so obviously I would want a sequel to that. Toy Story 3 will be a masterpiece though I have no doubt about that. I fully trust Pixar and feel that they know that they can make original masterpieces as well as sequel masterworks. Toy Story 2 is considered among the greatest sequels ever. Pixar are not stupid, they release that sequels are what makes money and what sells and if they do a sequel they can still create art with it, it will just make a ton of money and allow them to be able to make other projects that Disney might have said no to if Finding Nemo for example had not of made $300+ million.

6AM, you didn't like Ratatouille, Wall-E or UP? Interesting. All masterpieces for me.

The charm of Pixar is that their movies appealed to both children and adults. I don't know a child who would sit through Ratatouille or Wall-E and to a lesser extent Up, as they seem more geared towards adults. Also, Wall-E and Up are rather depressing movies. Don't get me wrong, they are all good movies, just not as good as their earlier films.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by 6AM

The charm of Pixar is that their movies appealed to both children and adults. I don't know a child who would sit through Ratatouille or Wall-E and to a lesser extent Up, as they seem more geared towards adults. Also, Wall-E and Up are rather depressing movies. Don't get me wrong, they are all good movies, just not as good as their earlier films.

All the kids in my packed theater seemed to love them.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

All the kids in my packed theater seemed to love them.

Yeah the main reason I'm even considering Wall-E on blu-ray is so my nieces can watch it when they want to.

[SpaceDog]

I think it's a mistake to think that Pixar should only make films that are for children. I welcome them dabbling in more adult fare. I also think that Pixar has struck upon something that most other animation studios have not: you don't have to pander to children. Kids are going to be just as interested in more complicated and adult ideas as long as the stories are well told.

My 3 and 5 year old niece and nephew loved UP. Up & Wall-E with Finding Nemo are my 3 favorite Pixar features. Clearly they aren't going down hill. Also, UP just scored their first Best Picture nomination. True, the field has expanded, but I don't think Cars would have been up for Best Picture.

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by Foggy

I didn't know that Eric, that was quite intresting, I'm excited for Toy Story 3, but I never really wanted to see a Cars 2 or a Monsters Inc 2. (They should of burned those evil scripts)

Monster's Inc Bad? WHAT????! How?

It was robbed by Shrek/Dreamworks for the first Best Animated Feature Film Oscar

[Batman1980]

I like both films a good deal but Shrek>Monsters Inc.

[6AM]

Ratatouille is about a rat who wants to be a gourmet chief. Most of the movie deals with the politics of being a restaurateur. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

The first fifteen minutes of Wall-E is nothing but a robot on an Earth decimated by famine stacking boxes. The movie gets going when the robot is transported to a space station where humanity taken residence and become beyond morbidly obese. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

The main character of Up is an old curmudgeon hurt by love lost. He meet his boyhood hero only to find out he's a homicidal a-hole. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

[wallendo]

If the movie wasn't working it should be canned.

On the other hand, I am worried about Disney's pathological response to the failure of "Princess and the Frog". My daughter loved that movie, and I thought it was good (but not on the "Classic" level). I think the failure of Princess and the frog was due to many reasons including:
The previews were not interesting.
The "racial" publicity including rumored changes for political correctness negatively impacted the movie.
A sense that this movie was a marketing ploy to add an African-American Princess to fill in a glaring gap in the Princess line-up and merchandizing.
The Katrina aftermath which has endeared New Orleans to the Hollywood crowd has had an opposite effect on much of the country.
And, as much as I hate to bring this in to the conversation; I suspect that there were a lot of people in the US who didn't want to see a movie about a black princess.

As far as "Newt" is concerned, the basic plot seems too close to one of the sub-plots of Ice Age 2 with the two Mammoths. I know that Pixar can take a bland or weird idea such as a rat who wants to be a gourmet chef and make it work, but Newt would probably look too much like Ice Age 2.

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I like both films a good deal but Shrek>Monsters Inc.

I thought so on my first viewing, but the charm of Shrek wears off after multiple viewings. The charm of Monster's Inc grows every time I watch it.

[Gremal]

I have firebelly newts in my back yard. Hope Pixar is able to do this film--and I hope Disney isn't stamping out Pixar's creativity with a bunch of market research.

Originally Posted by 6AM

Ratatouille is about a rat who wants to be a gourmet chief. Most of the movie deals with the politics of being a restaurateur. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

No way! It is about following your dreams and the message is that you can do anything if you pour yourself into it and have a talent.

The first fifteen minutes of Wall-E is nothing but a robot on an Earth decimated by famine stacking boxes. The movie gets going when the robot is transported to a space station where humanity taken residence and become beyond morbidly obese. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

Will-E is a very child-like robot. You don't think kids could relate to him?

The main character of Up is an old curmudgeon hurt by love lost. He meet his boyhood hero only to find out he's a homicidal a-hole. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

Have to agree with you here but the animals and adventure probably are enjoyable to kids.

[wallendo]

Originally Posted by 6AM

Ratatouille is about a rat who wants to be a gourmet chief. Most of the movie deals with the politics of being a restaurateur. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

It has furry talking animals

The first fifteen minutes of Wall-E is nothing but a robot on an Earth decimated by famine stacking boxes. The movie gets going when the robot is transported to a space station where humanity taken residence and become beyond morbidly obese. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

It has cute robot doing cute things and making beeping noises.

The main character of Up is an old curmudgeon hurt by love lost. He meet his boyhood hero only to find out he's a homicidal a-hole. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

It has talking dogs who fly airplanes. Also just about everybody has a grand-dad or uncle who is an old curmudgeon.

edit: the above poster beat me to it.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Yeah the main reason I'm even considering Wall-E on blu-ray is so my nieces can watch it when they want to.

I bet you end up watching it more than them! It's addictive, and excellent A/V quality.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by 6AM

Ratatouille is about a rat who wants to be a gourmet chief. Most of the movie deals with the politics of being a restaurateur. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

The first fifteen minutes of Wall-E is nothing but a robot on an Earth decimated by famine stacking boxes. The movie gets going when the robot is transported to a space station where humanity taken residence and become beyond morbidly obese. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

The main character of Up is an old curmudgeon hurt by love lost. He meet his boyhood hero only to find out he's a homicidal a-hole. Not sure how that appeals to a child.

There is the Pixar magic. They weave the story in a way that it appeals to kids.

My (at the time) 4, 5, then 6 year old niece sat motionless and silent for all three of those. Totally engaged.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I bet you end up watching it more than them! It's addictive, and excellent A/V quality.

I absolutely hate Wall-E, actually. First Pixar film I haven't liked, only one out on blu that I don't own yet. Robot on planet alone, robot falls in love, floating fat people, earth trashed, yawn.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by wallendo

If the movie wasn't working it should be canned.

On the other hand, I am worried about Disney's pathological response to the failure of "Princess and the Frog". My daughter loved that movie, and I thought it was good (but not on the "Classic" level). I think the failure of Princess and the frog was due to many reasons including:
The previews were not interesting.
The "racial" publicity including rumored changes for political correctness negatively impacted the movie.
A sense that this movie was a marketing ploy to add an African-American Princess to fill in a glaring gap in the Princess line-up and merchandizing.
The Katrina aftermath which has endeared New Orleans to the Hollywood crowd has had an opposite effect on much of the country.
And, as much as I hate to bring this in to the conversation; I suspect that there were a lot of people in the US who didn't want to see a movie about a black princess.

As far as "Newt" is concerned, the basic plot seems too close to one of the sub-plots of Ice Age 2 with the two Mammoths. I know that Pixar can take a bland or weird idea such as a rat who wants to be a gourmet chef and make it work, but Newt would probably look too much like Ice Age 2.

That may be weird, but it sure aint bland.

[Jsheth]

Look on the bright side.......Nemo still aint lost again
This proves that Pixar still has the touch!