Race Blu-ray (MoserBaer) - Blu-ray Forum

Bluffy · 03-13-2010, 09:35 PM

Here's the Blu Ray from MoserBaer.

Race (2008)

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BD Size - 19.1 GB (BD-25)
Video Codec - AVC

Audio -
1. 448 kbps DD 5.1
2. 192 kbps DD 2.0

Language - Hindi
Subtitles - None

sanjay0864 · 03-13-2010, 10:11 PM

I sure as hell hope these screenshots are not a true reflection of the quality of the actual BD. For these, quite honestly are worse than a good quality DVD. The same goes for the screenshots of 'A Wednesday' and 'Fashion'. I suppose I should wait to see the actual BDs before passing final judgement. But, these screenshots surely do not look promising.

sheedoe · 03-13-2010, 11:08 PM

I, on the other hand, think the screen shots look quite good. Although it looks like they applied heavy DNR, making the skin tones look waxy. If there are no other issues like incorrect black levels that we've seen in many bollywood blu's, this may be a pretty decent transfer.

gggargg · 03-14-2010, 12:36 AM

19 GB. Holy crap. What is MB going to do to the 30 GB saved? Seems to be as if MB is creating a platform to cram 3 movies in 1 disc...Nonsense (if its true).

sanjay0864 · 03-14-2010, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluffy

Race (2008)

BD Size - 19.1 GB

Audio -
1. 448 kbps DD 5.1
2. 192 kbps DD 2.0

Subtitles - None

I sincerely hope you are joking. It's not 1st of April yet, is it?

PS: 'Race' has a running time of 159 minutes.

sanjay0864 · 03-14-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gggargg

19 GB. Holy crap. What is MB going to do to the 30 GB saved?

MoserBaer, which ironically manufactures 'BD / DVD / CD' media as their primary business, in their infinite wisdom and for the sake of quality, specially since their Prices are so low, only "Rs. 799 = US $18"

, decided that dual layered 50GB BDs would just be a total waste. After all, 25GB single layered BDs are more than enough for presenting, three of their most prized, 'catalog' titles, in glorious FULL HD on your shiny new projector and 120" screen.

Ofcourse when you try to fit a 159 min. movie in 19GB, it does not leave you room to put more than a '448kbps DD 5.1' audio track. But don't fret, after all you still have the awesome sounding '192 kbps DD 2.0' track to enjoy on your shining new HD Audio Receiver.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gggargg

19 GB. Holy crap. What is MB going to do to the 30 GB saved? Seems to be as if MB is creating a platform to cram 3 movies in 1 disc...Nonsense (if its true).

I think we can safely start the countdown for this to happen.

gggargg · 03-14-2010, 05:55 AM

Yea if it is true...then its ridiculous. MB is making a mockery of the whole concept of Blu-Ray. Now I would love to hear from all those members here, who wanted that the producers & content providers be given an opportunity to be a part of this forum. What are they going to say about this pristine HQ Audio & Video & 14 GB of Blu-Ray content. I think all the Hollywood Studios should take inspiration from MB & start Cost Cutting measures. Because as someone commented in Fashion Blu-Ray thread about the quality as great, so if lengthy Bollywood movies can be presented in HQ in 14.5 GB, then DVD9 would be enough for Holly studios to present their material in pristine HQ quality. So they should altogether stop churning out Blu-Rays!

bludhound · 03-14-2010, 05:57 AM

I don't even trust MB blank media. I knew I had no reason to believe MB would release a quality product. I guess I'll buy the DVD of Rann instead.

zoran · 03-14-2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bludhound

I don't even trust MB blank media. I knew I had no reason to believe MB would release a quality product. I guess I'll buy the DVD of Rann instead.

did u get my pm........

FreakMan09 · 03-14-2010, 07:01 AM

they should get in trouble if those specs are correct because it states on the cover art of all their titles that there is DTS HD master audio and english subtitles. and you can tell by the screenshots that the aspect ratio is not 1:85:1.

ALPH@b3T · 03-14-2010, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreakMan09

they should get in trouble if those specs are correct because it states on the cover art of all their titles that there is DTS HD master audio and english subtitles.

Even bollywood-bluray has this specs :

Audio Format: 5.1 Dolby Truehd , Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround

Bluffy · 03-14-2010, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay0864

I sincerely hope you are joking. It's not 1st of April yet, is it?

PS: 'Race' has a running time of 159 minutes.

I have all the three BDs. And it's not a joke...

Bluffy · 03-14-2010, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALPH@b3T

Even bollywood-bluray has this specs :

Audio Format: 5.1 Dolby Truehd , Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround

Even the BD cover says Audio as DTS-HD, along with English Subtitles.
But they are not here...

divyansh · 03-14-2010, 04:34 PM

HEY guyz i will like to tell you that RACE the movie itself didnt had a DTS sound track it just had a DOLBY soundtrack so i dont think dts hd was possible bt they could have used dolby true hd or something bt they shold have worked on picture.......they are the manufacturers of media itself so they should have used dual layer bd........bt they fit the movie in 19gb.......+ 800rs price tag.....its not gonna work...........

varun · 03-14-2010, 06:56 PM

whatever we say guys and yes i know we are technically right but if you ask to a shop keeper then he/she will tell you that people have blind faith that MB will give them best quality in low price though it is not but all customers are not like us...... they just want dvd or blue ray.... they even dont know that DD and DTS are different.....

so whatever we say this is a business and its all about making profit and cost cutting and that is what MB is doing.......

i hope anybody from MB is reading this......!!!!!!!!

sanjay0864 · 03-14-2010, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by divyansh

HEY guyz i will like to tell you that RACE the movie itself didnt had a DTS sound track it just had a DOLBY soundtrack so i dont think dts hd was possible bt they could have used dolby true hd or something bt they shold have worked on picture

The codec used for the theatrical release has nothing to do with the codecs chosen to be on the BD. For the purpose of the BD, they are supposed to use the original lossless audio master which was used to encode for the theatrical release. Thus for the BD they can enoced the audio in LPCM, DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD. Bottom line is, that whether the film was encoded in DTS or not for the theatrical release, has no bearing on the codec used for the BD release.

sanjay0864 · 03-14-2010, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varun

whatever we say guys and yes i know we are technically right but if you ask to a shop keeper then he/she will tell you that people have blind faith that MB will give them best quality in low price though it is not but all customers are not like us...... they just want dvd or blue ray.... they even dont know that DD and DTS are different.....

so whatever we say this is a business and its all about making profit and cost cutting and that is what MB is doing.......

i hope anybody from MB is reading this......!!!!!!!!

I think you, along with MoserBaer, are overlooking a very important fact. That, the Blu-Ray customer is not the typical customer that MoserBaer is used to dealing with. Specially not at the Rs 799/- price point. The customer that you are referring to, is used to spending no more than Rs. 40 - Rs. 150. Thus, unless MoserBaer is willing to sell their BDs at a maximum price point close to around Rs. 200, they might as well forget this business.

gggargg · 03-15-2010, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varun

whatever we say guys and yes i know we are technically right but if you ask to a shop keeper then he/she will tell you that people have blind faith that MB will give them best quality in low price though it is not but all customers are not like us...... they just want dvd or blue ray.... they even dont know that DD and DTS are different.....

so whatever we say this is a business and its all about making profit and cost cutting and that is what MB is doing.......

i hope anybody from MB is reading this......!!!!!!!!

Kindly tell us if the other companies & specially the Holly ones are not doing BUSINESS? Are they doing charity to customers? Everyone does business, implements cost cutting measures, but not after keeping the quality of their product at stake. Hopeless.

divyansh · 03-15-2010, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay0864

The codec used for the theatrical release has nothing to do with the codecs chosen to be on the BD. For the purpose of the BD, they are supposed to use the original lossless audio master which was used to encode for the theatrical release. Thus for the BD they can enoced the audio in LPCM, DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD. Bottom line is, that whether the film was encoded in DTS or not for the theatrical release, has no bearing on the codec used for the BD release.

Thankx for sharing information sanjay.............btw in theratical releases what are the format used means its dts-hd or dolby digital uncompressed or what???what do they use.........???

bludhound · 03-15-2010, 05:57 AM

Moser Baer thinks that people are watching blu-rays on 19'' CRTs hooked up to a boombox. HDTVs are far less forgiving to an inferior product than SDTVs. They are charging 800 rupees for a 100 rupee product. As I said before, they can't even make quality blank media, do you think they can make a proper blu-ray? The bitrates on some of their releases are shameful. Perhaps they are practicing for potential 3 in 1 blu-rays, to see how much they can cram.

03-13-2010, 09:35 PM	#1
Bluffy Member Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:3	Race Blu-ray (MoserBaer) Here's the Blu Ray from MoserBaer. Race (2008) Click To Enlarge BD Size - 19.1 GB (BD-25) Video Codec - AVC Audio - 1. 448 kbps DD 5.1 2. 192 kbps DD 2.0 Language - Hindi Subtitles - None Last edited by Bluffy; 03-14-2010 at 09:09 AM.

03-14-2010, 07:01 AM	#10
FreakMan09 Banned Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:42	they should get in trouble if those specs are correct because it states on the cover art of all their titles that there is DTS HD master audio and english subtitles. and you can tell by the screenshots that the aspect ratio is not 1:85:1. Last edited by FreakMan09; 03-14-2010 at 07:09 AM.

03-14-2010, 04:34 PM	#14
divyansh Power Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2010 Location:India Blu-ray collection:59 Blu-ray reviews:1	moserbaer is crap HEY guyz i will like to tell you that RACE the movie itself didnt had a DTS sound track it just had a DOLBY soundtrack so i dont think dts hd was possible bt they could have used dolby true hd or something bt they shold have worked on picture.......they are the manufacturers of media itself so they should have used dual layer bd........bt they fit the movie in 19gb.......+ 800rs price tag.....its not gonna work...........

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03-13-2010, 10:11 PM	#2
sanjay0864 Special Member Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray collection:114 Blu-ray reviews:2	I sure as hell hope these screenshots are not a true reflection of the quality of the actual BD. For these, quite honestly are worse than a good quality DVD. The same goes for the screenshots of 'A Wednesday' and 'Fashion'. I suppose I should wait to see the actual BDs before passing final judgement. But, these screenshots surely do not look promising.

03-13-2010, 11:08 PM	#3
sheedoe Senior Member Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Brooklyn, New York Home Theater Gallery:28 Blu-ray collection:133 Blu-ray reviews:4	I, on the other hand, think the screen shots look quite good. Although it looks like they applied heavy DNR, making the skin tones look waxy. If there are no other issues like incorrect black levels that we've seen in many bollywood blu's, this may be a pretty decent transfer.

03-14-2010, 12:36 AM	#4
gggargg Junior Member Member since:Sep 2009	19 GB. Holy crap. What is MB going to do to the 30 GB saved? Seems to be as if MB is creating a platform to cram 3 movies in 1 disc...Nonsense (if its true).

03-14-2010, 05:55 AM	#7
gggargg Junior Member Member since:Sep 2009	Yea if it is true...then its ridiculous. MB is making a mockery of the whole concept of Blu-Ray. Now I would love to hear from all those members here, who wanted that the producers & content providers be given an opportunity to be a part of this forum. What are they going to say about this pristine HQ Audio & Video & 14 GB of Blu-Ray content. I think all the Hollywood Studios should take inspiration from MB & start Cost Cutting measures. Because as someone commented in Fashion Blu-Ray thread about the quality as great, so if lengthy Bollywood movies can be presented in HQ in 14.5 GB, then DVD9 would be enough for Holly studios to present their material in pristine HQ quality. So they should altogether stop churning out Blu-Rays!

03-14-2010, 05:57 AM	#8
bludhound Member Member since:Feb 2010 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:4	I don't even trust MB blank media. I knew I had no reason to believe MB would release a quality product. I guess I'll buy the DVD of Rann instead.

03-14-2010, 06:56 PM	#15
varun Member Member since:Oct 2009	whatever we say guys and yes i know we are technically right but if you ask to a shop keeper then he/she will tell you that people have blind faith that MB will give them best quality in low price though it is not but all customers are not like us...... they just want dvd or blue ray.... they even dont know that DD and DTS are different..... so whatever we say this is a business and its all about making profit and cost cutting and that is what MB is doing....... i hope anybody from MB is reading this......!!!!!!!!

03-15-2010, 05:57 AM	#20
bludhound Member Member since:Feb 2010 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:4	Moser Baer thinks that people are watching blu-rays on 19'' CRTs hooked up to a boombox. HDTVs are far less forgiving to an inferior product than SDTVs. They are charging 800 rupees for a 100 rupee product. As I said before, they can't even make quality blank media, do you think they can make a proper blu-ray? The bitrates on some of their releases are shameful. Perhaps they are practicing for potential 3 in 1 blu-rays, to see how much they can cram.

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