What happened to the 100GB Blu-rays?

[6ryph3n]

Lord of the Rings extended editions and complete tv seasons on a single disc would be very nice... I think there's definitely a market for 100gb movie BDs.

[WickyWoo]

I want to see them used for movies, that all BD movies could have the bitrate maxed out, lossless audio for numerous languages and all extra's would be 1080p on 1 disc!

That doesn't mean that would happen

You're still dealing with max bitrate, which is 48mbps combined (40 max for video, 20 for audio)

[quote]Why do you people and so many others keep insisting this would not be used for movies? Are you all completely unaware of long movies, movie serieses, t.v. shows, and loads of things released in box sets and whatever other packagings? I am hellbent on huge compilations and releases such as this. Why are some of you to the point of ademently denying this is logical?[/quot

100GB discs would be flippers, or they would have such low yields as to not be worth it.

DVD-18s have something like quadruple the failure rate at manufacture as DVD-9. We all know HD DVD combo discs are exponentially worse than that. If you start stacking layers of a low tolerance media like BR together what do you think is going to happen? There's a lot of reasons why TotalHD never made it to market, and one of them was they couldn't make them feasible to manufacture because all the savings were eaten by the coasters.

I personally doubt we'll ever see mass production of even writeable BD-100s, let alone 200s.

The yields will simply never be high enough to even think about mass production for a movie. I'm sure someone might do it for the novelty. If HD DVD actually manages to hang around long enough to make a TL-51 disc, they still have their bandwidth cap, the players it won't work on, and the coastering that will probably be higher than HD combos.

I think the lesson learned from DVD is that it's never a good idea to go beyond 2 layers. It's cheaper and easier in the end to just press another disc

Lord of the Rings extended editions and complete tv seasons on a single disc would be very nice... I think there's definitely a market for 100gb movie BDs.

Do a search. They could put a whole DVD season set on a BD-50, but they won't because of percieved value. People will not pay $59.99 for one disc, and pressing 6 DVDs is still cheaper at the studio's rates than pressing 1 BD-50 by a longshot.

[mystiksuicide]

Hold on a minute, why does HD DUD need 51g? They have said all along 30g was more than sufficient.

I guess Blu-Ray fans dubbing them "The Look and Sound of Compresion" must be getting to them. lol

[kwhiplash]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

That doesn't mean that would happen

Do a search. They could put a whole DVD season set on a BD-50, but they won't because of percieved value. People will not pay $59.99 for one disc, and pressing 6 DVDs is still cheaper at the studio's rates than pressing 1 BD-50 by a longshot.

I have to disagree with that. I don't think there is a single person out there who complained about paying more money for 3 DVDs for one season of their favorite show when they could have 12 VHS tapes taking up more shelf space for less money. The same thing would occur here if an entire season were on one disc. I don't think there are too many people out there who only consider a $60 season worth purchasing if its on more than one disc.

[whippersnapper]

[QUOTE=WickyWoo;349325]That doesn't mean that would happen

You're still dealing with max bitrate, which is 48mbps combined (40 max for video, 20 for audio)

Why do you people and so many others keep insisting this would not be used for movies? Are you all completely unaware of long movies, movie serieses, t.v. shows, and loads of things released in box sets and whatever other packagings? I am hellbent on huge compilations and releases such as this. Why are some of you to the point of ademently denying this is logical?[/quot

100GB discs would be flippers, or they would have such low yields as to not be worth it.

DVD-18s have something like quadruple the failure rate at manufacture as DVD-9. We all know HD DVD combo discs are exponentially worse than that. If you start stacking layers of a low tolerance media like BR together what do you think is going to happen? There's a lot of reasons why TotalHD never made it to market, and one of them was they couldn't make them feasible to manufacture because all the savings were eaten by the coasters.

I personally doubt we'll ever see mass production of even writeable BD-100s, let alone 200s.

The yields will simply never be high enough to even think about mass production for a movie. I'm sure someone might do it for the novelty. If HD DVD actually manages to hang around long enough to make a TL-51 disc, they still have their bandwidth cap, the players it won't work on, and the coastering that will probably be higher than HD combos.

I think the lesson learned from DVD is that it's never a good idea to go beyond 2 layers. It's cheaper and easier in the end to just press another disc



Do a search. They could put a whole DVD season set on a BD-50, but they won't because of percieved value. People will not pay $59.99 for one disc, and pressing 6 DVDs is still cheaper at the studio's rates than pressing 1 BD-50 by a longshot.

100GB discs would be flippers, or they would have such low yields as to not be worth it.

Is this a fact? Or simply conjecture?

Somebody had posted information on a number of existing Blu-ray videos where 48 - 49 GB of the discs are used. Coming out with QUALITY encodes of movies such as the individual Lord of the Ring movies, Lawrence of Arabia, or Bridge over the River Kwai would seem to be perfect candidates for use of the 100GB discs. And think of the comparisons the Blu-ray marketers could do between the 30GB max HD-DVD and the 100GB max Blu-ray disc. "Size" is something the public understands and something that can have a definite impact on their choices.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

We were told that they were developed and then we were never told anything more.

Can't anyone swap out the HD in a PS3 and put in a bigger one?

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The yields will simply never be high enough to even think about mass production for a movie. I'm sure someone might do it for the novelty.

I wonder if we will see BD100s for games, maybe big bulky RPGs with huge, richly textured worlds and many hours of lossless surround music, late in the PS3's lifetime. The economics are not as much of a problem for games as for movies since a much smaller percentage of the purchase price reflects the cost of the disc.

[bigdaddymars]

1.
the 51 gig hd dvd is not a threat to the blu-ray disc - their additional disc space doesn't matter - since they still can't have bitrates like blu-ray

2.
most of the older hd dvd players(especially the wal mart junk) won't be able to play the 51 gig discs.
--------------> refund time at wal mart's

[m_tyson]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Maxwell and TDK have made separate announces for 200GB discs in 2009. So, I would expect 100GB in 2008 or early 2009. Like some of the other said, this is for storage...not for studio movies.

how about for storing, um, movies?

[NutsAboutPS3]

If BD100s are never going to be practical, then IMO it's a shame, because longer movies like LOTR extended could definitely benefit from it. By my calculations, if you have a 3.5 hr movie with 30Mbps video and multiple lossless audio tracks as is becoming common these days with all the different language options on our discs here in the UK, then it could easily take 80GB. If we can't have 100GB discs, I hope they split LOTR EE onto 2 x BD50s rather than giving us bit-starved encodes.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

Each LOTR's extended version all lossless would work nicely on a 100gb.

Exactly. But I am hoping we see Transformers on BD100 after the Paramount contract is over. That kind of space for data would make Cars look sickly in comparison.

Heck, I'd settle for DB75 if that was all we could get. That is still 50% more killer space than DB50.

[beavis667]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

TL51 COULD be the best thing to happen for Blu-ray, if it's indeed incompatible, the HD-DVD users will be at a point where they'd have ask themselves do they want to buy another HD-DVD player just to watch TL51 discs, or will the standard change again, to increase the max bitrate... if they choose against buying another HD-DVD player it could spell the death of HD-DVD, they might even move to BD or get a combo player, either way more sales for BD. that said I support TL51

Don't underestimate HD-DVD supporters' disdain for Sony. They would all buy new players rather than support Sony. There is no reasonable explaination to pick HD-DVD over BD unless you have an agenda against Sony.

[CptGreedle]

I heard it is being tweaked and should be available in early 2008.
Besides, I doubt we will see movies on the format any time soon if at all, it will likely be used for storage only.
(Although it would rock to get LotR EE on a 100GB BD)

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

If BD100s are never going to be practical, then IMO it's a shame, because longer movies like LOTR extended could definitely benefit from it. By my calculations, if you have a 3.5 hr movie with 30Mbps video and multiple lossless audio tracks as is becoming common these days with all the different language options on our discs here in the UK, then it could easily take 80GB. If we can't have 100GB discs, I hope they split LOTR EE onto 2 x BD50s rather than giving us bit-starved encodes.

I could be wrong, but I think it's possible to fit the EE movies onto a single BD50 with lossless audio, but the extras would probably need a second disc.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

Why do you people and so many others keep insisting this would not be used for movies? Are you all completely unaware of long movies, movie serieses, t.v. shows, and loads of things released in box sets and whatever other packagings? I am hellbent on huge compilations and releases such as this. Why are some of you to the point of ademently denying this is logical?

Because recordables (R/RE) and replicated discs are made by completely different processes.

It's not a matter of whether there would be a use for it. It's whether it can be made and at a commercially acceptable yield.

Before a 100GB movie disc is possible, someone must create a 100GB replication line. At this point, 50GB is just starting to get traction outside DADC and Panasonic.

Gary

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by beavis667

Don't underestimate HD-DVD supporters' disdain for Sony. They would all buy new players rather than support Sony. There is no reasonable explaination to pick HD-DVD over BD unless you have an agenda against Sony.

Most people that pick HD DVD pick it because they want to pay less. Nobody really wants HD DVD. People either want to save money or get Blu-ray.

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

If BD100s are never going to be practical, then IMO it's a shame, because longer movies like LOTR extended could definitely benefit from it. By my calculations, if you have a 3.5 hr movie with 30Mbps video and multiple lossless audio tracks as is becoming common these days with all the different language options on our discs here in the UK, then it could easily take 80GB. If we can't have 100GB discs, I hope they split LOTR EE onto 2 x BD50s rather than giving us bit-starved encodes.

If we can't have 100GB discs, I hope they split LOTR EE onto 2 x BD50s rather than giving us bit-starved encodes.

Hear! Hear! It's the audio & visual quality that are most critical. Besides, for the long movies most folks will need a break.

But I really hope the Blu-ray industry is working on developing a viable 100GB replication disc capability. And if they are they don't have to publicize it. It would be a pleasure to have it "sprung" on the HD-DVD crowd, Toshiba and Microsoft at an opportune time.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by beavis667

Don't underestimate HD-DVD supporters' disdain for Sony. They would all buy new players rather than support Sony.

True, but I wonder how many of those dweebs have CD players? If they do, they're supporting Sony (co-inventos of CD with Phillips)!

[richteer]

Originally Posted by 6ryph3n

Lord of the Rings extended editions and complete tv seasons on a single disc would be very nice... I think there's definitely a market for 100gb movie BDs.

I'm not too excited about fitting whole TV seaons on one BD100, but the thought of each LOTR EE movie being on its own BD100 with a suitably high bitrate and lossless audio would be awesome!

[richteer]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

If we can't have 100GB discs, I hope they split LOTR EE onto 2 x BD50s rather than giving us bit-starved encodes.

Not sure I agree with that. I'd like to see what LOTR EE looks like on a single BD50 before making that call. Having to switch the DVD in the middle of each movie is midly irritating, so I'd like to avoid that if the PQ/AQ hit isn't too substantial...