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Terminator 2: Judgment Day (2008 Japanese Release)


Terminator 2: Judgment Day (2008 Release)


Terminator 2: Judgement Day (2009 'Skynet Edition' Release)


BDInfo Reports:

2008 Release:
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Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00001.MPLS                                                      VC-1    2:33:25 28,298,729,472  28,863,536,716  24.59   18.90   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2125Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     TERMINATOR_2_V_DIRECTOR
Disc Size:      28,863,536,716 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Size:                   28,298,729,472 bytes
Length:                 2:33:25 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          24.59 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              18901 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2125 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2125 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Audio                    Spanish         2046 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           16.684 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          16.120 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00129.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:33:25.237     28,298,729,472  24,594          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:05:35.209     18,566 kbps     32,997 kbps     00:04:54.043    24,627 kbps     00:00:35.243    23,987 kbps     00:00:33.283    97,463 bytes    383,463 bytes   00:00:26.317    
2               0:05:35.209     0:10:56.197     19,023 kbps     33,736 kbps     00:12:30.374    26,476 kbps     00:06:02.487    23,343 kbps     00:12:23.075    99,178 bytes    430,529 bytes   00:12:30.499    
3               0:16:31.407     0:14:48.470     19,119 kbps     34,364 kbps     00:22:16.835    23,248 kbps     00:22:16.918    21,191 kbps     00:28:55.275    99,676 bytes    385,178 bytes   00:19:06.103    
4               0:31:19.878     0:07:32.785     19,120 kbps     29,061 kbps     00:34:30.485    23,523 kbps     00:34:44.999    21,169 kbps     00:31:25.383    99,683 bytes    281,859 bytes   00:34:30.693    
5               0:38:52.663     0:10:55.446     18,993 kbps     30,021 kbps     00:42:31.048    22,585 kbps     00:42:54.488    21,037 kbps     00:42:08.359    99,021 bytes    354,858 bytes   00:48:09.177    
6               0:49:48.110     0:16:36.203     19,040 kbps     33,122 kbps     01:01:54.919    22,965 kbps     00:58:18.369    21,020 kbps     01:03:47.281    99,263 bytes    512,988 bytes   01:01:55.044    
7               1:06:24.313     0:22:35.437     18,960 kbps     30,944 kbps     01:11:09.598    23,143 kbps     01:11:09.598    20,992 kbps     01:22:28.109    98,850 bytes    379,428 bytes   01:26:53.875    
8               1:28:59.751     0:06:17.001     19,230 kbps     32,436 kbps     01:31:44.373    24,517 kbps     01:31:37.283    23,089 kbps     01:31:35.615    100,254 bytes   554,585 bytes   01:30:44.397    
9               1:35:16.752     0:09:07.046     19,131 kbps     30,000 kbps     01:43:29.745    22,621 kbps     01:40:53.672    20,939 kbps     01:42:29.685    99,739 bytes    279,478 bytes   01:36:05.342    
10              1:44:23.799     0:15:19.793     19,145 kbps     31,982 kbps     01:57:59.614    22,708 kbps     01:57:45.141    21,322 kbps     01:46:53.532    99,811 bytes    334,699 bytes   01:57:59.697    
11              1:59:43.593     0:09:00.122     19,115 kbps     31,984 kbps     02:06:13.774    22,383 kbps     02:06:03.305    21,177 kbps     02:00:28.262    99,659 bytes    311,054 bytes   02:00:28.387    
12              2:08:43.716     0:24:41.521     18,142 kbps     33,437 kbps     02:27:52.613    26,683 kbps     02:30:07.123    25,462 kbps     02:30:05.621    94,914 bytes    361,935 bytes   02:31:57.817    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00129.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    9205.113                18,902                  21,749,088,566  118,334,688     
00129.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           9205.113                2,125                   2,445,039,556   14,720,014      
00129.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x85            DTS-HD HR       spa (Spanish)           9205.113                2,046                   2,354,242,176   13,807,872      
00129.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            9205.113                16                      18,548,481      107,323         
00129.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             nld (Dutch)             9205.113                17                      19,198,090      110,909


2009 Release: (Shortened due to length)
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Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00019.MPLS                                                      VC-1    2:36:08 37,859,960,832  48,428,503,834  32.33   16.45   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4046Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     T2_FEATURES
Disc Size:      48,428,503,834 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00019.MPLS
Size:                   37,859,960,832 bytes
Length:                 2:36:08 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          32.33 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              16453 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
VC-1 Video              1150 kbps           480p / 23.976 fps / 4:3 / Advanced Profile 2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4046 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1-ES / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Audio                    Italian         3840 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3840 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Audio                    Spanish         3840 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3840 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       Portuguese      768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
DTS Express                     English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Express                     English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / 24-bit


2008 Japanese Release:
[Show spoiler]
Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00001.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:33:24 39,454,887,936  48,977,629,478  34.29   21.94   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3595Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     GNXF_101201
Disc Size:      48,977,629,478 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Size:                   39,454,887,936 bytes
Length:                 2:33:24 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          34.29 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        21939 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         3595 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3595 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1-EX / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio              Japanese        2239 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2239 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1-EX / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         256 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Japanese        192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         17.039 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        13.482 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        0.288 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        48.091 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        44.020 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00001.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:33:24.278     39,454,887,936  34,293          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:03:35.381     19,968 kbps     37,146 kbps     00:01:59.828    29,301 kbps     00:01:59.786    27,447 kbps     00:02:25.061    104,082 bytes   344,126 bytes   00:00:45.336    
2               0:03:35.381     0:01:58.535     23,833 kbps     31,808 kbps     00:05:20.778    30,614 kbps     00:05:17.734    29,578 kbps     00:05:13.104    124,255 bytes   332,338 bytes   00:05:33.916    
3               0:05:33.916     0:04:56.713     31,757 kbps     43,029 kbps     00:06:07.033    37,477 kbps     00:07:11.639    35,067 kbps     00:10:11.444    165,564 bytes   487,971 bytes   00:07:30.908    
4               0:10:30.629     0:01:57.951     19,673 kbps     33,076 kbps     00:12:01.429    29,000 kbps     00:11:59.385    27,849 kbps     00:11:52.878    102,567 bytes   413,942 bytes   00:12:28.581    
5               0:12:28.581     0:04:00.406     21,597 kbps     42,876 kbps     00:12:31.000    36,632 kbps     00:13:37.691    30,574 kbps     00:13:33.813    112,596 bytes   484,290 bytes   00:12:31.500    
6               0:16:28.987     0:02:36.281     20,142 kbps     35,007 kbps     00:17:40.017    29,121 kbps     00:17:38.348    26,257 kbps     00:17:36.346    105,014 bytes   532,862 bytes   00:19:04.184    
7               0:19:05.269     0:03:21.034     20,259 kbps     52,718 kbps     00:22:08.910    41,418 kbps     00:21:43.802    37,451 kbps     00:21:38.797    105,620 bytes   633,948 bytes   00:22:08.952    
8               0:22:26.303     0:06:23.966     22,724 kbps     38,465 kbps     00:28:44.097    37,063 kbps     00:28:44.097    32,394 kbps     00:28:40.260    118,473 bytes   628,569 bytes   00:24:09.948    
9               0:28:50.270     0:06:17.043     21,657 kbps     51,592 kbps     00:30:21.027    33,809 kbps     00:30:17.357    28,273 kbps     00:30:12.310    112,908 bytes   454,718 bytes   00:30:21.528    
10              0:35:07.313     0:03:40.094     23,293 kbps     38,366 kbps     00:35:24.455    30,721 kbps     00:35:20.827    29,834 kbps     00:35:19.033    121,440 bytes   362,936 bytes   00:37:59.527    
11              0:38:47.408     0:05:55.688     20,431 kbps     41,588 kbps     00:44:21.909    31,300 kbps     00:40:50.406    28,405 kbps     00:44:14.109    106,518 bytes   527,629 bytes   00:44:21.950    
12              0:44:43.097     0:05:01.926     17,392 kbps     25,815 kbps     00:44:48.602    22,942 kbps     00:44:44.973    21,055 kbps     00:44:43.097    90,675 bytes    310,458 bytes   00:45:04.660    
13              0:49:45.023     0:04:56.045     18,690 kbps     24,846 kbps     00:50:06.169    23,243 kbps     00:50:02.165    22,288 kbps     00:49:57.411    97,443 bytes    316,873 bytes   00:49:59.955    
14              0:54:41.069     0:03:30.001     19,355 kbps     26,278 kbps     00:56:34.849    23,887 kbps     00:56:32.055    23,448 kbps     00:56:27.133    100,910 bytes   328,150 bytes   00:57:02.085    
15              0:58:11.070     0:03:37.383     21,792 kbps     32,808 kbps     01:00:05.518    28,078 kbps     01:00:02.473    25,882 kbps     00:59:59.762    113,616 bytes   417,243 bytes   01:01:48.454    
16              1:01:48.454     0:04:33.231     31,756 kbps     47,607 kbps     01:05:23.836    35,471 kbps     01:05:19.999    34,262 kbps     01:03:49.659    165,561 bytes   501,616 bytes   01:02:05.847    
17              1:06:21.685     0:03:39.052     20,050 kbps     27,920 kbps     01:06:21.936    23,133 kbps     01:08:16.175    22,551 kbps     01:08:15.132    104,530 bytes   304,607 bytes   01:06:40.621    
18              1:10:00.738     0:03:26.247     20,535 kbps     34,394 kbps     01:11:05.844    25,566 kbps     01:10:48.744    24,401 kbps     01:10:56.877    107,060 bytes   477,743 bytes   01:10:55.042    
19              1:13:26.985     0:05:18.609     17,763 kbps     31,852 kbps     01:16:03.016    27,900 kbps     01:16:01.932    24,579 kbps     01:15:57.844    92,607 bytes    504,803 bytes   01:13:27.277    
20              1:18:45.595     0:02:20.515     21,573 kbps     30,593 kbps     01:18:45.595    27,529 kbps     01:20:19.397    25,890 kbps     01:20:19.272    112,471 bytes   383,171 bytes   01:18:55.522    
21              1:21:06.111     0:02:29.566     18,847 kbps     24,547 kbps     01:22:33.865    23,360 kbps     01:22:32.572    21,607 kbps     01:22:32.572    98,261 bytes    367,996 bytes   01:21:21.209    
22              1:23:35.677     0:02:46.541     20,175 kbps     27,450 kbps     01:25:41.094    25,191 kbps     01:25:41.094    24,475 kbps     01:25:41.094    105,184 bytes   383,373 bytes   01:23:41.641    
23              1:26:22.218     0:04:20.260     17,762 kbps     23,374 kbps     01:28:46.779    21,557 kbps     01:28:36.394    21,247 kbps     01:28:30.471    92,601 bytes    797,559 bytes   01:30:42.478    
24              1:30:42.478     0:04:30.353     22,872 kbps     46,816 kbps     01:30:53.573    39,363 kbps     01:30:50.236    35,300 kbps     01:30:45.231    119,244 bytes   677,410 bytes   01:30:43.396    
25              1:35:12.831     0:06:19.337     21,413 kbps     32,404 kbps     01:37:03.984    26,719 kbps     01:39:08.859    25,906 kbps     01:39:08.734    111,636 bytes   346,575 bytes   01:35:58.169    
26              1:41:32.169     0:02:49.043     20,112 kbps     26,507 kbps     01:43:51.224    22,539 kbps     01:43:50.307    22,216 kbps     01:43:50.307    104,857 bytes   314,928 bytes   01:42:08.497    
27              1:44:21.213     0:04:41.280     22,795 kbps     35,829 kbps     01:44:44.569    30,500 kbps     01:44:42.901    29,018 kbps     01:44:36.853    118,843 bytes   450,011 bytes   01:44:37.020    
28              1:49:02.494     0:02:58.553     22,467 kbps     38,059 kbps     01:49:53.586    30,479 kbps     01:49:49.958    26,057 kbps     01:49:51.501    117,135 bytes   346,666 bytes   01:50:40.925    
29              1:52:01.047     0:02:21.891     23,046 kbps     34,693 kbps     01:53:07.697    28,947 kbps     01:52:49.304    27,993 kbps     01:52:48.011    120,151 bytes   354,244 bytes   01:53:26.758    
30              1:54:22.939     0:03:52.148     24,367 kbps     43,895 kbps     01:57:46.601    36,244 kbps     01:56:06.000    33,191 kbps     01:56:00.662    127,039 bytes   414,573 bytes   01:56:09.504    
31              1:58:15.087     0:03:51.606     22,010 kbps     31,733 kbps     02:01:31.492    27,722 kbps     02:01:28.823    26,237 kbps     02:01:28.823    114,750 bytes   330,826 bytes   02:01:31.534    
32              2:02:06.694     0:02:38.992     23,099 kbps     33,931 kbps     02:03:00.039    26,071 kbps     02:04:08.774    25,279 kbps     02:04:07.148    120,429 bytes   329,872 bytes   02:03:33.197    
33              2:04:45.686     0:04:04.786     21,196 kbps     30,888 kbps     02:08:01.006    28,087 kbps     02:07:57.044    26,025 kbps     02:07:52.915    110,508 bytes   301,078 bytes   02:07:58.003    
34              2:08:50.472     0:03:29.292     22,034 kbps     29,926 kbps     02:12:11.006    27,114 kbps     02:12:08.962    25,837 kbps     02:12:05.584    114,875 bytes   334,940 bytes   02:10:00.584    
35              2:12:19.764     0:02:22.225     24,459 kbps     30,627 kbps     02:12:20.140    28,304 kbps     02:14:18.842    27,339 kbps     02:13:56.820    127,520 bytes   338,354 bytes   02:12:20.682    
36              2:14:41.990     0:02:31.568     24,074 kbps     39,842 kbps     02:15:40.715    31,010 kbps     02:15:39.172    27,264 kbps     02:15:39.172    125,511 bytes   361,961 bytes   02:15:41.675    
37              2:17:13.558     0:03:08.271     25,039 kbps     44,838 kbps     02:19:53.718    40,127 kbps     02:19:53.218    32,708 kbps     02:19:48.463    130,540 bytes   379,237 bytes   02:19:57.222    
38              2:20:21.829     0:03:43.890     31,669 kbps     44,128 kbps     02:23:02.824    37,435 kbps     02:22:29.666    34,917 kbps     02:22:26.162    165,109 bytes   439,971 bytes   02:22:20.573    
39              2:24:05.720     0:04:33.648     18,705 kbps     54,511 kbps     02:27:51.279    31,614 kbps     02:27:47.692    26,470 kbps     02:27:42.770    97,521 bytes    484,588 bytes   02:27:51.737    
40              2:28:39.368     0:04:43.908     18,682 kbps     35,465 kbps     02:31:31.290    33,301 kbps     02:30:50.791    32,019 kbps     02:30:50.291    97,401 bytes    519,132 bytes   02:31:32.041    
41              2:33:23.277     0:00:01.001     1,226 kbps      0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    6,671 bytes     8,847 bytes     02:33:24.028    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00001.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     9204.153                21,939                  25,241,418,104  137,310,311     
00001.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          eng (English)           9204.153                4,235                   4,872,133,734   34,169,709      
00001.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           9204.153                256                     294,538,240     1,725,810       
00001.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x83            TrueHD          jpn (Japanese)          9204.153                2,879                   3,312,444,554   26,468,592      
00001.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           9204.153                192                     220,903,680     1,438,175       
00001.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           9204.153                192                     220,903,680     1,438,175       
00001.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            AC3             jpn (Japanese)          9204.153                192                     220,903,680     1,438,175       
00001.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          9204.153                13                      15,511,856      92,195          
00001.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           9204.153                17                      19,604,207      115,959         
00001.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          9204.153                0                       331,408         2,000           
00001.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          9204.153                48                      55,330,933      321,013         
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:14 AM   #2
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To me the 2008 release looks better, the 2009 release looks like it has been DNR'ed.
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Yeah the Skynet Edition is known to have DNR, but who would have thought it would be that bad eh? I'm not really complaining mind you, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it, or throw it away.. just an interesting comparison.
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Hey Kai, I'd like to see a few screens, if you don't mind. Specifically timecodes: 1:44, 2:09, 2:37, 3:41, 6:11, 7:53, 14:57 & 38:38 .

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I'll see what I can do.

*ImageHost seems to be down at the moment... frak!

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The DNR is definitely there. To me though it doesn't look terribly offensive. It is smoothing some of the very, very fine detail out in that shot but unlike many other DNR messes skin pores and hair strands are still visible and look natural. Arnold's skin also doesn't really take on any more of a waxed look than it already had to begin with.

I think it's a bit of a trade off between a a little DNR and all the versions/extra content the Skynet Edition has.
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Ok I have taken shots at the requested time codes. They may not be the exact frame you are looking for, as its easier to take shots when shots end or start, so they might be a few frames out, but each comparison shot is a direct copy of the frame.

Will upload when host returns. What ever happened to reliable hosts? lol
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Hey Kai, I'd like to see a few screens, if you don't mind. Specifically timecodes: 1:44, 2:09, 2:37, 3:41, 6:11, 7:53, 14:57 & 38:38 .

Cheers!
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http://www.mediafire.com/?jmb7f7a5atf13uc
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Old 09-18-2010, 12:53 AM   #9
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Thanks Kai, I do see some banding in the screenshots most noticably on 1:44 & 2:09 and on 6:11 check out the caution sticker on the back of the truck which looks decidedly more mushy on the skynet version.

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Meh, I'm usually a stickler for DNR, but overall I find this to be one of the less obtrusive titles. Yes, it's definitely there but I don't think it's killed the film-like look of the movie and I don't see instances where much detail has been removed (the caution sign has some blurring, but at the same time fine detail like the hairs on Linda Hamilton's chin are still there and well resolved ).

I actually find that the constant lines up the top of the frame are more distracting. They are often found on older transfers and they just always seem to stick out. On the Skynet Edition they aren't present.

KaiGusto, what version of the film is on the original BD? I seem to recall it being the theatrical cut. If it is that's the main thing for me as I find the extended edition to be far superior.

I've seen the Skynet Edition projected on a 100" screen from four metres and although pausing it and looking closely will enable you to see the DNR, in reality when it's in motion it really is quite hard to detect. In fact, in this case if anything it probably had a bit of a look of softness but it definitely didn't look like everyone was a waxwork figure. Having looked at films like Dark City and the Star Trek film series on the same screen I can definitely say it didn't stand out, as a matter of fact it wasn't overly perceptible at all.
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KaiGusto, what version of the film is on the original BD? I seem to recall it being the theatrical cut. If it is that's the main thing for me as I find the extended edition to be far superior.
Its the Directors Cut. The 'smiling' scene was only present on that version.
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The DNR is definitely there. To me though it doesn't look terribly offensive. It is smoothing some of the very, very fine detail out in that shot but unlike many other DNR messes skin pores and hair strands are still visible and look natural. Arnold's skin also doesn't really take on any more of a waxed look than it already had to begin with.

I think it's a bit of a trade off between a a little DNR and all the versions/extra content the Skynet Edition has.
The original release also had digital noise present (not just grain) from memory and had no lossless audio.
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The original release also had digital noise present (not just grain) from memory and had no lossless audio.
DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=15959)
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Whops, I must be mistaking the us release.
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Yeah the Skynet Edition is known to have DNR, but who would have thought it would be that bad eh? I'm not really complaining mind you, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it, or throw it away.. just an interesting comparison.
Yeah, and the us release has even more dnr . One thing worth noting is the difference in cropping in your photos, is that source related? or have you don it on accident. In either case as I traded my tin case I think I may pick up the original release know that I know it has lossless audio.
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I don't see any cropping, I do see that the 08 release is slightly squashed. Images were captured in MPC Home Cinema, where it captures the entire frame.

Aspect Ratio for 08 comes in at: 2.3617283950617283950617283950617 when removing all black framing.
Aspect Ratio for 09: 2.3538083538083538083538083538084

Those are my measurements lol

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I don't see any cropping, I do see that the 08 release is slightly squashed. Images were captured in MPC Home Cinema, where it captures the entire frame.

Aspect Ratio for 08 comes in at: 2.3617283950617283950617283950617 when removing all black framing.
Aspect Ratio for 09: 2.3538083538083538083538083538084

Those are my measurements lol
Croppin is the wrong word, the skynet version looks vertically streched. Maybe it's my pc doing it.
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Nah its not your PC, its on the print. Either the Skynet is stretched, or the 08 release is squashed.
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Wow, I'd heard that the Skynet Edition was an improvement. How terribly wrong people were. I much prefer the original.
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No, the original UK/French disc and Japanese disc were always known to have the best picture quality. That is if you followed all the multi page threads every time a new disc came out.
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