Wait Until U Look Like A Fool When 4.28 YB Discs Come [POLL]

[Om3gaFlare]

Why do you think they come out with a ODD with a blue lazer? To make more money. Why not make a violet lazer, ultra-voilet lazer, etc. What will be the wavelength of the drive? They'll naturally start out with the lowest freq. blues first (AKA BDx1 @ ###.## MB/s). And suck up as much cash as possible. 50GB Discs. Just wait until you look like a fool when BDs are replaced by VDs or InfaredCDs or MicrowaveCDs. A feeling that all of us DL DVDRW buyers will soon experience. All of those jewel cases...CD/DVD Holders...DVD Players... A fool am I to think that a newer , more expensive technology would not come this soon.

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[phloyd]

I think that BD will support the current HD level of TV.

We would need a new need in order to need more capacity.

That said, with repect to "current" machines that can handle 2 layer, the 4 layer and maybe 8 layer discs will drive one to get a new machine in ~ 3 years at my guess.

Personally, I mainly want the BD-ROM capable player so that I can watch pre-recorded movies - though I will also want to be able to record on at least dual layer to archive my old DVHS tapes to disc. I think that 4 layer will be not cost effective for a long time! Look at dual layer DVD - it is beyond a joke at the current pricing.

Cheers!
DAve.

[Rob]

Sony has said that it will make 100GB Blu-Ray discs available from 2007, with 8 layer 200GB in development. My guess is that this will be sufficient until at least 2015. If you consider that it took 3/4 years for dvd to really take off, Blu-Ray could therefore be at a similar position in 2010, if unlikely. The problem is, less than 5% of the population have a hi-def capable tv, (in the UK that is), which will severely hinder Blu-Ray's adoption. Also, the availability of hi-def tv programs to record. Limited at first to Sky's service come 2006.

Obviously Japan and USA are well ahead of us in terms of hi-def tv sales, and hi-def tv broadcasting.

[mooo]

The problem is, less than 5% of the population have a hi-def capable tv, (in the UK that is), which will severely hinder Blu-Ray's adoption

Once Europe starts sending in Hdtv a lot of people will get hdtvs
also, of those 5% maybe 95% will get blu-ray when it comes, unless
the price is skyhigh, also don't forget the projectors.

[X10A_Freedom]

Originally Posted by Om3gaFlare

Why do you think they come out with a ODD with a blue lazer? To make more money. Why not make a violet lazer, ultra-voilet lazer, etc. What will be the wavelength of the drive? They'll naturally start out with the lowest freq. blues first (AKA BDx1 @ ###.## MB/s). And suck up as much cash as possible. 50GB Discs. Just wait until you look like a fool when BDs are replaced by VDs or InfaredCDs or MicrowaveCDs. A feeling that all of us DL DVDRW buyers will soon experience. All of those jewel cases...CD/DVD Holders...DVD Players... A fool am I to think that a newer , more expensive technology would not come this soon.

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The smaller the size of things is, the harder it is to control. A disc spins at about 4200rpm+, so that's a LOT of calculations and precision. Of course technology is going ahead everyday, but without development, you would still be in front of your 300 MHz PentiumII hoping for the best. 50GB is already sufficient for most purposes, even HDTV...What do you want more??? I see that Blu-ray or HD-DVD is already sufficient for at least the next 15 years or so.. with layered technologies and all

[zombie]

Your poll options suck, IMO Blu-ray will become the standard for home video within the next 3-5 years. It'll remain the standard for at least 15-20 years after that. Look at it this way, a lot of people don't like the idea of upgrading their DVDs now. How many times do you think most people will buy the same movie? HD blows away DVD. HDTVs will remain the standard for a long long time so Blu-ray will last a long long time. How many people who are just now buying an HDTV are willing to buy into yet another TV standard in the next few years? I'm guessing, next to none.

[tron3]

You guys need to think "big picture". Since I presume some of you already have widescreen tv you should see this already.

Higher capacity BD offer litte to nothing for movies. More "value added content" and perhaps lower compression to improve picture quality.
And yes, maybe in 10 years the 9+ hour LOTR trilogy will fit on one disc. By then, some other movie may trump it. "Stone the heretic!"

Yes, the space is great for computers. But the value it will carry for players is minimla, unless they do something crazy wonderful with the space. However, that will be new post. ;-)

[Rob]

Hi-def movies offer up to 4 times the resolution of current dvd. That should offer a huge difference in PQ. I'm hoping Blu-Ray discs adopt the 1920 by 1080p format.

[Kome]

Wow, this dude omega is a moron. He said infared....that would be worse than the old fashion red laser due to the fact that it has a larger wavelength.
And Microwaves...sigh.

[Kome]

Originally Posted by tron3

You guys need to think "big picture". Since I presume some of you already have widescreen tv you should see this already.

Higher capacity BD offer litte to nothing for movies. More "value added content" and perhaps lower compression to improve picture quality.
And yes, maybe in 10 years the 9+ hour LOTR trilogy will fit on one disc. By then, some other movie may trump it. "Stone the heretic!"

Yes, the space is great for computers. But the value it will carry for players is minimla, unless they do something crazy wonderful with the space. However, that will be new post. ;-)

Erm...you're wrong. High capacity BD wil offer everything to movies. You will be able to see movies in HIGH DEF! Also the BD will be in your house soon due to the PS3. Since sony is backing the BD and it will be used in the PS3 it will be sucessful. Why do you think that the DVD is where it is today?

[X10A_Freedom]

Originally Posted by Kome

Erm...you're wrong. High capacity BD wil offer everything to movies. You will be able to see movies in HIGH DEF! Also the BD will be in your house soon due to the PS3. Since sony is backing the BD and it will be used in the PS3 it will be sucessful. Why do you think that the DVD is where it is today?

ca.um.... PS2 did NOT, I repeat, did NOT, 'single-handedly' make DVD popular.. Remember PS1?? you play with a CD-R..but I dont see people have VCDs like they do with DVD.. BTW, DVD movies are done by Hollywood, TOO, and NOT Sony ALONE. Sony's product and PS3, for that matter, are NOT guarantees!!! so, your last argument is flawed!!! It is OK to support a company, but dont force it to other people. It is the joint agreement of companies that made DVD popular. Only the market will tell if blu-ray or HD-DVD will shine.

HDTV are still somewhat high cost to the average consumer. It is something that is 'good to have', but not neccessary. DVD took 5 years, and it is still not standardized(ie there are still VHS on the market) YET. So, why would you think the market will 'jump' to blu-disc all of a sudden. I am sure not going to give up my DVD collection for that small difference in quality. It's really like a sound system, you either spend a lot on it (like in the 10000s) or you spend nothing on it, and I don't see high quality sound products becoming main stream of products for consumers, saved for some reasonably priced ones. The market will 'jump' to blu-disc ONLY IF the price is reasonable, but now that scenario is impossible, at least in the next couple of years. You have watched SDTV all your life, so I don't think that having HDTV is such an urgent matter, unless SDTV and HDTV are priced the same.

[Rob]

ca.um.... PS2 did NOT, I repeat, did NOT, 'single-handedly' make DVD popular.. Remember PS1?? you play with a CD-R..but I dont see people have VCDs like they do with DVD.. BTW, DVD movies are done by Hollywood, TOO, and NOT Sony ALONE. Sony's product and PS3, for that matter, are NOT guarantees!!! so, your last argument is flawed!!! It is OK to support a company, but dont force it to other people. It is the joint agreement of companies that made DVD popular. Only the market will tell if blu-ray or HD-DVD will shine.

HDTV are still somewhat high cost to the average consumer. It is something that is 'good to have', but not neccessary. DVD took 5 years, and it is still not standardized(ie there are still VHS on the market) YET. So, why would you think the market will 'jump' to blu-disc all of a sudden. I am sure not going to give up my DVD collection for that small difference in quality. It's really like a sound system, you either spend a lot on it (like in the 10000s) or you spend nothing on it, and I don't see high quality sound products becoming main stream of products for consumers, saved for some reasonably priced ones. The market will 'jump' to blu-disc ONLY IF the price is reasonable, but now that scenario is impossible, at least in the next couple of years. You have watched SDTV all your life, so I don't think that having HDTV is such an urgent matter, unless SDTV and HDTV are priced the same.

Surely cds were already established by the time the PS1 was released. I honestly don't remember the PS1 being compatible with VCD!? It certainly wasn't a format pushed by PS1.

While the PS2 didn't 'single handly' make the the dvd format popular, it certainly helped. There are now 75+ million PS2 players worldwide capable of dvd playback. I know numerous people who's first dvd player was the PS2. Some who's only dvd player is a PS2. I'm not sure how significant the PS2 was to sales in the West, yet in Japan the sale of dvd's rocketed after the release of the PS2. Oddly enough, sales of actual PS2 games were relatively muted.

While I agree that the PS3 having Blu-Ray playback doesn't guarentee success, I think it will be hugely influencial because of the strength of the Playstation brand. If people associate the PS3 brand with success, it may also follow that they will believe the Blu-Ray to be the most attractive brand. Also, if you have a PS3 playing Blu-Ray, why would you go to the expense of buying a seperate HD-DVD player? On top of that Sony has also recently bought up MGM and therefore has access to a massive back catalogue as well as it's own Sony studio.

I agree with in you relation to the speed of Blu-Ray adoption. I don't think the uptake will be as quick as dvd as it requires most people to buy a new tv, whereas with dvd all you need is a basic scart connection. Though perhaps when people see Sky's hi-def service come 2006 they may change their minds!?. As for hi-def sets, it's possible to pick up hi-def compatible 32" lcd sets for roughly £1,000-1,200 mark. Similar prices to a 32" crt set.

As Blu-Ray won't be out for 2 years, and probably not affordable to the mainstream til 2010, there's plenty of time for hi-def sets to come down in price, and improve in PQ and connections. When people need to replace their old sets they'll buy a hi-def set and most likely upgrade to Blu-Ray at the same time. Don't forget, Blu-Ray players will play all your old dvds/cds so there's no reason to get rid of them. Just buy new films on BR and only update your favourite dvds to BR.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Kome

Erm...you're wrong. High capacity BD wil offer everything to movies. You will be able to see movies in HIGH DEF!

Erm...I am NOT wrong. Movies in HD is implied. Look at my other posts. I know what I am talking about. Made the mistake of thinking everyone else did too.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by tron3

Higher capacity BD offer litte to nothing for movies. More "value added content" and perhaps lower compression to improve picture quality.

Picture quality will be improved mainly because resolution will be far higher onj Blu-Ray. Probably 1920 by 1080 compared to 840 by 480p. Or 4 times the number of pixels/resolution. Lower compression or not, (remember Blu-Ray pre-recorded discs will be 54GB- 5/6 times the capacity of dual layer 9.4GB dvd) that will account for a huge imrovement in PQ.

[kris_one]

hi everyone!

first post

a few comments about the viability for this new format/media; this technology is new to me and i am very excited to see where it takes HD viewing and recording. I DO think it will survive and dominate in the world market, not because it is backed by companies like Sony & Walt Disney Studios and Home Video. But because todays consumers need for bandwidth-cappacity-resolution. just look at the advancess in the home computing in the last few years. Lets not forget some of sony's less than steller performance on other deviations from the standard like SACD & MINI-Disc which did not totaly revolutionize the audio market with thier limited content, propriatary attutiudes, and relative moderate to high cost to the end user. although there are those of us who always buy in with hopes of greatness(like my LD before DVD, & MD before MP3 recordability or MP3 players for that matter) PS3 push or not we want what BD offers. slow the waggon down alittle I'm jumpin' on!

[thunderhawk]

Well, Blu-ray Technology will become obsolete when UHDTV will come actual...
UHDTV will require more research than HDTV...
And thats not for the next 10 years I hope...

About the PS3: It will bring Blu-ray into peoples home, just like the PS2 did.
As far as I know, there's no game-console that will support HD-DVD


Blu-ray will adopt the market in the USA in about three or four years, it depends, if the HD-DVD format looses fast, before it reaches the common consumer, then Blu-ray will be faster adapted than you think.

Europe is another story. The European people will probably buy a Blu-ray player soon, to play their movies. But they wont buy a recorder untill more television stations will adapt HDTV. About only 5% has a HDTV reciever... (as far as I know, there's only 1 station (1080p) supporting it)
Looking trough the (European) consumers eyes:
- First VHS
- Then CD
- Then DVD came
- Then the 16:9 format came
- Then HDTV
- Then Blu-ray...

I dont think they will be very happy to see another format in the next 5 years... (Dont forget that the 5 last points came in the past 10 years...)

Blu-ray as a PC format is something else. The demand for more capacity will increase with the comming of HD-pictures.
Blu-ray will be as popular for that as DVD is now.

[Rob]

It's been rumoured that the XBox 2 may use HD-DVD. Still, maybe they'll stick with dual layered dvd9's? Most XBox games use single layer dvds anyway. Perhaps dual layer will be enough for XBox 2? Stick in a high speed dvd player say 8 or 16 times so that transfer rate is high enough for next gen games.

As for tv formats, I can see 720p being very popular against 1080i initially. Perhaps the next stage is the move to all material being 1080p50!? UHDTV is being developed for public broadcast screens really. I can see 1080 being the standard for 20 years or so. I mean, do people want/need UHDTV's for anything other than large projectors? Might be overkill for a 32" screen in the lounge.

[thunderhawk]

Originally Posted by Rob

As for tv formats, I can see 720p being very popular against 1080i initially. Perhaps the next stage is the move to all material being 1080p50!? UHDTV is being developed for public broadcast screens really. I can see 1080 being the standard for 20 years or so. I mean, do people want/need UHDTV's for anything other than large projectors? Might be overkill for a 32" screen in the lounge.

Yeah, got the same opinion about that one...

DO THE PEOPLE REALLY NEED UHDTV?

[Welkie]

Heck I haven't even got HDTV yet, and I actually didn't even know it existed. Shame on me, I know, but atleast I didn't actually want one until now when I realize I can get better TV. Needs are fueled by wants.

[AV_Integrated]

Over the air HDTV was far behind the release of the original DVD movies. Direct video on discs into homes is a big way to drive demand for broadcast standards to rise and I believe that the DVD really was a push to making HDTV more prevalent in the USA.

Now, what does BD offer over DVD? How about MPEG4 codecs which potentially allow well over 4 times the video resolution of current DVD material. Put a 1080p movie up on a 1080p native display at the original movie frame rate with 7.1 (or more) sound and ZERO encoding artifacts... on a 60 inch + screen and you will have an idea of what BD offers to video and how it will push the broadcast industry to better the video standards.

My entire purpose for purchasing BD will be movies in HD, preferably at 1080p. I will wait if the first players don't offer 1080p support. But, if they do support 1080p I will likely try to be on the bleeding edge of owners of the product. Hook that up to a Sanyo VPL-10 projector (native 1080p) and a 12 foot screen and just enjoy.