Will WB re-release current Blu movies at higher bitrates? - Blu-ray Forum

UTVOL06 · 01-09-2008, 02:29 PM

Just wondering if you guys think Warner Bros will re-release current Blu-rays and HD-DVD movies at higher bit-rates since they have gone exclusive? well, atleast down the road?

I mean I know all new WB releases will have higher bit-rates for Blu-ray now on or atleast after May. But will they take time to re-encode previously released high-def movies and give us better PQ and more features?

I could also care less if WB sticks with VC-1 or moves to AVC as most debates/threads have shown that at high bitrates the PQ is virtually identical and is purely academic. At lower bitrates AVC holds better detail though.

I'd love to see Harry potter Movies at 30-40mb/s bitrates in VC-1 or AVC.

stockstar1138 · 01-09-2008, 02:30 PM

not for a long time.

they are going to try to get out new titles before redoing old ones.

jimmy242 · 01-09-2008, 02:31 PM

probaly not maybe in the future with like special edition or extended cuts

UTVOL06 · 01-09-2008, 02:34 PM

yeah probably will be a while, but do you think Batman begins, V for Vendetta, Matrix, etc. movies that are currently HD exclusive get a bitrate boost before they come to the Blu side?

Giyomu · 01-09-2008, 02:35 PM

before they re-release BD titles,

PLEASE RELEASE HD-DVD exclusive titles!!!!

give me BATMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

DealsR4theDevil · 01-09-2008, 02:37 PM

I soooooo want Batman Begins. Batman Begins and Serenity are the only to titles it brothers me HD DVD has. Casino also, but because its not that great of a transfer I am content with not having it.

rodgerse · 01-09-2008, 02:41 PM

And exactly what would be the most preferable bitrate anyways?.

Would ppl really only be happy with %100 uncoded, uncompressed?.Bd uses such a high-eeeficieny codec, there must be a point that he film would look perfect.To be honest, thought it did already, and any PQ issues would just be film grain.

UTVOL06 · 01-09-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rodgerse

What exactly is current bitrates anyway?, never known that info.

And exactly what would be the most preferable bitrate anyways?.Would ppl really only be happy with %100 uncoded, uncompressed?.Bd uses such a high-eeeficieny codec, there must be a point that he film would look perfect, like uncompressed.To be honest, thought it did already, and any Pq issues would just be film grain.

I'm not for certain but I believe most HD-DUD releases are encoded at sub 20mb/s.

HD-DUD is limited to no more than 30mb/s for video, but encoding a movie at 30mb/s for HD would probably leave it no room for audio or features...if it could even store a movie encoded at 30mb/s on a disc.

Blu-ray's max video bitrate is 40mb/s and still has room for uncompressed audio and features on a BD-50 disc. It can handle 48mb/s if you include the audio.

ckenisell · 01-09-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UTVOL06

yeah probably will be a while, but do you think Batman begins, V for Vendetta, Matrix, etc. movies that are currently HD exclusive get a bitrate boost before they come to the Blu side?

No. I doubt it.

Dragonraine · 01-09-2008, 03:35 PM

It would be cheaper for WB to release the same encode on bd, also faster as well. They already looked awesome on HD DVD ( i do own those movies) but id like to get BD versions..if only because I wouldnt have to flip the Matrix movies over to watch the special features.

jason_grumpy · 01-09-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rodgerse

And exactly what would be the most preferable bitrate anyways?.

Would ppl really only be happy with %100 uncoded, uncompressed?.Bd uses such a high-eeeficieny codec, there must be a point that he film would look perfect.To be honest, thought it did already, and any PQ issues would just be film grain.

Most preferable to me is about an average of 30mbps with occasonal spikes to 40 during high action scenes for video. The problems really begin when trying to go below 15mbps (there are many examples).

As far as codec wise, I prefer AVC. VC-1 for some reason looks a little 'off' to me. Don't get me wrong, high bitrate VC-1 is nice, but I don't think it compares to AVC for the tiniest details.

As far as audio, this isn't a problem. Blu has enough audio bandwidth set aside that all releases can have PCM tracks. I'd prefer TrueHD or DTSMA for space considerations if it means the average bit rate goes up.

richteer · 01-09-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UTVOL06

Just wondering if you guys think Warner Bros will re-release current Blu-rays and HD-DVD movies at higher bit-rates since they have gone exclusive? well, atleast down the road?

I mean I know all new WB releases will have higher bit-rates for Blu-ray now on or atleast after May. But will they take time to re-encode previously released high-def movies and give us better PQ and more features?

I could also care less if WB sticks with VC-1 or moves to AVC as most debates/threads have shown that at high bitrates the PQ is virtually identical and is purely academic. At lower bitrates AVC holds better detail though.

I'd love to see Harry potter Movies at 30-40mb/s bitrates in VC-1 or AVC.

Same here; I'd love to see Warner release proper Blu-ray optimised encodes of their current discs, even if that means we have wait a bit longer for them. Plus lossless audio for everything, natch.

rodgerse · 01-09-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UTVOL06

I'm not for certain but I believe most HD-DUD releases are encoded at sub 20mb/s.

HD-DUD is limited to no more than 30mb/s for video, but encoding a movie at 30mb/s for HD would probably leave it no room for audio or features...if it could even store a movie encoded at 30mb/s on a disc.

Blu-ray's max video bitrate is 40mb/s and still has room for uncompressed audio and features on a BD-50 disc. It can handle 48mb/s if you include the audio.

And do you see any compression artifacts in BD, or would you prefer higher?.Don't know how much quality there is to squeeze out of old film releases.

xwingsct · 01-09-2008, 03:50 PM

Every studios should be banned from using 25GB.

I'm pretty all the newer re-encoded master will utilize all the capacity available. But remember theyre still gonna support HD-DVD until may. So the movies releasing between now then then will be using the same master.

whippersnapper · 01-09-2008, 03:58 PM

I hope so. Warner has a number of movies that are (for my personal taste in films) "marginal". These are films that I would buy if they were top notch encodes from good originals but did not buy because they were kept in "lower quality" to conform to HD-DVD standards. There are some films that I bought (such as Blade Runner) even though they didn't have the highest bit rate video transfer and/or not the highest audio. Some of these (such as Blade Runner and a number of others) I would "double dip" on if the quality were increased in the future. And I would do this knowing, for a number of them, that the improvement in quality was slight.

Evan702 · 01-09-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by richteer

Same here; I'd love to see Warner release proper Blu-ray optimised encodes of their current discs, even if that means we have wait a bit longer for them. Plus lossless audio for everything, natch.

I'd love to see that too. What I'd also love is to see Warner offer some sort of trade-in, trade-up program for those of us who still supported them even though they were catering to the lowest denominator and giving us hd dvd ports.

Cordre69 · 01-10-2008, 06:02 PM

I have a feeling they won't, but with them releasing their upcoming Blu relases on 1.1 maybe they will? Not much information there, more speculation and hopes...

The Lurker · 01-10-2008, 06:28 PM

The one thing you can count on with the movie studios is the inevitable double-dip. So yes, I'm sure some of them will be released again with new encodes, but like others have said, probably not for awhile.

ckenisell · 01-10-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cordre69

I have a feeling they won't, but with them releasing their upcoming Blu relases on 1.1 maybe they will? Not much information there, more speculation and hopes...

Nah, they'll likely use the same encodes and just use the BD-J to code the additional Bonus View and BD-Live functionality.

Clark Kent · 01-10-2008, 09:09 PM

I really doubt Warner will reencode older and slower selling titles. I do expect new encodes for the big sellers(Matrix, Batman Begins, etc). Interesting information from a recent AVS post is that someone that has talked to a Warner compressionist is that Warner will very likely continue to use VC-1 after the move but at BD specs. So don't expect them to start using AVC anytime soon.

01-09-2008, 02:29 PM	#1
UTVOL06 Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Georgia Home Theater Gallery:7 4K collection:245 Blu-ray collection:480 Blu-ray reviews:83	Will WB re-release current Blu movies at higher bitrates? Just wondering if you guys think Warner Bros will re-release current Blu-rays and HD-DVD movies at higher bit-rates since they have gone exclusive? well, atleast down the road? I mean I know all new WB releases will have higher bit-rates for Blu-ray now on or atleast after May. But will they take time to re-encode previously released high-def movies and give us better PQ and more features? I could also care less if WB sticks with VC-1 or moves to AVC as most debates/threads have shown that at high bitrates the PQ is virtually identical and is purely academic. At lower bitrates AVC holds better detail though. I'd love to see Harry potter Movies at 30-40mb/s bitrates in VC-1 or AVC.

01-09-2008, 02:41 PM	#7
rodgerse Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	And exactly what would be the most preferable bitrate anyways?. Would ppl really only be happy with %100 uncoded, uncompressed?.Bd uses such a high-eeeficieny codec, there must be a point that he film would look perfect.To be honest, thought it did already, and any PQ issues would just be film grain. Last edited by rodgerse; 01-09-2008 at 02:43 PM.

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01-09-2008, 02:30 PM	#2
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	not for a long time. they are going to try to get out new titles before redoing old ones.

01-09-2008, 02:31 PM	#3
jimmy242 Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	probaly not maybe in the future with like special edition or extended cuts

01-09-2008, 02:34 PM	#4
UTVOL06 Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Georgia Home Theater Gallery:7 4K collection:245 Blu-ray collection:480 Blu-ray reviews:83	yeah probably will be a while, but do you think Batman begins, V for Vendetta, Matrix, etc. movies that are currently HD exclusive get a bitrate boost before they come to the Blu side?

01-09-2008, 02:35 PM	#5
Giyomu Banned Member since:Sep 2007 Location:France Blu-ray collection:347 Blu-ray reviews:6	before they re-release BD titles, PLEASE RELEASE HD-DVD exclusive titles!!!! give me BATMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

01-09-2008, 02:37 PM	#6
DealsR4theDevil Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:76	I soooooo want Batman Begins. Batman Begins and Serenity are the only to titles it brothers me HD DVD has. Casino also, but because its not that great of a transfer I am content with not having it.

01-09-2008, 03:35 PM	#10
Dragonraine Banned Member since:Jan 2008	It would be cheaper for WB to release the same encode on bd, also faster as well. They already looked awesome on HD DVD ( i do own those movies) but id like to get BD versions..if only because I wouldnt have to flip the Matrix movies over to watch the special features.

01-09-2008, 03:50 PM	#14
xwingsct Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 3	Every studios should be banned from using 25GB. I'm pretty all the newer re-encoded master will utilize all the capacity available. But remember theyre still gonna support HD-DVD until may. So the movies releasing between now then then will be using the same master.

01-09-2008, 03:58 PM	#15
whippersnapper Special Member Member since:Jan 2007	I hope so. Warner has a number of movies that are (for my personal taste in films) "marginal". These are films that I would buy if they were top notch encodes from good originals but did not buy because they were kept in "lower quality" to conform to HD-DVD standards. There are some films that I bought (such as Blade Runner) even though they didn't have the highest bit rate video transfer and/or not the highest audio. Some of these (such as Blade Runner and a number of others) I would "double dip" on if the quality were increased in the future. And I would do this knowing, for a number of them, that the improvement in quality was slight.

01-10-2008, 06:02 PM	#17
Cordre69 Power Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Livermore, CA 4K collection:218 Blu-ray collection:1094 Trading Score:1	I have a feeling they won't, but with them releasing their upcoming Blu relases on 1.1 maybe they will? Not much information there, more speculation and hopes...

01-10-2008, 06:28 PM	#18
The Lurker Active Member Member since:Jan 2008	The one thing you can count on with the movie studios is the inevitable double-dip. So yes, I'm sure some of them will be released again with new encodes, but like others have said, probably not for awhile.

01-10-2008, 09:09 PM	#20
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	I really doubt Warner will reencode older and slower selling titles. I do expect new encodes for the big sellers(Matrix, Batman Begins, etc). Interesting information from a recent AVS post is that someone that has talked to a Warner compressionist is that Warner will very likely continue to use VC-1 after the move but at BD specs. So don't expect them to start using AVC anytime soon.

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