BD/DVD combo disc

[JTK]

BD/DVD is a legitimate issue. It's not a far fetched idea since HD-DVD has it.
According to some of the more rational post here, the main factor is price. I can agree with that if the price is too high. But what if the price was only a few dollars extra. I personally would pay an extra $5. For me, the more options the better.

I agree with Chad Vardanore's take on the subject.

If it's forced on us and there's no other options and ANY kind of quality is compromised on the primary HD product, then I'm totally against it. And extra cost? I don't care if it's two cents. It's a matter of principle at that point.

We've all repeated ourselves in this thread and several others like it over the past few weeks.


If they want to offer combos and hybrids for the niche folks such as yourself that want to watch movies in their Cadillacs then great.

Offer those in addition to standalone discs for maximum choice.

Everyone could get what they want. I'm not against that kind of scenario.

Originally Posted by Heresy

So because YOU want to play both everyone should pay extra? It makes no economical sense except for the 1 in a 1000+ that feel the need to watch movies in their cars.

Completely true, but what the hell? Throw the guy a bone for the sake of the argument, at this rate.

[Heresy]

As an even better reason against it:

So far I have bought 52 BDs and have 6 on pre-order right now; at $5 a pop that would be $290 extra I am paying just so the VERY few that would benefit can have both versions. As Paidgeek has already said there just is not close to the demand to justify charging the rest of the world extra for combos that won't benefit 95%+ of the buyers.

[KenThompson]

Why not just buy the dvd and leave the Blu Ray disc alone. Nobody likes flippers. Its the same old as BD HD DVD dual disc and we don't want them either. I for one will not support anything other than a dedicated Blu Ray movie.

[tulegit]

Originally Posted by Heresy

As an even better reason against it:

So far I have bought 52 BDs and have 6 on pre-order right now; at $5 a pop that would be $290 extra I am paying just so the VERY few that would benefit can have both versions. As Paidgeek has already said there just is not close to the demand to justify charging the rest of the world extra for combos that won't benefit 95%+ of the buyers.

Alright, thats what i'm looking for. some good points. At least we're getting a discussion going here.

So $5 is too much. What if it was $2 or $1 or even the same price. Assuming no quality comprimise. Flipper disc or 2 disc set(1BD and 1DVD)

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by tulegit

Alright, thats what i'm looking for. some good points. At least we're getting a discussion going here.

So $5 is too much. What if it was $2 or $1 or even the same price. Assuming no quality comprimise. Flipper disc or 2 disc set(1BD and 1DVD)

The problem with a two disc set is that a person buying the BD will just give the DVD to a friend, especially if there was little or no price premium, I know I would.

[Heresy]

What if it was $2 or $1 or even the same price.

That won't happen because it is not economically feasible for the studio. It's a moot point; one way they are screwing the customer the other they are screwing themselves so I simply can't see it happening (and if it ever does you can bet they will be screwing the customer and not themselves.)

[theknub]

Originally Posted by tulegit

Alright, thats what i'm looking for. some good points. At least we're getting a discussion going here.

So $5 is too much. What if it was $2 or $1 or even the same price. Assuming no quality comprimise. Flipper disc or 2 disc set(1BD and 1DVD)

the 2 disc set is out especially if offered at the same price. if you pay more, then it makes a bit more sense. most anyone who buys the 2 disc set will end up ebaying/selling the DVD portion and pretty much make up 1/2 the ground that they just paid for the BR disc. so, that is a disadvantage for the studios, so no go.

the only feasible option i see is using MMC, we're able to create a DVD version of the movie (same idea as being able to put on a psp) that you can then burn to a DVD and play on a DRM protected device. otherwise, forget the flippers/combos/2 disc sets because it simply is a waste of my time and money.

[tulegit]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

The problem with a two disc set is that a person buying the BD will just give the DVD to a friend, especially if there was little or no price premium, I know I would.

Damn. You're right. Studios would probably loose out on dvd sales.

[tulegit]

Originally Posted by theknub

the only feasible option i see is using MMC, we're able to create a DVD version of the movie (same idea as being able to put on a psp) that you can then burn to a DVD and play on a DRM protected device. .

What is MMC?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by tulegit

Damn. You're right. Studios would probably loose out on dvd sales.

I am giving my DVDs away already. W/O any combo discs. Though the result is same, I buy BD disc, and if I already had the same DVD...

[Avalanche™]

see i completely Disagree, i think its better for the consumer to actually have the DVD Combo, cuz some people are still in limbo to which side they want to go with, lets say someone is thinking BR and they dont have the cash for a player but they will have cash at a later time. so not only are they spending money on a blu ray movie AND a DVD version they can watch now, but they will basically be locked in to get the BR Player since they have movies for it anyway.

example

my friend has no money for a ps3 or br player right now since hes gettting hitched,but he made the decision that he will take the BR side,so hes gonna buy the combo format now so he can actually use it on his regular DVD player and he can use it later on his BR player.

get it?

[tulegit]

Originally Posted by Destiny Is near

see i completely Disagree, i think its better for the consumer to actually have the DVD Combo, cuz some people are still in limbo to which side they want to go with, lets say someone is thinking BR and they dont have the cash for a player but they will have cash at a later time. so not only are they spending money on a blu ray movie AND a DVD version they can watch now, but they will basically be locked in to get the BR Player since they have movies for it anyway.

example

my friend has no money for a ps3 or br player right now since hes gettting hitched,but he made the decision that he will take the BR side,so hes gonna buy the combo format now so he can actually use it on his regular DVD player and he can use it later on his BR player.

get it?

I totally agree. I think that is the logic that HD-DVD is using.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by tulegit

I totally agree. I think that is the logic that HD-DVD is using.

And how's HD-DVD doing these days?

[Iceman_II]

And another reason NOT to have BD/DVD combos is that as long as part of the package is DVD, Toshiba gets a royalty... $crew 'em

[Heresy]

So everyone with a Blu-ray player has to spend more money because your friend cannot afford a PS3 right now? The studios produce Blu-Ray discs for customers that own Blu-ray players, not for customers that may, sometime in the future, buy one.

There is nothing good in combo discs for 95%+ of the people who would be forced to buy them if that was all that was offered and there wouldn't be enough demand for the companies to produce both single versions and combos.

Just because your friend can't afford a player right now does not justify making everyone that can (and who are the customers that are driving the format) pay more.

Get it?

[Heresy]

Originally Posted by tulegit

I totally agree. I think that is the logic that HD-DVD is using.

Go ask all the HD-DVD users how much they like paying extra for combos; they hate them too.

[tulegit]

I guess most BD owners (and HD-DVD) would hate to pay extra. But we are a very very small percentage. The vast majority of americans are still DVD owners like the previous poster's friend. And if these consumer can be persuaded to make a future investment, then they are "locked" into the BD format.

Everyone here is very adament about supporting BD, so it's a small price to pay to claim victory.

[theknub]

or a large price if ur like heresy, provenflipper, btbuck, JTK, me and a host of other people.

maybe u have $5 extra for every disc you want, but as heresy said, that is close to $300 in extra expenses. $300 that could easily go into buying more videos, games, equipment, etc.

i'll vote with my wallet, but not at the expense of paying that much more.

[phloyd]

It is as simple as this.

People who are too cheap to buy a HiDef player are not going to pay an excessive increase of the price of a DVD to 'future proof' for either format. Period. And especially when the future format is not yet decided in some people's view...

And the small percentage who want to watch some title on SD can just buy those DVDs, usually for $10 or less. Instead of paying a premium on every title they want to buy that is only available in combo format. Often they already own the DVD - I own Animal House, Army of Darkness and a number of other movies Universal has seen fit to announce as combos. Yet to buy the HD DVD I would have to rebuy a DVD I already own!!!

There is no reason to burden all buyers with combo discs. Period. Ever.

[theknub]

tulegit, you are barking up the wrong tree with JTK. believe me

ok, ur opinion is that we should all want combos and that we're in the minority here. how is that possible? the people here are the main people buying discs. shouldn't we be the ones dictating what we want? after all, we are the consumer. most everyone here agrees that combos are a terrible product. you are pretty much the only one saying otherwise and are trying to convince us of that.

as for this comment, and i quote:

Once again, proof you don't know how to read and comprehend. Never did i say there wasn't a difference. Read again.

My point is that other movies like X3 and Underworld (as the other poster mention) are very similar in quality to DVD.

ok, ur right. u didn't say it there. u did see that a reference title has little to no difference. my bad.