some companies cannot leave their optical drive's alone

[joeorc]

first only haveing Standard DVD 9 in your system..than adding a HD-DVD add on...
now this.....

Xbox 360 finally quiets down with brand new internal DVD drive

Posted Feb 6th 2007 9:03AM by Paul Miller
Filed under: Gaming, Home Entertainment

It's no secret that the Xbox 360's disc drive is hella noisy, by far outstripping any incidental fan noises that might be going on inside that white box. Luckily, help is on the way -- sort of. Microsoft has started building its 360s with a new DVD drive manufactured by BenQ-LiteOn-Philips, the BenQ VAD6038, which purportedly runs "super-quiet" in comparison to the previous two drives used by MS, and even speeds up and smooths out load times. Of course, this does nothing for the 10 million plus current owners of Xbox 360s suffering from the noisy insanity of the older drives, but it does mean that as Microsoft ramps up production with this new drive, your next 360 hopefully won't fall victim to the whir.

[Via Xbox-Scene; thanks smash_linux]
http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/06/x...ive/2#comments

this is only the start......

[Maximus]

Finally MS has sorted the disc drive out, it took them long enough!

On a side note, if MS are signing contracts for a primary drive supplier this close to their fabled Zephyr incarnation, it doesn't bode well for HD DVD being included in it.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Finally MS has sorted the disc drive out, it took them long enough!

On a side note, if MS are signing contracts for a primary drive supplier this close to their fabled Zephyr incarnation, it doesn't bode well for HD DVD being included in it.

Just yet more proof, albeit indirectly, that MS really couldn't care less about HD-DVD past being the smokescreen and "market hostage" tool that it currently is.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by joeorc

It's no secret that the Xbox 360's disc drive is hella noisy, by far outstripping any incidental fan noises that might be going on inside that white box. Luckily, help is on the way -- sort of. Microsoft has started building its 360s with a new DVD drive manufactured by BenQ-LiteOn-Philips, the BenQ VAD6038, which purportedly runs "super-quiet" in comparison to the previous two drives used by MS, and even speeds up and smooths out load times. Of course, this does nothing for the 10 million plus current owners of Xbox 360s suffering from the noisy insanity of the older drives, but it does mean that as Microsoft ramps up production with this new drive, your next 360 hopefully won't fall victim to the whir.

I wonder how the current owners are going to react? Arguably a noisy drive is a design defect.

Just as leaving off HDMI was, when they add that.

What a mess they will be in soon.

Gary

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Finally MS has sorted the disc drive out, it took them long enough!

On a side note, if MS are signing contracts for a primary drive supplier this close to their fabled Zephyr incarnation, it doesn't bode well for HD DVD being included in it.

yup..this points to what i was saying, HDMI, 120 GIG , AN THE NEW 65 nm processor being the extent of the upgrade for V2..but putting the new upgraded system out so quick would be a problem..their fanbase would be not too happy..

most would feel why did you not do this in the first place.....
an the cost for the upgrade would increase the cost of the xbox360..the thing is microsoft may release the system at $500.00 an if they do this ...that is shure to gather alot of sales...

but would be frownd on by alot of consumers...but MICROSOFT has a ton of money an Like they care anyway..they already stoped production on the first XBOX only after 4 years..so nothing new. this would realy be the only way that MICROSOFT will try to further damage SONY's adoption of the playstation 3. an if it works there is pretty not much SONY could realy do about it ...its a war with MONEY ..which without paying overhead like SONY has too ..MICROSOFT just has more of it..but even this still may not be enough to help Microsoft anyway because the BLU-RAY drive is the one thing that Microsoft does not have "currently" an if Microsoft adopts BLU-RAY ..

they would "realy only use it for MOVIES only" because if they started to use it for game's than there would be major backlash..

which still brings it back to the first point..by not incorperating a BLU-RAY or HD-DVD drive off the bat the xbox360 will prob. just only use DVD 9 , for games..nothing wrong with that ..but it does show short sightedness

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by joeorc

they would "realy only use it for MOVIES only" because if they started to use it for game's than there would be major backlash..

which still brings it back to the first point..by not incorperating a BLU-RAY or HD-DVD drive off the bat the xbox360 will prob. just only use DVD 9 , for games..nothing wrong with that ..but it does show short sightedness

The first major cross-platform game that comes out with reviews that say how much better it is without disc swaps, is the beginning of the end to XBox 360.

DVD-9 throttles innovation. They are forced down the real-time rendering path because they simply don't have enough capacity for pre-rendered stuff, or it would be too computationally expensive to decode it in a real-time game.

Simple example:

Driving into Times Square and having the actual ads appear on the displays are trivially possible when capacity is not an issue. Xbox 360 would have to maximally compress VC-1 (expensive computationally for decompression) just to have a shot. The PS/3 can leave things extremely lightweight computationally.

Gary

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

The first major cross-platform game that comes out with reviews that say how much better it is without disc swaps, is the beginning of the end to XBox 360.

DVD-9 throttles innovation. They are forced down the real-time rendering path because they simply don't have enough capacity for pre-rendered stuff, or it would be too computationally expensive to decode it in a real-time game.

Simple example:

Driving into Times Square and having the actual ads appear on the displays are trivially possible when capacity is not an issue. Xbox 360 would have to maximally compress VC-1 (expensive computationally for decompression) just to have a shot. The PS/3 can leave things extremely lightweight computationally.

Gary

then of course MY FAV. PRO XBOX360 ZEALOTS people who i have heard always "say MICROSOFT CAN USE COMPRESSION , AN CAN USE Procedure Synthesis"

yes that is what i alway's want the same enviroment's to look the same.... ....compression only goes so far before you get .....

artifacts...
so many no doubt you "just may have to sell them to this guy :

just to get rid of them all"......

[Blackraven]

I now laugh at you XBOX360 early adopters.

I mean scorching hardware temperatures, noisy devices (fan and old optical drive) incomplete 1080p support (due to lack of HDMI).

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I now laugh at you XBOX360 early adopters.

I mean scorching hardware temperatures, noisy devices (fan and old optical drive) incomplete 1080p support (due to lack of HDMI).

Yeah, but none of those thing are really "that big a deal" or "that important" at least according to certain MS employees and 360 fanboys.

Meanwhile, Sony is practically the spawn of Satan himself because the PS3 didn't ship and come out of the box ready to cater to Stone Age first gen HDTVs.

Hell and damnation!