4K Blu-ray content on the horizon?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Who said anything about "properly"? If you don't have wall space, you can't really have a very large-screen TV no matter what you want. I've been in several brand new million dollar NYC apartments and there's no place for a very large TV. About the best they can do is a 32" sitting on a dresser in a bedroom.

I was in a small house in Woodstock, NY last week and the only place where even a 50" could have gone is blocked by a heating stove. They've got a tiny TV (probably 22" or smaller) in the kitchen and that's the only TV in the house.

It's not a matter of what's proper or what's wanted, but what's practical. If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.

why did you not quote everything. I already replied to all this garbage in the previous post. Post a floor plan of the Woodstock plan and I am sure I could find a way for them to have a much bigger screen in the home if they wanted to.

And that's aside from the generation of people who are perfectly happy watching TV on their computer, iPad or even their phone screen.

there is no such generation. Don't get me wrong, there are kids that are happy watching on PC, ipad or phone in many situations. But sooner or later they will grow up and then they will have a home and family and need something big enough so that they can share it together and with friends comfortably. You can’t look at teens or early 20’s and pretend it means anything anyone that is 30+ knows that, when you are young what you care for (independence and high risk tolerance) fade away once you become more mature.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Who said anything about "properly"? If you don't have wall space, you can't really have a very large-screen TV no matter what you want. I've been in several brand new million dollar NYC apartments and there's no place for a very large TV. About the best they can do is a 32" sitting on a dresser in a bedroom.

I was in a small house in Woodstock, NY last week and the only place where even a 50" could have gone is blocked by a heating stove. They've got a tiny TV (probably 22" or smaller) in the kitchen and that's the only TV in the house.

It's not a matter of what's proper or what's wanted, but what's practical. If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. And that's aside from the generation of people who are perfectly happy watching TV on their computer, iPad or even their phone screen.

If the day comes when film and tv is solely consumed on mobiles the film industry will be dead as far as i am concerned.

Zoe, i am glad i live in England if that is the case. Every single one of my friends has a lounge/living room big enough for at least 46 inch tv. most of them have enough space for a monster tv (a couple of them have 50 inch screens, me included.) Even our apartments have ample space for a decent set-up. Also, kids are staying with their parents for longer now because of the recession. Houses are going to need to be big and not smaller as you claim. Finally, younger people may well watch their iphones and ipads or laptops. however, they will one day maybe marry and trust me, the big tv will come into play then. Unless we are talking sport, for most couples tv watching is a shared experience, you cannot have that with a phone or tablet. you just cannot.

[ole geezer]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If the day comes when film and tv is solely consumed on mobiles the film industry will be dead as far as i am concerned...

Speaking of screen sizes...

Unit sales of 3DTVs increased more than 100% during the five-week winter retail holiday period ending Dec. 24, according to new data from The NPD Group. While 3D movies remain a mainstay at the box office, 3D consumption in the home has been sluggish due in part to premium prices on 3DTVs, limited content availability and requisite eyewear, among other issues.

That said, 3DTVs accounted for one in five dollars spent on TVs during the holidays – underscored by the fact that sales of big screen TVs, 50 inches or bigger, increased more than 32%. One in six flat panel TVs sold were above 50 inches, with screen size considered a prerequisite for 3D viewing....

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3d/...cket-100-26053

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by ole geezer

Speaking of screen sizes...

Unit sales of 3DTVs increased more than 100% during the five-week winter retail holiday period ending Dec. 24, according to new data from The NPD Group. While 3D movies remain a mainstay at the box office, 3D consumption in the home has been sluggish due in part to premium prices on 3DTVs, limited content availability and requisite eyewear, among other issues.

That said, 3DTVs accounted for one in five dollars spent on TVs during the holidays – underscored by the fact that sales of big screen TVs, 50 inches or bigger, increased more than 32%. One in six flat panel TVs sold were above 50 inches, with screen size considered a prerequisite for 3D viewing....

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3d/...cket-100-26053

The 3D aspect of this is meaningless. I bought a new 55" TV this year and it happens to be 3D, but I don't watch any 3D on it - I don't even have any glasses. My brother bought a 55" and he did happen to get 5 pairs of glasses and he says he enjoys the 3D, but there are only two real tests:
- how many people bought the TV because it had 3D?
- how many 3D Blu-rays are being sold?
Furthermore only 20% of dollars was spent on 3D screens, which of course means that 80% wasn't. I'd say that's a pretty poor showing.

As far as large screen sizes are concerned, look at the last sentence. Only 1 in 6 panels sold were above 50". That's less than 17%. Even though I'm the one who argued that houses are getting smaller and apartments are gaining window space and losing wall space, so they can't handle large screens, even I would have thought that large screen share was greater than 17%.

[ole geezer]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The 3D aspect of this is meaningless. I bought a new 55" TV this year and it happens to be 3D, but I don't watch any 3D on it - I don't even have any glasses. My brother bought a 55" and he did happen to get 5 pairs of glasses and he says he enjoys the 3D, but there are only two real tests:
- how many people bought the TV because it had 3D?
- how many 3D Blu-rays are being sold?
Furthermore only 20% of dollars was spent on 3D screens, which of course means that 80% wasn't. I'd say that's a pretty poor showing.

I'd say it's a bloody miracle considering the scarcity of content. Kinda reminds me of the good ole HDTV days back in 2001 when my favorite program was the HD demo loop off my satellite service because other HD programming was almost non existent.

I do think it's significant that 3D sets have come down in price to the point where non 3D users such as yourself can get it as a bonus.

As far as large screen sizes are concerned, look at the last sentence. Only 1 in 6 panels sold were above 50". That's less than 17%. Even though I'm the one who argued that houses are getting smaller and apartments are gaining window space and losing wall space, so they can't handle large screens, even I would have thought that large screen share was greater than 17%.

Well...I've been using a large spare bedroom as a HT for the past 7 years and I swear by 9 foot wide screens.

Anyway, It's possible for anyone using a 720p 3D projector ($650) and a 3D Blu ray player ($90) along with shutter 3D glasses to get into wall size 3DTV these days. Man...that's the only way to fly.

[HD Goofnut]

Looks like 4K BDs are coming in 2013.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4381...n-blu-ray-2013

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Looks like 4K BDs are coming in 2013.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4381...n-blu-ray-2013

It's gonna be a "luxury" item for a few years before the average consumer will be willing to switch again.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

It's gonna be a "luxury" item for a few years before the average consumer will be willing to switch again.

Maybe by then I'll have a dedicated home theater room with a big enough screen to appreciate 4K. I imagine that a 4K projector would be more practical than a display since you don't notice a difference until 60+ inches.

[Steedeel]

Maybe 4k will tie in with the new PS4. 2013 sounds right to me. I think it is safe to say i will be buying the new console if that is the case. That is if we all don't live in glass apartments by then!

[GamerBoy14]

Well, the best part of this that benefits to me is that if a new standard of Blu-Ray is released, then maybe 3D Blu-Rays will drop in price like normal Blu-Rays did when 3D came out.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by GamerBoy40

Well, the best part of this that benefits to me is that if a new standard of Blu-Ray is released, then maybe 3D Blu-Rays will drop in price like normal Blu-Rays did when 3D came out.

Eh, give me higher resolution over a 3D gimmick any day.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Maybe 4k will tie in with the new PS4. 2013 sounds right to me. I think it is safe to say i will be buying the new console if that is the case. That is if we all don't live in glass apartments by then!

The Playstation 4 will definutely not do 4k. Think about it

With 4k TVs being in less then 1% of homes why would they raise the cost of consoles in order to sell a feature almost nobody can use.

Not to mention what 4k rendering would do for processing. Most Playstation 3/Xbox 360 games are in 720p because higher resolution is processer hogging. Id rather valuable processing power go to a more stable framerate, better character models, and more realistic animation then to 4k resolution given that such things will benefit alot more gamers then 4k will

In terms of native 4k rendering Id wait till the Playstation 5 for that

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Eh, give me higher resolution over a 3D gimmick any day.

At least 3D can benefit people on TVs of almost any size. 4k is useless on any screen smaller then 40 inches since your eyes simply can't see pixels that tiny. Even on a 80-100 inch screen the improvement in detail 4k will give over 1080p will not be as dramatic as the amazing added depth 3D gives. 3D is no more a gimmick then higher resolution. Both do the exact same thing. Make movies a more lifelike and thats a good thing. Plus Im sure all 4k televisions will be 3D capable

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Who said anything about "properly"? If you don't have wall space, you can't really have a very large-screen TV no matter what you want. I've been in several brand new million dollar NYC apartments and there's no place for a very large TV. About the best they can do is a 32" sitting on a dresser in a bedroom.

I was in a small house in Woodstock, NY last week and the only place where even a 50" could have gone is blocked by a heating stove. They've got a tiny TV (probably 22" or smaller) in the kitchen and that's the only TV in the house.

It's not a matter of what's proper or what's wanted, but what's practical. If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. And that's aside from the generation of people who are perfectly happy watching TV on their computer, iPad or even their phone screen.

I have just looked at some of the places you mentioned with floor to ceiling windows in various areas through NewYork. 90 percent of them had ample space for a large tv and the brochures even advertised 200 channel cable services. There was even considerable sized book shelves!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

The Playstation 4 will definutely not do 4k. Think about it

With 4k TVs being in less then 1% of homes why would they raise the cost of consoles in order to sell a feature almost nobody can use.

Not to mention what 4k rendering would do for processing. Most Playstation 3/Xbox 360 games are in 720p because higher resolution is processer hogging. Id rather valuable processing power go to a more stable framerate, better character models, and more realistic animation then to 4k resolution given that such things will benefit alot more gamers then 4k will

In terms of native 4k rendering Id wait till the Playstation 5 for that

The ps3 will support 4k still pictures this year apparently. If 4k media does come out, ps4 would be the natural home. It still would play 1080p bluray games and films though.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

This isn't a TV anymore. Definitely not an 84 or 100" size because that's not how things work. Applying a size to something like this doesn't even make sense.

Of course it makes sense. Have you seen these HMDs from Sony? They talk about displays that are the equivalent of 100" at 10 foot or whatever. It is an apparent size based on the focal length of the lenses used, the FOV of the display etc.

Now imagine how advanced it could be in 20 years. It could be much smaller and lighter. Maybe it would beam the image directly onto your eye with a laser instead of using a mirror/lens arangement. It could be part of your normal spectacles.

Have you heard of augmented reality? You could have such a display that appears fixed on one wall...as you move your head around it appears to stay in the same position on that wall. A 'virtual display' effectively. So you walk into the room and there's your wall-sized TV, even though it is not actually there. And you could resize the display in real time with a gesture, move it around your wall to find the best spot.

Clearly you could describe such a display in terms of apparent size. The fact that you don't grasp that shows that there is really no point in discussing future technology with you. You simply don't have the imagination.

[JohnAV]

To all the people who think 4K displays have to be huge . . . .

Panasonic outs 'world's smallest and thinnest' 4K x 2K IPS LCD monitor

The world's smallest and thinnest 4K x 2K monitor? According to Panasonic, you're looking at it. Unfortunately the company conveniently also left out its actual size, but what looks to our eyes like a 15 or 17-inch display that's also only 3.5mm thin? Alright, we'll bite. For those that can do math, that's an array of 8 million pixels and vibrant from all angles thanks to IPS-Pro technology. That's great Panasonic, but put it in a tablet or a laptop and we'll show you the greenbacks.

Update: Turns out it's 20.4-inches, and rocks an official total of 8.29 million, hit the official PR after the break to see for yourself.

Yep that whats she's holding a 4K display.

[saprano]

She's hot.

I think sony will start the 4K revolution with the PS4. We'll be able to upscale our BD's to 4K until native 4K content is released. Just like the PS3, sony will use the PS4 to make 4K successful.

I see sony announcing in 2013 something along the lines of "The worlds first 4K movie player.....PS4"

[superapplekid]

Originally Posted by saprano

She's hot.

I think sony will start the 4K revolution with the PS4. We'll be able to upscale our BD's to 4K until native 4K content is released. Just like the PS3, so will use the PS4 to make 4K successful.

I see sony announcing in 2013 something along the lines of "The worlds first 4K movie player.....PS4"

I don't see why not. All that is needed is the right physical HDMI output (can 1.4 do it?) and enough horsepower, right? Considering we are talking a next-gen console I don't think those features would even add the the cost since they will likely be a part of what makes it a next-gen console.

PS4 probably isn't going to launch until 2013 at the earliest, seeing as how they haven't even announced it. I bet we'll see some form of 4k player before then. More interesting - lets start taking bets on whether or not the PS4 will be doing 8k by the end of its life cycle.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by superapplekid

I don't see why not. All that is needed is the right physical HDMI output (can 1.4 do it?) and enough horsepower, right? Considering we are talking a next-gen console I don't think those features would even add the the cost since they will likely be a part of what makes it a next-gen console.

PS4 probably isn't going to launch until 2013 at the earliest, seeing as how they haven't even announced it. I bet we'll see some form of 4k player before then. More interesting - lets start taking bets on whether or not the PS4 will be doing 8k by the end of its life cycle.

4k support would add to the cost of the console. Sony is going to want to make the Playstation 4 as cheap as reasonable. Even by 2013 the number of 4k televisions will be less then 1%

High def TVs were much more prevelant in 2000 then 4k televisions will be until at least 2015 yet the Playstation 2 did not have HD support because the cost benefit ratio wasn't there yet. It wasn't until HDTVs were nearly ten years old did consoles come out to fully support them.