Ps3 Works With All Very Old Hdtv Displays And Standard Tv's

[HDTV1080P]

Overall the Playstation 3 is the best HDTV movie player and videogame system on the market today. There have been many positive reviews of the Sony PS3 by many magazines. What is disappointed is the average consumer is getting confused by all the negative misleading comments on some websites. I spoke with a person the other day that thought the Sony PS3 machines were all broken and did not work correctly with HDTV displays. In reality I informed this person that the Sony PS3 machines are not broken and are working as designed. Some websites have misleading information about the PS3.
**PS3 scaler issue** Let’s see if I can make it simple for people to understand without getting to technical. The Sony PS3 will output 480I,480P,720P,1080I, and 1080P. 99% of Hollywood BLU-RAY HDTV movies are encoded at 1080P/24 on the disc which is the highest quality available for HDTV. Some videogames on PS3 are encoded at 720P/60 and 1080P/60. If a 1080P movie or video game is played on the Sony PS3 the Playstation 3 will correctly with no problems output 1080P or give an option to down scale the image to older displays that support 1080I, 480P, and 480I. For some reason maybe to save cost the Sony PS3 will not down scale to 720P. The downscaling feature works fine with the Sony PS3 at all resolutions accept it was not designed to support 720P when downscaling. Sony decided to save money and not include a hardware upscale feature in its Playstation 3. Many HDTV displays already have upscale features built in that will take a lower resolution signal and convert it to a higher resolution. Here is where the problem occurs, when people with very old HDTV displays that only accept 480I/P or 1080I/P signals try and play a videogame that is 720P the only way to be able to play the videogame on a very old HDTV display without a upscaler is to have the Playstation 3 down scale the 720P HDTV videogame to 480I or 480P quality. It would have been nice to have an upscale feature in the PS3 but it might have raised the cost $100 for a good quality one. As I mentioned before the PS3 does not currently upscale video resolutions that is a feature that most HDTV displays sold in the last 3-5 years already do. The Sony when down scaling 1080P or 1080I only down scales it to 480I or 480P and does not support 720P when down scaling. Only BLU-RAY games that are 720P will be outputted as 720P or if one selects down scale they can down scale 720P to 480P or 480I.
These issues are generally for people that have a HDTV display that is 5 years or older with no scaler built in. Any HDTV display purchased in the last 3 years should have a scaler built in. Scalers can be found on cheap 27 inch CRT HDTV TV’s at Walmart for $349.
I am sure Sony wishes they would have placed a better quality video scaler in the Playstation 3 so that people with older HDTV displays don’t run into issues. The fact is all old HDTV displays will work with the PS3 but not always in HDTV quality, sometimes only at NTSC 480I or 480P quality.

Another issue people are complaining about is the software emulation of PS1 and PS2 games instead of hardware emulation for the European version of the Playstation 3. I know that if I was buying a European version of PS3 I also would want a hardware emulator for old PS1 and PS2 games. Another one of Sony’s cost cutting decisions. Overall the Sony PS3 is a great value and quality. If the PS3 did everything everyone wanted it to do the thing would cost $1,000 or more. It is estimated that Sony is losing $200 or $300 on each console they are selling and hopes to one day make up the difference in videogame sales.

Here is detailed reference to the Sony PS3 no hardware upscale feature.

http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/ps3scaler/

Here is a link to a review of the Sony Playstation 3 BLU-RAY videogame/movie player. One can even purchase a wireless keyboard and surf the web with this thing. Incredible product
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd-dvd-bluray/1982/sony-playstation-3-game-console.html

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Overall the Playstation 3 is the best HDTV movie player and videogame system on the market today. There have been many positive reviews of the Sony PS3 by many magazines. What is disappointed is the average consumer is getting confused by all the negative misleading comments on some websites. I spoke with a person the other day that thought the Sony PS3 machines were all broken and did not work correctly with HDTV displays. In reality I informed this person that the Sony PS3 machines are not broken and are working as designed. Some websites have misleading information about the PS3.
**PS3 scaler issue** Let’s see if I can make it simple for people to understand without getting to technical. The Sony PS3 will output 480I,480P,720P,1080I, and 1080P. 99% of Hollywood BLU-RAY HDTV movies are encoded at 1080P/24 on the disc which is the highest quality available for HDTV. Some videogames on PS3 are encoded at 720P/60 and 1080P/60. If a 1080P movie or video game is played on the Sony PS3 the Playstation 3 will correctly with no problems output 1080P or give an option to down scale the image to older displays that support 1080I, 480P, and 480I. For some reason maybe to save cost the Sony PS3 will not down scale to 720P. The downscaling feature works fine with the Sony PS3 at all resolutions accept it was not designed to support 720P when downscaling. Sony decided to save money and not include a hardware upscale feature in its Playstation 3. Many HDTV displays already have upscale features built in that will take a lower resolution signal and convert it to a higher resolution. Here is where the problem occurs, when people with very old HDTV displays that only accept 480I/P or 1080I/P signals try and play a videogame that is 720P the only way to be able to play the videogame on a very old HDTV display without a upscaler is to have the Playstation 3 down scale the 720P HDTV videogame to 480I or 480P quality. It would have been nice to have an upscale feature in the PS3 but it might have raised the cost $100 for a good quality one. As I mentioned before the PS3 does not currently upscale video resolutions that is a feature that most HDTV displays sold in the last 3-5 years already do. The Sony when down scaling 1080P or 1080I only down scales it to 480I or 480P and does not support 720P when down scaling. Only BLU-RAY games that are 720P will be outputted as 720P or if one selects down scale they can down scale 720P to 480P or 480I.
These issues are generally for people that have a HDTV display that is 5 years or older with no scaler built in. Any HDTV display purchased in the last 3 years should have a scaler built in. Scalers can be found on cheap 27 inch CRT HDTV TV’s at Walmart for $349.
I am sure Sony wishes they would have placed a better quality video scaler in the Playstation 3 so that people with older HDTV displays don’t run into issues. The fact is all old HDTV displays will work with the PS3 but not always in HDTV quality, sometimes only at NTSC 480I or 480P quality.

Another issue people are complaining about is the software emulation of PS1 and PS2 games instead of hardware emulation for the European version of the Playstation 3. I know that if I was buying a European version of PS3 I also would want a hardware emulator for old PS1 and PS2 games. Another one of Sony’s cost cutting decisions. Overall the Sony PS3 is a great value and quality. If the PS3 did everything everyone wanted it to do the thing would cost $1,000 or more. It is estimated that Sony is losing $200 or $300 on each console they are selling and hopes to one day make up the difference in videogame sales.

Here is detailed reference to the Sony PS3 no hardware upscale feature.

http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/ps3scaler/

Here is a link to a review of the Sony Playstation 3 BLU-RAY videogame/movie player. One can even purchase a wireless keyboard and surf the web with this thing. Incredible product
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd-dvd-bluray/1982/sony-playstation-3-game-console.html

Quoted for truth.

I really don't what these rumor-spreading FUDsters are thinking when they say that the PS3 will only work on HDTVs and thus anyone with a CRT is doomed.

What lies!

ALL TV SETS/PC MONITORS are compatible with the PS3. Even if you bought you're old school TV from the 80's, as long as it has basic inputs (like composite), then your TV WILL WORK on the PS3.

What are these ignorant fools saying? That you can't see ANYTHING if your PS3 is only hooked to a cheap TV? That's just pure bullshit!

Only ignorant XBOX fanboys can say such lies and garbage. They say crap like this yet when you play Oblivion on the XBOX 360 using an CRT, it looks like crap (my friend says that he can't see the floor on the screen).

Geez, I don't what kind of misinformation they'll think of spreading next.

[Deciazulado]

If you hook up a PS3 to a TV the resolution is so sharp it makes the Cathode Ray burn a hole though the glass.

and kill the viewer.


and give the cat salmonella

[DavePS3]

My PS3 is hooked up via HDMI to DVI to VGA into a Loewe CRT at 1080i. CRT's cannot display 720p or for that matter 1080p because the yokes will overheat but the rez on the Loewe is incredible. I walk into the big chains like BB and FS here and see Blu as well as HD-DVD running into plasmas & LCD's at 1080p and they all look like laserdisc on my Loewe. Either the panels are not tweaked properly which is highly likely, or 1080p is really the only format that looks hgalf decent on those panels because SD cable and DVD look terrible on all those panels. The big advantage to flat panels over CRT - other than the obvious space saving, is that flat panels have much better "convergence" in the corners than most CRT's and they can usually display more colors. However, the Loewe sets are like a computer monitor in terms of color display with better resolution so while I sell flat panels via distributorship, until I can find a flat panel that looks at least as good as my CRT, I'll stick with it. I love the concept of flat panels... I just don't like the rez.

[darkspectre]

Yeah, I have a Samsung 1080i HDTV from 2004 and I bought the Official Component Cables made by Sony and the picture/sound quality is state-of-the-art. If you have a 1080i, that's good enough (provided you have the component cables). There's no need to plop down $2,000-$3000 for a 1080p...not yet. The difference can only be seen WITHOUT the component cables. If you use the standard composite cables that came out of the box, you'll barely notice minor flicking of lines (you need to be standing like 10-12 inches away from the screen to notice this though).

[DavePS3]

Hey Spectre, does your Samsung have a VGA input? The 1080i through that input will be better than the Component. Not massively but you can notice it for sure.

[wavehunter]

First post here....

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

If a 1080P movie or video game is played on the Sony PS3 the Playstation 3 will correctly with no problems output 1080P or give an option to down scale the image to older displays that support 1080I, 480P, and 480I. For some reason maybe to save cost the Sony PS3 will not down scale to 720P.

Does this mean that those of us with older plasmas of the 480 ilk, there will be no improvement in upgrading to 720p for watching 1080p movies vai a PS3?

[DavePS3]

If your panel can do 720p, select 1080i on the PS3. There's so little difference between the two, no one would know which one you're running unless you tell them. On the other hand, if your display is only 480p, the PS3 will hook up and display at 480p but Blu-Ray's wouldn't look any better than regular DVD's that's for sure.

[thunderhawk]

Yup, feeding a 480p/720p/1080i/1080p signal to a 480p monitor will only show 480p.

[BTBuck1]

Funny story, I work at Best Buy...I'm the supervisor of cameras/camcorders and the car-fi depts. Yesterday I was helping a customer with HD camcorders. during the conversation he says.."i hear these are already discontinued" and points to a dvd camcorder. I replied, "No, those are actually brand new models" he then says.."well everything is going to memory card" I then replied that There are differen't ways of capturing content, be it Memory card, Hard drive, Tape or DVD that they all had benefits and that no one was going anywhere anytime soon. He then replies again that "DVD is on the way out because of High definition" And that memory card would take over disc based formats. I then said, if anything Blu-ray disc camcorders would most likely be the future over HDD or memory card. He then replied "ahh, i don't think so...they are having problems with those" I asked what problems he refered to, he said.."Blu-ray discs aren't compatible with all HD televisions"

I just kindly said..."oh I haven't read anything on that subject matter"

[DavePS3]

Man... it does show that because of so many competing formats in all areas, consumers are way off base with wrong information. They hear a rumour and consider it the word of God (or your preferable non-demoninational deity!).

Too much confusion for the consumer is NOT good.

[darkspectre]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

Hey Spectre, does your Samsung have a VGA input? The 1080i through that input will be better than the Component. Not massively but you can notice it for sure.

No, it doesn't. I could buy an adaptor...but I think I spent enough. I already bought several first-party accessories for my PS3, i.e. case, blu-ray remote, cables plus the PS3 itself...so i'll wait until I get a new HDTV with an HDMI input, instead. As for now, I'm REALLY satisfied with the picture.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

On the other hand, if your display is only 480p, the PS3 will hook up and display at 480p but Blu-Ray's wouldn't look any better than regular DVD's that's for sure.

They will look better on the 480. They'll look like you're watching the uncompressed 480p master, not the mpeg-2 compressed 480i DVD. Just imagine it's an AVC/VC-1 480p DVD at 15-35 Mb/s vs an MPEG-2 480i DVD at 5-10 Mb/s

[thunderhawk]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

Too much confusion for the consumer is NOT good.

That's the use of FUD... It helped Microsoft in their battle with Apple in the '80s and '90s...

[DavePS3]

I disagree Dec'... I've seen the PS3 doing Blu-Ray onto my sisters set and it looks the same as the SD version of the film. Same input, same picture settings.

[Deciazulado]

And I disagree with you

[HDTV1080P]

In away your both are correct. Here are two examples:

• DVD will look the same as BLU-RAY when both formats are played at 480I or 480P as long as your using a good quality DVD like a Super bit movie playing on a screen that is not to big.
• BLU-RAY played at 480I or 480P will look better then DVD with some titles. Some DVD titles you can see digital artifacts on large screens. A high bit rate BLU-RAY movie playing on a 480I or 480P display will still only deliver 720 X 480 resolution but the digital artifacts are a less a problem on BLU-RAY and some people will see the difference with very large screens.

[wavehunter]

But if 720p isn't a native output of the PS3, what will be displayed on a 720p display - 480p upscaled or 1080p downscaled?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by wavehunter

But if 720p isn't a native output of the PS3, what will be displayed on a 720p display - 480p upscaled or 1080p downscaled?

All BLU-RAY 720P videogames and 720P video documentaries will output as 720P with an option to down scale to 480P or 480I.
Most 720P displays in the last 5 years have video scalers built in that accept 1080I signals and a few well accept a 1080P signal. The 720P display will convert the 1080I or 1080P resolution from the PS3 to 720P quality. For those people that have very old 720P displays that have no scalers built in then the 720P display will only accept a 720P HDTV signal and well play 480I and 480P videos at either 480I or 480P quality. To make a long story short people that have old 720P displays can only use the PS3 at 480I or 480P. **You only need one scaler, either one in the BLU-RAY device or one in the monitor. **. I wish the PS3 could down scale to 720P and I wish it would also upscale, this would have added to the cost to the PS3 to have hardware that would do this.
Maybe one day we could see a deluxe elite version of the PS3 for $799 that had a high quality 720P down scaler and a upscaler. The market might be big enough for 3 versions of PS3. Or one day discountinue the $499 version and have only a $599 version and $699 version. Over the next year or two the prices of PS3 might come down with improved lower cost technology.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by wavehunter

But if 720p isn't a native output of the PS3, what will be displayed on a 720p display - 480p upscaled or 1080p downscaled?

Your choice

I'd select 1080i on the PS3 output in that case. But of course.
(The least you'll get that way is equivalent to 624p if your deinterlacer bobs, but you might get the whole 720p if your display's deiterlacer downscaler is optimal.)