what would you do when SHTF?

[yellowblanket]

In what is often referred to as the Zombie Apocalypse, violence and “survival of the fittest” will be taken to a new extreme. People will roam the nation’s cities, either alone or in gangs, committing acts of violence on a scale that is hard to comprehend.

The government will be quickly overwhelmed and powerless to protect its people. It will be soon be up to each individual, each family, each community to defend its own.

The term Zombies, Mutant Zombie Bikers, or the Living Dead, is frequently used to collectively refer to this group of people. They are, in essence, walking around already dead but just not aware of it yet. They have no hope. To them, it’s either take what they want and live an abundant if not horrific life, or die trying.

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i for once would really miss watching movies when the electricity is out

[Trigger89]

A zombie apocalypse is nothing. What's worse? The day when VHS becomes a revived format and replaces Blu-ray. Now that's when the SHTF. By the way, when the electricity is out, there's only one thing you can do... get a backup generator.

[ay221]

I have enough solar panels to power up my home theater. I also have several bags of popcorn stored up. So I will be ok.

[sk33tr]

i'm a bit weird as i've already thought about this on numerous occasions.

first thing i'd do is grab my emergency bags (yes, i really have some....for just about any emergency). one has some extra clothes and shoes in it and the other has things like a first-aid kit, flashlight, extra batteries.....things of that nature.

second, i'd load up all the canned food and bottled water i can fit in my truck.

third, after making sure my family is in the truck with me, i'd head over to my best friend's house. he has a few weapons and lots of ammo so we could hold out there for a while if needed. his house is on the edge of a state park so it'd be a nice hiding spot up in the hills away from.....stuff.

and i've been camping enough to know what to do when you're outside for an extended period of time.

[ChadFL]

As weird as it sounds I've spent a LOT of time over the years pondering such situations. Zombie/post apocalyptic film and literature has always been very interesting to me. But I honestly don't think I'd survive long in such a scenario. I'm not an outdoorsman and never fired a gun in my life. Then again it would be a world I really don't think I'd want to live in anyway.

[Anthony P]

since SHTF could mean anything (is it 28 days later- rabid people, the walking dead-slow zombies, revolution- no 20th century tech, 2012- disasters/earthquakes and floods, the day after tommorrow, ultra freezing temperatures......) so i can 't really see any "plans" (even though it is fun to think of it and discussing it. Just last knight with my BIL we were discussing TV shows and then Revolution and so how impossibly hard it would be. No electricity means no heating for most homes. Even if the house has a fire place most of the modern ones are more cosmetic or need electricity (for the fans) to work properly. And even if we assume the fireplace was enough where would one get all the wood needed to keep it running all winter. Also what would you do for water/toilet?... these are stuff that shows/movies can get away with. But in reality they would be major hurdles to survival.

Also ChadFL mentioned hunting, but hunting is easier, imagine farming (do we have the necessary seeds to plant? Now when to plant and what to do with what will grow since it would need to keep us all winter when hunting and planting won’t be easy/possible?

[sk33tr]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

since SHTF could mean anything (is it 28 days later- rabid people, the walking dead-slow zombies, revolution- no 20th century tech, 2012- disasters/earthquakes and floods, the day after tommorrow, ultra freezing temperatures......) so i can 't really see any "plans" (even though it is fun to think of it and discussing it. Just last knight with my BIL we were discussing TV shows and then Revolution and so how impossibly hard it would be. No electricity means no heating for most homes. Even if the house has a fire place most of the modern ones are more cosmetic or need electricity (for the fans) to work properly. And even if we assume the fireplace was enough where would one get all the wood needed to keep it running all winter. Also what would you do for water/toilet?... these are stuff that shows/movies can get away with. But in reality they would be major hurdles to survival.

Also ChadFL mentioned hunting, but hunting is easier, imagine farming (do we have the necessary seeds to plant? Now when to plant and what to do with what will grow since it would need to keep us all winter when hunting and planting won’t be easy/possible?

the wood for fires is easy enough. chop down some trees; or at least take some limbs from smaller trees/bushes/shrubs. don't have an axe? that's why i'm glad i was a boy scout....always be prepared. gotta be proactive. go buy that stuff before you NEED it and it'll greatly reduce some of the problems that will arise.
at the point it comes to an emergency, it stops being a home and becomes shelter. you can burn things in your home that will keep you warm and allow you to cook the food you have to give you time to figure some things out.

and as for no toilet, there's always those bushes again; or dig a latrine. again, this is where being a boy scout/camping comes into play.


there are definitely those that wouldn't make it. i'm not saying i definitely would, but i like my chances better than some.
and if some people are concerned about it, there are numerous courses you can take that will teach you basic survival skills in case something bad does happen.

or the next time someone asks you to go camping, tell them yes. but tell them you've never been before and will need them to show you a few things.

that's why for me, i'd head up into the mountains; just below the snow line. you can use the snow to keep frozen food frozen until it's time to cook them, or to freeze things that need to be frozen until such that time. also, there are usually springs up in the mountains that offer fresh water. and if there isn't, snow melted and boiled will make suitable drinking water.

i'm tellin' ya, it's all about the plan and being prepared. make sure you're good on both counts.

[yellowblanket]

im glad some people are openminded to the sudject. i recently got into perparing and conditioning my stress level. As much movies i watched, book i read, things ive heard. Chance are it will be very hard to rise to the challenge when shit hit the fan, i will have better chance fall on to my level of training. My wife got into storing water and can food for emergency, as for me, i think i have enough ammunition and guns to start a small war lol.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sk33tr

the wood for fires is easy enough. chop down some trees; or at least take some limbs from smaller trees/bushes/shrubs. don't have an axe? that's why i'm glad i was a boy scout....always be prepared. gotta be proactive. go buy that stuff before you NEED it and it'll greatly reduce some of the problems that will arise.
at the point it comes to an emergency, it stops being a home and becomes shelter. you can burn things in your home that will keep you warm and allow you to cook the food you have to give you time to figure some things out.

and as for no toilet, there's always those bushes again; or dig a latrine. again, this is where being a boy scout/camping comes into play.


there are definitely those that wouldn't make it. i'm not saying i definitely would, but i like my chances better than some.
and if some people are concerned about it, there are numerous courses you can take that will teach you basic survival skills in case something bad does happen.

or the next time someone asks you to go camping, tell them yes. but tell them you've never been before and will need them to show you a few things.

that's why for me, i'd head up into the mountains; just below the snow line. you can use the snow to keep frozen food frozen until it's time to cook them, or to freeze things that need to be frozen until such that time. also, there are usually springs up in the mountains that offer fresh water. and if there isn't, snow melted and boiled will make suitable drinking water.

i'm tellin' ya, it's all about the plan and being prepared. make sure you're good on both counts.

no offence, but that is just crazy talk. Did you even read the OP? this is not about camping on a nice sunny day but a EOW discussion, with possibly zombies and/or warlord-gangs type of scenarios. Will you really go outside for a dump (or build a latrine) just to be caught with your pants down? And maybe burning some branches from the trees in your yard, a bit of furniture might work for where you live in Alabama, but that is not the reality here where my furnace has been running since last month and there will be several months of constantly below freezing and some days (possibly more than a week at a time) in Jan and Feb where it will be around -30 (where the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales meet). Also did you even think that chopping down wood or having a fire going in the fire place might garner some unwanted attention.

Also you talk about going to the mountains, but have you realized that it might be the same idea as countless other people trying to escape and survive the EOW? how do you know you will make it there and not be killed in a hellish traffic jam? even if we assume you make it, how do you know that some other group of people with the same idea won't com up there and be better armed?

Most of the stuff you mentioned that you believe makes you "ready" and mean that you will survive have been the death of people in a lot of disaster/ apocalyptic/post apocalyptic films.

[sk33tr]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no offence, but that is just crazy talk. Did you even read the OP? this is not about camping on a nice sunny day but a EOW discussion, with possibly zombies and/or warlord-gangs type of scenarios. Will you really go outside for a dump (or build a latrine) just to be caught with your pants down? And maybe burning some branches from the trees in your yard, a bit of furniture might work for where you live in Alabama, but that is not the reality here where my furnace has been running since last month and there will be several months of constantly below freezing and some days (possibly more than a week at a time) in Jan and Feb where it will be around -30 (where the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales meet). Also did you even think that chopping down wood or having a fire going in the fire place might garner some unwanted attention.

Also you talk about going to the mountains, but have you realized that it might be the same idea as countless other people trying to escape and survive the EOW? how do you know you will make it there and not be killed in a hellish traffic jam? even if we assume you make it, how do you know that some other group of people with the same idea won't com up there and be better armed?

Most of the stuff you mentioned that you believe makes you "ready" and mean that you will survive have been the death of people in a lot of disaster/ apocalyptic/post apocalyptic films.

yes, i did read the op.

and nowhere did i say it is like camping on a nice, sunny day. i know he is talking about an eow event. and i can understand where a lot of people might misunderstand what i meant by what i said.

of course i don't believe that just knowing how to go camping outside will keep me safe from harm and ensure my survival. if my words came across that way, then i apologize for misleading anyone.
i was merely attempting to state that knowing some things about camping (starting fires without matches/a lighter, building shelter without a tent, digging a latrine, finding safe drinking water, etc.) can help PREPARE you for things that a lot of people would have trouble going through without that knowledge.

and of course i don't know (noone does) how bad traffic would be when attempting to go up into the mountains. and i realize that there will always be people who are better armed than myself and my family and friends.
i was attempting to NOT type everything on here of which i've thought. if i did, it would be a few pages long and boring as hell to just about everyone.
so forgive me for not putting down everything i've thought about in the past few years.

and i never said anything about building a fire in the fireplace. i believe that was another poster who mentioned fireplaces. we don't have a fireplace in my home, but you can be damn sure i could build a fire in here if we needed it for warmth or to cook. and yes the smoke would draw unwanted attention. there are not many things that wouldn't dray unwanted attention. fires have smoke, food has smells, people makes sounds. it's all part of surviving. it's what you have to deal with to make it through.

as well, i never said any of the things i posted would make me "ready". noone would be "ready" for an eow like the ones being discussed here. but being more prepared for things will help ensure survival for longer periods than those that aren't.

and since you live in a place that has really cold weather for good bit of the year, you should know how to survive outside for extended periods of time. if not then that's on you, not me.

what i posted in my previous post should not be taken as a way or means to survive a horrific event such as a zombie apocalypse, a nuclear armageddon or any such eow event. i was simply stating there are things that can help prepare people for such things so they aren't caught off-guard without food, clothing, shelter, etc.

as for me, i have lists/spreadsheets of things i think i'd need in case of several types of disasters. that's just the way i am.

everyone is free to make their own decisions on how best to serve themselves.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by yellowblanket

im glad some people are openminded to the sudject. i recently got into perparing and conditioning my stress level. As much movies i watched, book i read, things ive heard. Chance are it will be very hard to rise to the challenge when shit hit the fan, i will have better chance fall on to my level of training. My wife got into storing water and can food for emergency, as for me, i think i have enough ammunition and guns to start a small war lol.

I think it is fun to discus. But honestly I think you need to be crazy to believe that you will survive. Water, canned goods and guns might help you survive something small but SHTF by definition would require you to survive for ever on what you do. I also find it funny since unless you are a in a Unibomber type of scenario you don't know where you will be. It might be nice to have all that in your home or cottage, but if you are on vacation out of town, at work..... you probably won't even make it to your safe-place bunker. Don't get me wrong, it is good to be prepared for the small stuff (like power going out for a week or a natural disaster like a hurricane .....) but you can't really be ready for STHF.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sk33tr

yes, i did read the op.

and nowhere did i say it is like camping on a nice, sunny day. i know he is talking about an eow event. and i can understand where a lot of people might misunderstand what i meant by what i said.

of course i don't believe that just knowing how to go camping outside will keep me safe from harm and ensure my survival. if my words came across that way, then i apologize for misleading anyone.
i was merely attempting to state that knowing some things about camping (starting fires without matches/a lighter, building shelter without a tent, digging a latrine, finding safe drinking water, etc.) can help PREPARE you for things that a lot of people would have trouble going through without that knowledge.

and of course i don't know (noone does) how bad traffic would be when attempting to go up into the mountains. and i realize that there will always be people who are better armed than myself and my family and friends.
i was attempting to NOT type everything on here of which i've thought. if i did, it would be a few pages long and boring as hell to just about everyone.
so forgive me for not putting down everything i've thought about in the past few years.

and i never said anything about building a fire in the fireplace. i believe that was another poster who mentioned fireplaces. we don't have a fireplace in my home, but you can be damn sure i could build a fire in here if we needed it for warmth or to cook. and yes the smoke would draw unwanted attention. there are not many things that wouldn't dray unwanted attention. fires have smoke, food has smells, people makes sounds. it's all part of surviving. it's what you have to deal with to make it through.

as well, i never said any of the things i posted would make me "ready". noone would be "ready" for an eow like the ones being discussed here. but being more prepared for things will help ensure survival for longer periods than those that aren't.

and since you live in a place that has really cold weather for good bit of the year, you should know how to survive outside for extended periods of time. if not then that's on you, not me.

what i posted in my previous post should not be taken as a way or means to survive a horrific event such as a zombie apocalypse, a nuclear armageddon or any such eow event. i was simply stating there are things that can help prepare people for such things so they aren't caught off-guard without food, clothing, shelter, etc.

as for me, i have lists/spreadsheets of things i think i'd need in case of several types of disasters. that's just the way i am.

everyone is free to make their own decisions on how best to serve themselves.

the sunny day comment was a bit sarcastic. I know you diid not say it will be like camping on a sunny day. But I always find it funny when people think they will have a better/best chance of survival in an EOW scenario since they always miss a lot of the obvious.

Take your previous post you talked about going outside to do your buisness, where the assumption is that it is not safe. You missed the obvious that a toilet seat (for comfort) attached to a bucket and doing it indoors and emptying out doors (either through a window or actualy gowing out for a second) would be a lot safer and more pleasent (I know alabama is a lot warmeer, but would you want to go out on a cold winters day/night to take a dump?).

You mentioned now that you don't have a fire place but that if it was for warmth or cooking that you would build a fire place indoors. No offence but that is a sure fire way to kill yourself and your familly. In 1998 there was a big ice storm in this area. when the temperature is just right ( just below freezing on the ground and above high in the air) you have what is called freezing rain (i.e. it looks like rain coming down but as soon as it touches an object it freezes into ice). Now freezing rain does happen a few times a year, but that winter it was several days of a lot of rain and a large area.

you had and a lot of trees were damaged and their falling branches damaged power lines
and


the steel towwers that bring the high voltage got bent out of shape due to the weight of the ice.

some places did not get power back for weeks. At my place I had to move out and move in with my grandmother for a few days, after toughing it out a couple of days. But to get back to my point some peope got your bright idea of babecuing indoors (or the garage) and they did not fare that well. Not only can a fire go out of controle and burn the place down but even in a best situatuion smoke inhalation can be deadly.

I agree it is good to know how to start a fire without matches. And I think it pays to be ready for day to day disasters like what to do in case the power goes out for a long time or an earthquake or flooding. But I think it does not make sense to assume you are prepared for an EOW type of scenario. I might know how to start a fire, I might have gone hunting and killed deer, I might make my own tomato puree in the fall to have all year, I might make my own jams during blueberry/raspberry/strawberry season. But all of those tasks depend on today’s technology. No matter how many bullets you have, sooner or later they will run out, if you can’t freeze meat it ca go bad real fast and maybe you can salt it to make salami and stuff but where will you find the salt needed, the tomato sauce I make uses the blender and a bit of herbs and some sugar and salt, and I have never planted enough tomatoes (and freezing won’t work), and jams need pectin and sugar that will eventually run out.


My point is simply that people don’t realize how drastically we are dependent on technology and how easy it is to make a plan that will work for a normal size disaster but that is meaningless in an EOW scenario. As humans we don’t live with the idea of no modern day tech and so if that ever happens our lifes are not build for it.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by yellowblanket

In what is often referred to as the Zombie Apocalypse, violence and “survival of the fittest” will be taken to a new extreme. People will roam the nation’s cities, either alone or in gangs, committing acts of violence on a scale that is hard to comprehend.

The government will be quickly overwhelmed and powerless to protect its people. It will be soon be up to each individual, each family, each community to defend its own.

The precursors to this have already happened, and been stopped in their tracks. The government was not overwhelmed by Ebola or Marburg attacks. The zombie fantasies, based on the medieval plagues in Europe and Asia Minor, make parallels that have many breaks in common sense.

It is easy to underestimate the ferocity with which human beings defend their lives and property. It is much easier for a menace to sidle it's way into power - "it's just a concentration camp, we won't kill you" worked for Pol Pot, Hitler, and many others. But when faced with flat-out annihilation, human bind together and don't stop fighting until the last dog dies.

End of the world scenarios always feature an implacable fate - plague, nuclear warfare, zombies - and amplify the lunacy and selfishness of humans in the face of such disaster. They are cautionary tales. But even in the worst scenarios, where the insane may be the best equipped to deal with a new reality, it is hard to try to lord over a harem when zombies are pounding at the door. The "subjects" of such satraps, and their henchman, will ultimately turn away from the undead enemy to kill one such as their warlord - and it has happened many times.

It will be war, to the knife, and the boneheads to try to make power plays in that scenario will pop up often - and get popped as a result. Either the zombies survive, or the humans. There is no detente.

[ChadFL]

Not to be offensive to the Katrina survivors, as it was an epic fail by all levels of government. But I think when SHTF like like a zombie apocalypse things would look a lot like this times a million. Most folks would sort of stand around waiting for answers to come down from above (either "god" or government). Obviously those answers would come too late or more likely never. That's probably where the herd would be thinned out and something like 90%+ of the population would be lost. In a modern society like America survival skills more or less don't exist anymore.

[sk33tr]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

[Show spoiler]the sunny day comment was a bit sarcastic. I know you diid not say it will be like camping on a sunny day. But I always find it funny when people think they will have a better/best chance of survival in an EOW scenario since they always miss a lot of the obvious.

Take your previous post you talked about going outside to do your buisness, where the assumption is that it is not safe. You missed the obvious that a toilet seat (for comfort) attached to a bucket and doing it indoors and emptying out doors (either through a window or actualy gowing out for a second) would be a lot safer and more pleasent (I know alabama is a lot warmeer, but would you want to go out on a cold winters day/night to take a dump?).

You mentioned now that you don't have a fire place but that if it was for warmth or cooking that you would build a fire place indoors. No offence but that is a sure fire way to kill yourself and your familly. In 1998 there was a big ice storm in this area. when the temperature is just right ( just below freezing on the ground and above high in the air) you have what is called freezing rain (i.e. it looks like rain coming down but as soon as it touches an object it freezes into ice). Now freezing rain does happen a few times a year, but that winter it was several days of a lot of rain and a large area.

you had and a lot of trees were damaged and their falling branches damaged power lines
and


the steel towwers that bring the high voltage got bent out of shape due to the weight of the ice.

some places did not get power back for weeks. At my place I had to move out and move in with my grandmother for a few days, after toughing it out a couple of days. But to get back to my point some peope got your bright idea of babecuing indoors (or the garage) and they did not fare that well. Not only can a fire go out of controle and burn the place down but even in a best situatuion smoke inhalation can be deadly.

I agree it is good to know how to start a fire without matches. And I think it pays to be ready for day to day disasters like what to do in case the power goes out for a long time or an earthquake or flooding. But I think it does not make sense to assume you are prepared for an EOW type of scenario. I might know how to start a fire, I might have gone hunting and killed deer, I might make my own tomato puree in the fall to have all year, I might make my own jams during blueberry/raspberry/strawberry season. But all of those tasks depend on today’s technology. No matter how many bullets you have, sooner or later they will run out, if you can’t freeze meat it ca go bad real fast and maybe you can salt it to make salami and stuff but where will you find the salt needed, the tomato sauce I make uses the blender and a bit of herbs and some sugar and salt, and I have never planted enough tomatoes (and freezing won’t work), and jams need pectin and sugar that will eventually run out.


My point is simply that people don’t realize how drastically we are dependent on technology and how easy it is to make a plan that will work for a normal size disaster but that is meaningless in an EOW scenario. As humans we don’t live with the idea of no modern day tech and so if that ever happens our lifes are not build for it.

i didn't miss any point. just because i didn't post it does not mean i missed it. like posted previously, there are many things of which i've thought that i didn't put down here for reasons of sheer size of the post.
and i've been outside before when the temp was close to 20 below zero. and yes, i spent more than just a few minutes out there. i realize i didn't spend more than a couple hours, like might be required for this "event", but i have been where it gets cold, so don't assume that just because i'm in alabama i've never been anywhere THAT cold.

and about the fire (again), i've done that before with no problems. if done correctly, it can be controlled. sure, preparations must be made; but again that's one of the things i'm talking about here......preparations.

and you speak of keeping meat frozen. if you go back and read one of me previous posts, i talk about going up into the mountains just below the snow line. i then go on to talk about using the snow to keep frozen things frozen as well as using the snow for other things.

i've been through an ice storm. we lost power for a few days. it was difficult, but we cam through it. again, it was nothing like a world-wide catastrophe, but i have been through things like that.

a lot of people assume that just because i/e live in alabama that we have no idea how to survive really cold winters. well, some of us do.

[GORT]

No Modern Tech or electricity needed just add boiling water. for that I have two back backing stoves one runs on canned fuel the other on plain old rubbing alcohol. The people who stand in line for I phones are the ones who have to worry not me I learned how to hunt,camp,fish and survive at an early age which I am passing on to my son.
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[sk33tr]

Originally Posted by GORT

No Modern Tech or electricity needed just add boiling water. for that I have two back backing stoves one runs on canned fuel the other on plain old rubbing alcohol. The people who stand in line for I phones are the ones who have to worry not me I learned how to hunt,camp,fish and survive at an early age which I am passing on to my son.
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now THAT'S what i'm talkin' 'bout.

some (certainly not all) of those meals like that are delicious.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sk33tr

i didn't miss any point.

yes you did and you are still missing it. In the EOW scenario it is not about knowing how to start a fire with out matches, hunting skills or supplies. His question does not say what happened but can you answer me how your "preparedness" and being in the boy scouts will help you survive an atomic bomb falling 3" from your face? Or how about if this happens due to an illness much worst then the beubonic plague (since let's face it humanity in Europe easily survived the plague) that kills 90% of people does your list have a way to make sure that you don't get ill? .... Now the "disaster" could be short or long lived, but let's forget it for a second, the next step is simple survival, right, hiding out and consuming. You have some water, rations, cans, combustible, bullets (defence and hunting)...? But how long will they last? Gort showed those rations that he has, but think of it how many would he need for a year? he has an alcohol stove but how much alcohol does he have? the simple reality is that as long as you have supplies (assuming you are well stocked) you will be a prime target. The next step might be scavenging, that might go on for a long time for some stuff (a knife might last for many years) but not for others. And one by one you will get to the point where you either do without or find a way to replace them (hunting might help with food but you will need to farm to add something more to the meal, you might have a few outfits/shoes and you might patch them, but sooner or later you will need to make your own outfits/cloth and shoes, bullets get used up fast, so you will need to build your own weapons).... and that means needing to rebuild some sort of society since a single person or a single family can't do that by themselves (being a large group also helps against attacks from rival groups.

and i've been outside before when the temp was close to 20 below zero. and yes, i spent more than just a few minutes out there. i realize i didn't spend more than a couple hours, like might be required for this "event", but i have been where it gets cold, so don't assume that just because i'm in alabama i've never been anywhere THAT cold.

and about the fire (again), i've done that before with no problems. if done correctly, it can be controlled. sure, preparations must be made; but again that's one of the things i'm talking about here......preparations.

and you speak of keeping meat frozen. if you go back and read one of me previous posts, i talk about going up into the mountains just below the snow line. i then go on to talk about using the snow to keep frozen things frozen as well as using the snow for other things.

i've been through an ice storm. we lost power for a few days. it was difficult, but we cam through it. again, it was nothing like a world-wide catastrophe, but i have been through things like that.

a lot of people assume that just because i/e live in alabama that we have no idea how to survive really cold winters. well, some of us do.

You missed the point, I never assumed you don't know what you are talking about just because you are from Alabama, I brought up the ice storm because you said

"we don't have a fireplace in my home, but you can be damn sure i could build a fire in here if we needed it for warmth or to cook"

And I pointed out some people had that same dumb idea with extremely bad consequences. Obviously in an EOW discussion it is not like the ice storm where there were much better alternatives and if you really don't have a choice you don't have a choice. but it is not smart to have a large enough fire (one that can heat up or cook food) going in the home without proper ventilation of the smoke. It can easily be lethal.

[sk33tr]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

yes you did and you are still missing it. In the EOW scenario it is not about knowing how to start a fire with out matches, hunting skills or supplies. His question does not say what happened but can you answer me how your "preparedness" and being in the boy scouts will help you survive an atomic bomb falling 3" from your face? Or how about if this happens due to an illness much worst then the beubonic plague (since let's face it humanity in Europe easily survived the plague) that kills 90% of people does your list have a way to make sure that you don't get ill? .... Now the "disaster" could be short or long lived, but let's forget it for a second, the next step is simple survival, right, hiding out and consuming. You have some water, rations, cans, combustible, bullets (defence and hunting)...? But how long will they last? Gort showed those rations that he has, but think of it how many would he need for a year? he has an alcohol stove but how much alcohol does he have? the simple reality is that as long as you have supplies (assuming you are well stocked) you will be a prime target. The next step might be scavenging, that might go on for a long time for some stuff (a knife might last for many years) but not for others. And one by one you will get to the point where you either do without or find a way to replace them (hunting might help with food but you will need to farm to add something more to the meal, you might have a few outfits/shoes and you might patch them, but sooner or later you will need to make your own outfits/cloth and shoes, bullets get used up fast, so you will need to build your own weapons).... and that means needing to rebuild some sort of society since a single person or a single family can't do that by themselves (being a large group also helps against attacks from rival groups.




You missed the point, I never assumed you don't know what you are talking about just because you are from Alabama, I brought up the ice storm because you said

"we don't have a fireplace in my home, but you can be damn sure i could build a fire in here if we needed it for warmth or to cook"

And I pointed out some people had that same dumb idea with extremely bad consequences. Obviously in an EOW discussion it is not like the ice storm where there were much better alternatives and if you really don't have a choice you don't have a choice. but it is not smart to have a large enough fire (one that can heat up or cook food) going in the home without proper ventilation of the smoke. It can easily be lethal.

yeah, noted.

everything you typed.

i've let it go.

i've moved on.

ding, ding, ding. you win.

you're the winner.

we'll all die and you'll survive.

good luck with that.










and just so we're clear, this post is

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sk33tr

we'll all die and you'll survive.

when did I say that, you realy don't get it. For normal disasters being prepared helps a lot with survival. In this type of discussion it might add a few days or weeks but in the end LUCK for lack of a better word will determine who lives and who dies. There are no universally right or wrong answers.