Xbox 360 Version 2: Zephyr

[shido]

Originally Posted by jorg

the game can only be one native relosution the xbox upsclaas it

Well, supposedly the 360 renders the game natively at the resolutions listed on the box. If the resolution doesn't appear on the box, it scales it. That's why some of my games only lists 720p, but I'm still playing it at 1080i. Of course, Microsoft might have just changed their policy on how they label the resolutions on the packaging, and are now just listing all the resolutions regardless if they're being scaled or not. But in the past they were actually rendering the game in different resolutions as a PC would.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Pasha

GOD
some people just refuse to look at both sides of the story.


First off
360 has some of the best Exclusives, such as Gears of War and halo
and no matter what u say, you know that those games are amazingly good
and until sony has a MUST have game such a killzone 2 or metal gear solid come out, 360 still has the edge. it doesnt matter how much better the system is, as long a the games a fun, then that brings in customers, just look at the wii
and by MS doing this, it shows that they are quite smart ( ) i kno its hard to believe, they see there flaws and they see the Ps3 advantages and there tryiing to make it a more evenly fought battle. also keep in mind, since ms is going to do this, it shows, that they see how much Potential the ps3 has

Both sides of the story..glad you brought it up...disappointing you failed to actually mention both sides though.

Games
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RFOM is way better and a lot more fun than Gears and it isn't over in 5 hours. Has there ever been a shorter game than Gears? Guess they could have used a blu-ray drive. The on-line play isn't even a contest in RFOM's favor.
Motorstorm is about as much fun as someone should be allowed to have.
F1 is already way ahead of any racing game on the 360 or anything even on the distant horizon. Plenty of must have games you failed to mention. Oh yeah Oblivion. Again much nicer on the PS3.

All of that despite at least a year's less dev time.

Sorry. No edge. Quantity isn't quality. The quality of the PS3 games just spank the 360 already. It's called next gen for a reason. Richer, larger, more interesting, more fun.

Price
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I can spend more to get 360 + HD-DVD and still end up with less than a 60GB PS3. And have to pay for on-line on top of it. And wireless re-chargers. No thanks. The 360 was already more expensive by the time you had a usable system now it's even worse for still less.

Wait
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Why bother when next year they will come out with another 360 that has a blu-ray drive.. I mean they've been saying for 18 months that HDMI was unnecessary (because the PS3 had it) and it turned out to be a crock - and they are still saying the same thing about blu-ray (because the PS3 has it) - so it's pretty well a lock they will be shipping a new 360 in another 18 mths - think I'll just wait and see. Wouldn't want to be buying it 3 times. Well maybe your right - smart for them - dumb for the consumer.

Reliability
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Also think I'll wait and see if they don't have the same horrible failure rates as the last one - just in case. Wouldn't want to rush out and go thru the pain the legacy 360 owners have had to endure.

Price
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Aren't consoles supposed to get cheaper as time goes on..not more expensive? Dumb for the consumer - nothing smart about it for them.

Disregard for customers
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Maybe if they would have announced it as road map at the beginning and I could have made an informed decision. But of course they didn't do that so they could dump their other mis-designed product on everyone else.

Treadmill
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If I wanted to upgrade my console hardware every year I would have bought a PC that let's me do more than the 360 in the first place...of course I can just install Linux on the PS3 anyway and of course that nice slot-loading blu-ray drive. No brick power supply either - all nice and neat and tidy.

Solution
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Here's an idea - if you really feel the need to play Gears go over to a friends like my son did - it will only take 5 hours - be quick though - like many others his friend was trying to sell it to so he could buy a PS3. Better hurry before the stampede of people ditching their 360's for the PS3 now that they have admitted the PS3 is way ahead of them.

Instead buy from a company that took the time to get it right and serve the best interests of ALL their customers despite the hit they took - by delaying their release (win-win) - instead of this fiasco and the consumers that were nothing more than cannon fodder (win-lose).

Savings
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Instead spend $700 to buy a boatload of the better quality PS3 games or another PS3 plus some BD movies on a console that won't be obsolete within a year and has free-online as well.

Lesson to live by
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Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice and I get what I deserve.

Oh yeah forgot about Sixaxis for another dimension in gaming..like Flow .. and no doubt in Home. A 3D world needs a controller to match..

[MrBogey]

Did you notice how the 360 fans were saying 500$+ is too much for a system. So now the new 360 is 480$. Not that big of a difference.

Everything is horrible till their system does it. Though this really is a big FU to the first gen owners who were having problems. It reduces them to beta-testers who had to pay to play.

[mikewills]

The fact that it's black, has people interested. Who cares??? This POS is $479, $20 less that a 20gig PS3, but doesn't offer a next gen drive or wireless. So much for Microcrap's faith in HD-DVD. Initially, folks were bagging on the PS3 because of price. Probably, the same dipshits that'll buy this new 360. PS3 all the way!!!

[jason]

wow attack of the fanboys....

I have never played the 360 yet, but from experience with the ps3 and the wii... Im really not impressed at all, I have 7 ps3 games and honestly I think I had more fun with my sega and mk2, or super mario with my nes.

and for whomever said relaibility in the ps3???? blu-ray has been around 4-5 years, and mass marketed for under 1 year.... please dont say how reliable these machines will be compared to the standard red laser based.

[POOPonYOU]

I've played Gears of War and still get together for Halo LAN parties with my friends. Gears of War was cool but only for about 30 mins. Our HALO LAN parties are HALO 1 Exclusives. MS didn't do as good a job on the 2nd installment. People say that the PS3 lacked titles at launch but what did MS offer? Perfect Dark Zero? Oh yeah, that's why I sold the darn thing

In regards to reliability, it's true that the 360 is horrible. I have 3 friends who's 360's I replaced at a EBGames that another friend manages.

I was hoping that MS would have released a 360 with a built in HD DVD drive because there are movies that I want that aren't Blu. Unfortunately MS rather deliver a revised system that doesn't offer much more and keep it below PS3 pricing. Last thing MS wants is Sony telling them, we told you so.

[Nismobeach]

This wasn't even a surprise given that this is the same company that charges $200-300 for a new OS and $100-200 for a word processing program.

This is yet more proof that Sony for all of their missteps got it right the first time with the PS3.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Nismobeach

This wasn't even a surprise given that this is the same company that charges $200-300 for a new OS and $100-200 for a word processing program.

This is yet more proof that Sony for all of their missteps got it right the first time with the PS3.

Office Ultimate is more like 500-600. Crazy. Where's the Time article headlines about how ridiculous THAT is? Better things to do with my money.

Yes Sony Playstation did - that was the whole point. They waited to get it right instead of using their consumers as cannon fodder. MS always first, consumer second - just pawns to be used in *their* war. HD-DVD same story. Best interests of consumer nowhere in sight. And before anybody gives the competition crap and corporation justification - Sony Playstation did take the hit by putting the consumers long term interest first in the belief that was also ultimately in their interest as well. It's a win-win for both. Still competing in a consumer friendly way.

Given a choice I'd prefer doing business with a company that gets it than one that doesn't - across the board.

Pointing it out doesn't make anybody a fanboy...just sensible .. based on looking at the facts of what was being offered despite all the misinformation and shills saying otherwise. It was simple - the PS3 was everything (and more) what I was expecting the 360 to be. I bought the original Xbox because of the potential I saw - while everyone else was buying PS2's. But in order to beat Sony they rushed out the 360 - instead of focusing on their customers. And in order to cover up that fact they did that the trash talking about hdmi and just about everything else was their solution - and now we see the truth.

Meanwhile Sony Playstation stayed above it and acted like PROFESSIONALS.

If there are any flaws in what I said or upon reading doesn't strike a chord of truth then I'd be glad to hear it.

Not being gullable doesn't make people a fanboy. Ignoring a pattern of behavior and spending your money foolishly does.

[Blu Tiger]

Forget all this buy PS3 over 360 or visa versa. Just buy them all. I was going to buy another 360 anyways. Can you say LAN party?

[victorvondoom88]

I cant believe how people stick up for microsoft when they do stuff like this.
I jut got my 360 in December and this totally pisses me off. Outside of gears they(360) don't have shit for games except Rainbow Six: Vegas which is coming to the PS3 so that doesn't matter. Halo 3 I am tired of hearing about it, the first two halo's don't impress me at all. If the graphics are really good like gears the game will be short as hell due to the DVD-9 disc size. Unless they bring back the DVD-18 which I doubt they will.

I like how you will be able to "upgrade" your existing 360 HD to the 120gb for under 200.00, how much you want to bet it will be 199.00. That is weak when the new console will only be 80.00 more than the premium one I bought 2 months ago.

This whole "tivo" like service they are going to have who f'n cares I already have a tivo that doesn't crash like the 360. At least 12 failed boot ups on my console. My gf's brother in law's 360 died in 1 day= drive failure.

Their reasoning behind no next gen drive = the format hasn't proven itself yet. Way to support your HD-DVD format microcrap.

Must have something to do with blu-ray outselling HD-DVD nearly 2 to 1

That is the lamest excuse for not putting what should be in the console I have ever heard.

Another thing that irritates me is microsoft saying they would support the console for 5 years. Well we are what 14-16 months in and now there is a revision already. They must use a different calendar than I do.
I wonder how long it will be before the come out with the one that actually has a next gen drive in it?

Sony says they will support there consoles for 10 years.

When are people going to realize they are nickle and diming the customer so they wont have to spend as much on development. The 99.00 wireless adapter, re-chargeable battery packs and coming soon the 200.00 HD.
I even read on a forum where a guy was defending the 200.00 price point for the new HD saying it isn't a regular HD. It is just a laptop HD in a weired application specific "case".

Sony has instructions on how to take the HD out of the PS3 and upgrade it yourself.
I for one can't wait until blu-ray puts the final nails in the coffin of HD-DVD and I hope like hell they will prevent microsoft on using blu-ray in the xbox consoles for a long time.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by victorvondoom88

I cant believe how people stick up for microsoft when they do stuff like this.
I jut got my 360 in December and this totally pisses me off.

Another thing that irritates me is microsoft saying they would support the console for 5 years. Well we are what 14-16 months in and now there is a revision already. They must use a different calendar than I do.
I wonder how long it will be before the come out with the one that actually has a next gen drive in it?

Sony says they will support there consoles for 10 years.

When are people going to realize they are nickle and diming the customer so they wont have to spend as much on development. The 99.00 wireless adapter, re-chargeable battery packs and coming soon the 200.00 HD.
I even read on a forum where a guy was defending the 200.00 price point for the new HD saying it isn't a regular HD. It is just a laptop HD in a wired application specific "case".

Sony has instructions on how to take the HD out of the PS3 and upgrade it yourself.
I for one can't wait until blu-ray puts the final nails in the coffin of HD-DVD and I hope like hell they will prevent microsoft on using blu-ray in the xbox consoles for a long time.

Don't confuse people sticking up for them and trolls and sockpuppets.

Price and Value
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I have said for along time the 360 is more expensive than the PS3. People don't believe it until they buy one and keep going back to the store to get things that were included in the PS3..They also constantly kept/keep comparing the 60GB PS3 to the 360 instead of the 20GB PS3 (apples to apples) on the price front.

They also liked to conveniently ignored the on-line cost while claiming it's one of the reasons you wanted a 360 instead..in the same paragraph as they claim the PS3 is more expensive.

Fanboys and trolls don't like you pointing out those truths...and now they have their "reputations" to protect over this fiasco...

Embarrassing lack of value
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All those people that egged on their friends are now looking like they have egg on their faces because it's going to cost their "friends" double/triple what it would have cost to get a PS3 in the first place and still have less functionality, choices and options - now and in the future. So now everyone should buy multiple consoles because one company built something barely better than the original Xbox.

Yeah sure. I'll get right on that.

Everything the PS3 needs to match features is software - everything 360 needs to match PS3 features is hardware - still. No sixaxis either. Simple really - in another 18mths get ready for another 360 when the devs start running out of drive space for games and the PS3 pulls even further ahead.

Expensive and obsolete
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So whats that now with taxes - $1400-1800 at the end of the day - and mark my words those existing units will be made obsolete faster than you can say "boo" and you won't have a choice.

How
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They will give some crap about firmware issues and how the new live service can't work them or it's too much work and we would rather focus on the delivering the best experience on the latest systems and if you don't like it tough buy a newer console.

First step will probably be forcing everyone to buy a HD because games will start requiring it. All of a sudden that "cheap" Core version isn't looking so cheap. And 1080 games will start working better on HDMI and have annoying issues on component .. pushing you to upgrade to the HDMI because your fed up with it...and then a HiDef drive. Expect more incompatibilities and problems with all these different configurations as well. Just like the PC world.

Enforced obsolescence and upgrades is in your future. It ain't over yet. Now if there wasn't a better choice that's one thing...but there is...rather buy several PS3's that were built to last and have LAN parties with those myself.

Solution to escape
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It may be a hard pill to swallow but people are better off dumping a 360 now because it's going to happen to you in another 18mths - that's your future. Forever. It's the PC model not the console model. And it always was.

You can lead a horse to water..

[Blu Tiger]

Hey, I'm a bigger video game fan than most. I love my PS3, but besides using it as a blu-ray player, it is pretty unimpressive so far. I like my 360 way more right now.

[POOPonYOU]

Originally Posted by kiddtigger

Hey, I'm a bigger video game fan than most. I love my PS3, but besides using it as a blu-ray player, it is pretty unimpressive so far. I like my 360 way more right now.

And let me guess, you loved your PS2 way more after the XBOX had only been out for 4 months. Don't get me wrong, I love the XBOX but not so much the 360.

[kknight]

ever since I bought my PS3, don't even touch my 360 anymore. There's only two reasons why I'm keeping my 360, 1) Dead or Alive 4 & 2) Shenmue 2 (xbox) which I can not play on my 360 . If it weren't for those two games, I'll be getting rid of my 360.

[Blu Tiger]

And Crackdown, Viva Pinata, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Gears of War. Don't get me wrong. I do like my PS3, but the 360 has way better games right now, and I like their online servies better than PS3. The 360 menu is better too, and let's not forget about 360 achievements: they're like crack. The PS3 also should have included some kind of light synth program like the 360 has for when you play music. All this might change once the PS3 starts having better titles, but for right now: the 360 is king.

[kknight]

Originally Posted by kiddtigger

And Crackdown, Viva Pinata, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Gears of War. Don't get me wrong. I do like my PS3, but the 360 has way better games right now, and I like their online servies better than PS3. The 360 menu is better too, and let's not forget about 360 achievements: they're like crack. The PS3 also should have included some kind of light synth program like the 360 has for when you play music. All this might change once the PS3 starts having better titles, but for right now: the 360 is king.

Crackdown - played the demo, not bad but not my type of game.
Viva Pinata - saw videos, looks kiddish.
Lost Planet - best graphics I've seen on the 360, this is a great game but not a must-have game.
Dead Rising - more frusterating then enjoying the game.
Gears of War - impressive at first, lost interest later and now I just want to beat it to get it over with...

As for PS3, I'm enjoying games like Motorstorm, Resistance, F1, Virtua Fighter 5 and soon Virtua Tennis 3 and Oblivion... I like the PS3 interface better, 1080p graphics (looks razor sharp compare to 360), smoother and quicker response, blue tooth technology, stored photos, full 1080p trailers, better controllers, touch-sensitive technology, tray-less player, quieter console, ...

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by kiddtigger

The PS3 also should have included some kind of light synth program like the 360 has for when you play music.

You have a PS3 and you didn't know the PS3 does this? Strange. What else did you miss..hardly a reliable source of information.

The other points have been refuted already..repeatedly.

[Blu Tiger]

Easy there tiger. I'm not so sure about the PS3 having a light synth. You only have to pick one or the other if you don't have the money for both. I LOVE videogames. I have 2 dreamcasts, 2 xbox's, 2 PS2's, a gamecube, a PSP, a DS, a Xbox 360, and a PS3 with 350 games between them. I love all the systems, including the PS3. When the PS3 has more than three titles that I even want to buy, it might dethrone the 360, but I'll say it again: right now the 360 is KING!!! And the 360 controller blows the PS3's dual shock rehash out of the water.

[victorvondoom88]

All the 360 fans should read this thread. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=5445
It cracks me up at all the threads about dead 360's even over at the xbox forums. Though they try allot harder to rationalize the problems.

[Blu Tiger]

I've had one since it came out. Haven't had a single problem with mine.