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J_UNTITLED · 03-05-2008, 08:29 PM

Home Media Magazine has pulled out all the stops of late in reporting about the supposed failing future of Blu-ray...

Toshiba Eyes Upconverting DVD Players, Downloads

Report: Niche Product to Grow With On Demand

Canadian Firm Eyes Digital Kiosks

The first one is, granted, funny.

Heart_Collector · 03-05-2008, 08:35 PM

All this crap was said about CD's...in fact, in that last one, it's STILL being said about CD's. Some people are cheap and lazy enough to just download their entertainment, but not enough to completely kill the way it's done.

Bigdog · 03-05-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Heart_Collector

All this crap was said about CD's...in fact, in that last one, it's STILL being said about CD's. Some people are cheap and lazy enough to just download their entertainment, but not enough to completely kill the way it's done.

Yup it will never replace it, if that was the case then people would only d/l from itunes or other rip you off services then buying the media product. This is nothing but desperate people trying to stir things up, there is alot of hate out there for anything sony and rumors like this geek up all the haters. How many years has itunes been out and yet every mall in this country still has record stores selling media everyday of the year. No matter how quick or good it is, i will never purchase a movie in a digital d/l format, ever!

Blu-Jawa · 03-05-2008, 08:45 PM

The Sore Looser's of HD-DVD and Toshiba now putting down Blu-Ray! It's all Bull@#$%!!

I and as I have seen here and all around the net many will never go for downloading a movie, no mader how fast the net becomes. we must keep the "Disc" alive!

this is IMHO.

JadedRaverLA · 03-05-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Home Media Magazine has pulled out all the stops of late in reporting about the supposed failing future of Blu-ray...

I wouldn't say that at all. The editorials, led by T.K. Arnold, have been calling for an end to the format war for A LONG time now, and were specifically calling for Toshiba to call it quits since the Warner announcement.

The magazine is aimed at rentailers, who have a vested interest in the success of Blu-ray. Eveything they print about VOD and Digital Downloads is just about the potential threat those distribution methods present.

They called for an end to the war early on, and proclaimed Blu-ray the winner fairly early... so, cut them a bit of slack.

DavePS3 · 03-05-2008, 08:51 PM

No one with a killer system downloads. Downloads are for the dudes with 12" black and white TV's and a stolen iPod while they sit in a torn lawn chair in the trailer park!

00420 · 03-05-2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavePS3

No one with a killer system downloads. Downloads are for the dudes with 12" black and white TV's and a stolen iPod while they sit in a torn lawn chair in the trailer park!

For now, that may be true. However, eventually optical media will be phased out.

I'd guess that will start in about ten years or so

. Plenty of time to enjoy my new Blu-Rays and my old HD DVDs (yeah, I admit, I used to be red

).

Bobby Henderson · 03-06-2008, 12:09 AM

Physical media as retail product is always going to be around in some form or another. The notion that downloading is somehow going to kill Blu-ray or other disc-based media is just silly.

A company can do more to dress up a physical product and add more value-added content to it than what can be done with any download-only product.

Here's an added analogy to go with this.

Over a decade ago I was hearing all this nonsense about how the Internet was going to kill all physical book and magazine publishing. That hasn't happened. People are still buying books, magazines and newspapers in physical form. That's despite the fact technology like PDF-X makes is very possible and practical to deliver an electronic equivalent of that publication that is identical in appearance. Same graphics, embedded fonts and the photos are usually high enough in resolution to look good if you print out the PDF. And with a decent high speed connection you can download that PDF in a few minutes. Nevertheless, book stores like Barnes & Noble are still in business regardless of that fact.

Heart_Collector · 03-06-2008, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

Physical media as retail product is always going to be around in some form or another. The notion that downloading is somehow going to kill Blu-ray or other disc-based media is just silly.

A company can do more to dress up a physical product and add more value-added content to it than what can be done with any download-only product.

Here's an added analogy to go with this.

Over a decade ago I was hearing all this nonsense about how the Internet was going to kill all physical book and magazine publishing. That hasn't happened. People are still buying books, magazines and newspapers in physical form. That's despite the fact technology like PDF-X makes is very possible and practical to deliver an electronic equivalent of that publication that is identical in appearance. Same graphics, embedded fonts and the photos are usually high enough in resolution to look good if you print out the PDF. And with a decent high speed connection you can download that PDF in a few minutes. Nevertheless, book stores like Barnes & Noble are still in business regardless of that fact.

Exactly. I download songs, but mostly to sample the band. If I like it, I track down the album. I'll probably do the same with some games when I get my PS3.

kknight · 03-06-2008, 12:48 AM

Disc will always be around. I would hate to d/l a movie and I'm stuck with it and I can't sell it to anyone. I just feel that digital d/ls has too many loop holes and flaws..

J_UNTITLED · 03-06-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kknight

I would hate to d/l a movie and I'm stuck with it and I can't sell it to anyone.

... Why do you want to sell them?

Big Daddy · 03-06-2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Home Media Magazine has pulled out all the stops of late in reporting about the supposed failing future of Blu-ray...

Toshiba Eyes Upconverting DVD Players, Downloads

Report: Niche Product to Grow With On Demand

Canadian Firm Eyes Digital Kiosks

The first one is, granted, funny.

Home Media Magazine is a subsidiary of Questex corporation. Questex is in bed with TechTarget.

http://www.questex.com/Articles/Pres..._09142007.html

The main customers of TechTarget are Microshaft and its allies.

http://www.techtarget.com/html/faas_ccons_success.htm

Grubert · 03-06-2008, 01:34 PM

Big Daddy, I have to disagree.

I have been reading HMM exhaustively for a long time and I don't find fault with its coverage. They have been very balanced and reliable. They report what comes their way. TK Arnold wrote a couple very strong editorials calling upon Toshiba to concede.

Now if you asked me about Video Business (Paul Sweeting and Susanne Ault especially), that'd be a different thing altogether...

Grisle · 03-06-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

... Why do you want to sell them?

Sometimes you don't care for the movie if it's a blind buy or maybe you just don't feel the need to keep it. It is why we have a trading forum here.

tron3 · 03-06-2008, 01:53 PM

Ya know being annoyed by these "last slap" efforts by Toshiba is just as childish as them making the statements. It's like someone putting the horn fingers behind your head and you know it. Sooooo?

HD-DVD couldn't beat blu-ray. So now a LESSER technology of Toshiba will beat blu-ray by upconverting DVD? That shinola will fly with some ignorant people, but most will come to see the light in time. Any person with half a brain knows this is all posturing.

D/L movies & BD serve two different market segments. Blu-ray and d/l will co-exist. D/L'ing of music has existed for about 10 years, yet I still see CD's being sold in stores.

As of right now, blu-ray is in NO DANGER. NONE!

Salinger · 03-06-2008, 02:26 PM

I don't think there's much to fear from the third option. The guy himself said he has zero studio support, at least so far. It seems studios have committed to Blu-ray and I don't really see them doing anything to jeapordize that. Until Blu-ray is more solidly entrenched as a format, I don't think you're going to see much studio support for other competing alternatives. ...and we all know how important studio support is to the success, or failure, of a format.

Bobby Henderson · 03-06-2008, 02:38 PM

Here's another example:

Most people still buy much of their computer software on physical media. Companies like Adobe, Microsoft and others have made it possible to purchase and download major product suites online. But most people still like having the discs handy.

I've been buying Adobe products for a long time. Every time, including the last "CS3" upgrade cycle, I've bought a physical disc based product rather than take the download option.

MatrixS2000 · 03-06-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

Over a decade ago I was hearing all this nonsense about how the Internet was going to kill all physical book and magazine publishing. That hasn't happened. People are still buying books, magazines and newspapers in physical form. That's despite the fact technology like PDF-X makes is very possible and practical to deliver an electronic equivalent of that publication that is identical in appearance. Same graphics, embedded fonts and the photos are usually high enough in resolution to look good if you print out the PDF. And with a decent high speed connection you can download that PDF in a few minutes. Nevertheless, book stores like Barnes & Noble are still in business regardless of that fact.

I remember when people said that computers were going to make people work less - what actually happened - people work more because the computer has allowed them to do things faster, etc....

Also people always compare downloading music to downloading video. It's not the same, it's an apples and oranges comparison. Music lends itself very well to downloads as the files are very small. A lossless music download is about 15-20M, a video download to rival BD is between 30-50G - just a small difference in file size....

kramer2067 · 03-06-2008, 03:59 PM

You guys need to go over to digitalbits and read their peice on Toshibas announcment. They basically call it bull!$#@ and state their is no way upconverting can match the true quality of 1080p that blue-ray has.

skrill · 03-06-2008, 04:05 PM

I sure hope that BR player prices hit sub $200 by Xmas. I honestly think Blu could lose out to downloads if they don't get the player prices (and media prices to a lesser extent) down, and down fast.

I love real HDM (whether HD DVD or Blu) -- but I would hate to see both formats get plowed under by inferior quality downloads because Joe consumer won't adopt the format due to price of entry.

I tell you -- there threat from downloads to HDM is very real.

03-05-2008, 08:29 PM	#1
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03-05-2008, 08:35 PM	#2
Heart_Collector Senior Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Texas	All this crap was said about CD's...in fact, in that last one, it's STILL being said about CD's. Some people are cheap and lazy enough to just download their entertainment, but not enough to completely kill the way it's done.

03-05-2008, 08:45 PM	#4
Blu-Jawa Expert Member Member since:Dec 2007 4K collection:248 Blu-ray collection:1582 DVD collection:519 Blu-ray reviews:2	The Sore Looser's of HD-DVD and Toshiba now putting down Blu-Ray! It's all Bull@#$%!! I and as I have seen here and all around the net many will never go for downloading a movie, no mader how fast the net becomes. we must keep the "Disc" alive! this is IMHO.

03-05-2008, 08:51 PM	#6
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	No one with a killer system downloads. Downloads are for the dudes with 12" black and white TV's and a stolen iPod while they sit in a torn lawn chair in the trailer park!

03-06-2008, 12:09 AM	#8
Bobby Henderson Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Oklahoma Blu-ray collection:96 Blu-ray reviews: 12	Physical media as retail product is always going to be around in some form or another. The notion that downloading is somehow going to kill Blu-ray or other disc-based media is just silly. A company can do more to dress up a physical product and add more value-added content to it than what can be done with any download-only product. Here's an added analogy to go with this. Over a decade ago I was hearing all this nonsense about how the Internet was going to kill all physical book and magazine publishing. That hasn't happened. People are still buying books, magazines and newspapers in physical form. That's despite the fact technology like PDF-X makes is very possible and practical to deliver an electronic equivalent of that publication that is identical in appearance. Same graphics, embedded fonts and the photos are usually high enough in resolution to look good if you print out the PDF. And with a decent high speed connection you can download that PDF in a few minutes. Nevertheless, book stores like Barnes & Noble are still in business regardless of that fact.

03-06-2008, 12:48 AM	#10
kknight Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Minnesota Blu-ray reviews:55	Disc will always be around. I would hate to d/l a movie and I'm stuck with it and I can't sell it to anyone. I just feel that digital d/ls has too many loop holes and flaws..

03-06-2008, 01:34 PM	#13
Grubert Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2006 Blu-ray collection:573 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:2	Big Daddy, I have to disagree. I have been reading HMM exhaustively for a long time and I don't find fault with its coverage. They have been very balanced and reliable. They report what comes their way. TK Arnold wrote a couple very strong editorials calling upon Toshiba to concede. Now if you asked me about Video Business (Paul Sweeting and Susanne Ault especially), that'd be a different thing altogether...

03-06-2008, 01:53 PM	#15
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	Ya know being annoyed by these "last slap" efforts by Toshiba is just as childish as them making the statements. It's like someone putting the horn fingers behind your head and you know it. Sooooo? HD-DVD couldn't beat blu-ray. So now a LESSER technology of Toshiba will beat blu-ray by upconverting DVD? That shinola will fly with some ignorant people, but most will come to see the light in time. Any person with half a brain knows this is all posturing. D/L movies & BD serve two different market segments. Blu-ray and d/l will co-exist. D/L'ing of music has existed for about 10 years, yet I still see CD's being sold in stores. As of right now, blu-ray is in NO DANGER. NONE!

03-06-2008, 02:26 PM	#16
Salinger Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Toronto, ON	I don't think there's much to fear from the third option. The guy himself said he has zero studio support, at least so far. It seems studios have committed to Blu-ray and I don't really see them doing anything to jeapordize that. Until Blu-ray is more solidly entrenched as a format, I don't think you're going to see much studio support for other competing alternatives. ...and we all know how important studio support is to the success, or failure, of a format.

03-06-2008, 02:38 PM	#17
Bobby Henderson Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Oklahoma Blu-ray collection:96 Blu-ray reviews: 12	Here's another example: Most people still buy much of their computer software on physical media. Companies like Adobe, Microsoft and others have made it possible to purchase and download major product suites online. But most people still like having the discs handy. I've been buying Adobe products for a long time. Every time, including the last "CS3" upgrade cycle, I've bought a physical disc based product rather than take the download option.

03-06-2008, 03:59 PM	#19
kramer2067 Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Sierra Vista,az	You guys need to go over to digitalbits and read their peice on Toshibas announcment. They basically call it bull!$#@ and state their is no way upconverting can match the true quality of 1080p that blue-ray has.

03-06-2008, 04:05 PM	#20
skrill Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Nashville!!	I sure hope that BR player prices hit sub $200 by Xmas. I honestly think Blu could lose out to downloads if they don't get the player prices (and media prices to a lesser extent) down, and down fast. I love real HDM (whether HD DVD or Blu) -- but I would hate to see both formats get plowed under by inferior quality downloads because Joe consumer won't adopt the format due to price of entry. I tell you -- there threat from downloads to HDM is very real.

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