Anyone else think Zavvi have too many steelbooks of old titles and not enough new?

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

No, it is not THAT simple.
We are collector's. We collect things because they are different from other things and/or versions. That's why this subforum is in the 'COLLECTIBLES AND LIMITED EDITIONS' section. We expect that these collectibles stay limited (COLLECTIBLES - LIMITED EDITIONS) because we are buying these COLLECTIBLES and LIMITED EDITIONS with the intention of COLLECTING THEM. People collect things because they are unique, rare or limited. There is no purpose in collecting things which are advertised as 'LIMITED EDITIONS', if they can appear again without warning. That would take the fun out of COLLECTING COLLECTIBLES because the LIMITED EDITIONS are not really LIMITED EDITIONS anymore.

Get it???!?!?

LESS of the 'we' stuff please!

I couldnt care how less how limited or not a steelbook is, if its a film I like a lot Ill try and get the steel - not because its collectible or anything..thats just a bonus. If more copies are released well thats good for other people to get them too.

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

LESS of the 'we' stuff please!

I couldnt care how less how limited or not a steelbook is, if its a film I like a lot Ill try and get the steel - not because its collectible or anything..thats just a bonus. If more copies are released well thats good for other people to get them too.

I was talking about real steelbook collector's .

[Wootball]

Unlimited = might as well buy amaray.

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by Wootball

Unlimited = might as well buy amaray.

Indeed. Why pay more for a non-exclusive item? It would be like this:

Steelbook collector: ''Hey man, check out my expensive blu-ray steelbook collection!''

Not a steelbook collector: ''Haha, idiot. I have the exact same movies, but paid probably 3 or 4 times less than you did. And the funny thing is, my normal amaray cases are just as 'rare' or 'special' as your stupid steelbooks LOL xD.''

There is no fun in collecting steelbooks if they are widely available (or anytime), just like the normal amaray case releases.
That's why it is really important to us (real steelbook collector's), that the steelbooks stay limited/exclusive!!

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

I was talking about real steelbook collector's .

Ah, the crazy OCD people you mean!

[Monkeyspoons Revenge]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Ah, the crazy OCD people you mean!

Its funny how many people judge the quality of a steelbook by how many people can't own it. Or that its more fun if people have to lose out from owning something.

Just look at the people in the Jack Reacher topic. They seem to think its ok to charge £28 for a steelbook. They also claim that it looks and feels expensive when in FACT its no better quality than the other Paramount steelbooks that cost far less.

I really hate this eliteism attitude that some steelbook collectors have. That people should be denied something just so it makes their collection seem special.

If some websites can offer limited edition steelbooks for new films without over inflating the price then why can't others.

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

Its funny how many people judge the quality of a steelbook by how many people can't own it. Or that its more fun if people have to lose out from owning something.

Just look at the people in the Jack Reacher topic. They seem to think its ok to charge £28 for a steelbook. They also claim that it looks and feels expensive when in FACT its no better quality than the other Paramount steelbooks that cost far less.

I really hate this eliteism attitude that some steelbook collectors have. That people should be denied something just so it makes their collection seem special.

If some websites can offer limited edition steelbooks for new films without over inflating the price then why can't others.

everything in the world's starts to look the same... there are less differences every day... let us have our own, special, steelbook collection please .

And you don't have to pay a lot... You're not forced to buy the most expensive steelbook, but if you're in the game long enough, you'll end up having a steelbook that's worth 10 times the original price, while you bought it for the retail price.

So it's all about being at the right place, at the right time...

And yes, the Jack Reacher steelbook costs too much. The exact same steelbook costs 11-12 GBP less @ the Mediamarkt in the Netherlands.

Retailers should not ask scalpers prices...

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

Its funny how many people judge the quality of a steelbook by how many people can't own it. Or that its more fun if people have to lose out from owning something.

Just look at the people in the Jack Reacher topic. They seem to think its ok to charge £28 for a steelbook. They also claim that it looks and feels expensive when in FACT its no better quality than the other Paramount steelbooks that cost far less.

I really hate this eliteism attitude that some steelbook collectors have. That people should be denied something just so it makes their collection seem special.

If some websites can offer limited edition steelbooks for new films without over inflating the price then why can't others.

+1. Exactly. The film itself isnt important (yep theres a film inside those steelbooks! ). Hell, the steelbook isnt that important even. Its how much its worth thats important and how hard it is to get..

[tenderheartbear]

I don't like paying more for steelbooks than I would a normal amaray (even moreso because generally you have to preorder steelbooks to ensure you get one) whereas an amaray drops in price after a few weeks or can be bought easily secondhand. That's the price you pay though to get a movie in what is (to my mind) the best packaging.

I will not pay more than the original retail price for any steelbook. I will not buy any movie I don't want to own and watch no matter what the case looks like or is made of. I don't care how rare they are or how much they are worth in a years time. I also won't buy more than 1 copy of a movie, regardless of additional J-cards or new steelbook designs that come along.

I'm not a steelbook collector per-se, but I do buy steelbooks. I open them, watch them, handle them (with care), put them on my shelves and accept that every once in a while 1 will get scratched or scuffed (which I admit, I try to avoid). I say release every film ever made in a steelbook, let it become the new amaray, I'm not bothered. In fact, if it makes them cheaper I welcome it.

I let my money do the talking. I work hard for it and I only spend it on things I want (be it steelbooks or otherwise).

[Wootball]

The price of steels is completely irrelevant, Monkeyspoons just wanted another passive aggressive pop at me for buying the JR steel. I'm arguing that limitation is desirable when collecting, and stand by that. If something is unlimited, it's not collectible.

[Monkeyspoons Revenge]

Originally Posted by Wootball

The price of steels is completely irrelevant, Monkeyspoons just wanted another passive aggressive pop at me for buying the JR steel. I'm arguing that limitation is desirable when collecting, and stand by that. If something is unlimited, it's not collectible.

I didnt mention you by name.

Something can still be very limited and not over priced. Take some of the very limited steelbooks from Amazon, HMV, Zavvi and Play.com. They sold out long before release but even with their very limited quantity they still were a very reasonable price and in some cases no more expensive than the Amaray.

I have found that especially with the Jack Reacher steelbook, buyers tend to reassure themselves a lot that they were not ripped off. They throw around that it was ok to be charged £28 for a steelbook thats meant to be very liited. But as I've explained even very limited steelbooks can still be normal price.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Back on topic...

For me, it's not a matter of "thinking Zavvi is releasing too many steelbooks of previously released steelbook titles." For me, it's a matter of "Zavvi isn't doing ANYTHING to create new artwork for the titles that they are re-releasing." It's quite depressing actually to see all of these great titles not being offered with variations on the artwork.

[Wootball]

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

Something can still be very limited and not over priced. Take some of the very limited steelbooks from Amazon, HMV, Zavvi and Play.com. They sold out long before release but even with their very limited quantity they still were a very reasonable price and in some cases no more expensive than the Amaray.

Not justifying the £28 price, but here you are comparing apples to oranges. Almost all of the Amazon, HMV, Zavvi and Play steels were limited to 4000 or in the case of Terminator, 5000 - and then consider that Prometheus was limited to 8000 and cost £23.99 to purchase. None of them have had a run of less than 4000. The JR UK steel has been confirmed to have a print run of 500.

[Monkeyspoons Revenge]

Originally Posted by Wootball

Not justifying the £28 price, but here you are comparing apples to oranges. Almost all of the Amazon, HMV, Zavvi and Play steels were limited to 4000 or in the case of Terminator, 5000 - and then consider that Prometheus was limited to 8000 and cost £23.99 to purchase. None of them have had a run of less than 4000. The JR UK steel has been confirmed to have a print run of 500.

Did you personally count how many JR steelbooks there was? Do you concider that maybe the store selling them way overpriced may be telling you lies to justify them selling at a high price?

Again limited number is not an excuse for a high price. Take Iron Man. It is super rare and highly collectable. How much was it at Play.com? £10 I think. How much to scalpers ask for it? About £100. You are basically giving retailers permission to overcharge you for things they shouldnt be.

[Monkeyspoons Revenge]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Back on topic...

For me, it's not a matter of "thinking Zavvi is releasing too many steelbooks of previously released steelbook titles." For me, it's a matter of "Zavvi isn't doing ANYTHING to create new artwork for the titles that they are re-releasing." It's quite depressing actually to see all of these great titles not being offered with variations on the artwork.

Have you seen some of their new artwork though. Some of them are horrid.

Others though like Aladdin are a big improvement.

[Wootball]

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

Did you personally count how many JR steelbooks there was? Do you concider that maybe the store selling them way overpriced may be telling you lies to justify them selling at a high price?

Again limited number is not an excuse for a high price. Take Iron Man. It is super rare and highly collectable. How much was it at Play.com? £10 I think. How much to scalpers ask for it? About £100. You are basically giving retailers permission to overcharge you for things they shouldnt be.

ES have this morning confirmed a 500 print run for JR UK.

I didn't say limited was an excuse for charging a higher price, I said their costs would be higher because it's a smaller print run/order. Subjective value is determined by the exclusivity, and that subjective value is offset by the monetary value of the steelbook. Not everyone will balance that perceived value with the actual cost, but I could.

Will their costs be anywhere near £28? Nope.
Is £28 too much for a steel? Yep.
Am I willing to pay £28 as a one off to support them as a new provider of limited UK steels? Yep.
Would I tell them where to stick it if they continued to try to overcharge for future steelbooks? Yep.
Is this steelbook worth £28 to me now I've purchased and seen it? Absolutely.
Is it going to be worth £28 to everyone? Absolutely not.

[YoreLore]

Originally Posted by Wootball

ES have this morning confirmed a 500 print run for JR UK.

I didn't say limited was an excuse for charging a higher price, I said their costs would be higher because it's a smaller print run/order. Subjective value is determined by the exclusivity, and that subjective value is offset by the monetary value of the steelbook. Not everyone will balance that perceived value with the actual cost, but I could.

Will their costs be anywhere near £28? Nope.
Is £28 too much for a steel? Yep.
Am I willing to pay £28 as a one off to support them as a new provider of limited UK steels? Yep.
Would I tell them where to stick it if they continued to try to overcharge for future steelbooks? Yep.
Is this steelbook worth £28 to me now I've purchased and seen it? Absolutely.
Is it going to be worth £28 to everyone? Absolutely not.

I am not judging you on your purchases or anything but I am being honest when I say that I am confused about your "supporting" a new company comment. I'm assuming most people bought the Jack Reacher steelbook because they read "limited run". The picture of the steelbook before it was released didn't do it justice and now it's considered a good purchase. So if this company obtained 500 and sold them all for £28 then it's safe to assume they will do it again and again and people will keep paying £28, especially those who can't let anything 'rare' pass them by. Was it really a one off? Just imagine a small uk based company obtaining small quantities of steelbooks with English writing on the J-card and you can see why people will shell out big money for them, even though the Jack Reacher steelbook is the same one being sold in France and Spain for example. Again, it's your money and you don't need to justify your purchases, just wondering if you agree that they will keep charging high amounts.

[Wootball]

I would like to think that it was based on testing the water. £28 is high, but then brings in a greater profit so they're more likely to release another. The price was to offset the risk of placing a large order. Hopefully due to the money they made on JR, they can order more of their next run at a much lower unit cost, and in turn this will knock the cost down for the customer. That's the idea anyway.

[Monkeyspoons Revenge]

Originally Posted by YoreLore

I am not judging you on your purchases or anything but I am being honest when I say that I am confused about your "supporting" a new company comment. I'm assuming most people bought the Jack Reacher steelbook because they read "limited run". The picture of the steelbook before it was released didn't do it justice and now it's considered a good purchase. So if this company obtained 500 and sold them all for £28 then it's safe to assume they will do it again and again and people will keep paying £28, especially those who can't let anything 'rare' pass them by. Was it really a one off? Just imagine a small uk based company obtaining small quantities of steelbooks with English writing on the J-card and you can see why people will shell out big money for them, even though the Jack Reacher steelbook is the same one being sold in France and Spain for example. Again, it's your money and you don't need to justify your purchases, just wondering if you agree that they will keep charging high amounts.

I also find it strange why someone would say they are supporting a company. They don't owe you anything. You shouldn't be spending extra money to fund a companies growth.

If anything they should be charging lower in order to gain a fanbase. Sure it will cut their profits but they will gain support in the process. They are making way over the odds with each steelbook. They cost of the steelbook to them is more than likely less than £10 each. Their profit on each steelbook is higher than places like Amazon would sell the steelbook for in total. If its true and they bought 500 copies then thats a £5k investment with a £9k profit. Thats a ridiculous markup.

If they charged £18 for the steelbook then the profits would still be reasonable.

Their reputation is now damaged as a bunch of rip off merchants and they have prob lost out more in the long run.

[Wootball]

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

I also find it strange why someone would say they are supporting a company. They don't owe you anything. You shouldn't be spending extra money to fund a companies growth.

They owe me nothing, but they are a part of wanting more competition and more avenues for purchasing steelbooks, after the demise of Play and HMV.

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

If anything they should be charging lower in order to gain a fanbase. Sure it will cut their profits but they will gain support in the process. They are making way over the odds with each steelbook. They cost of the steelbook to them is more than likely less than £10 each. Their profit on each steelbook is higher than places like Amazon would sell the steelbook for in total. If its true and they bought 500 copies then thats a £5k investment with a £9k profit. Thats a ridiculous markup.

They aren't like Play or Amazon etc where there were thousands of streams of income - they're a relatively new company only dealing with home media. A quick seller for a high profit may help them acquire more exclusives in future and give us, as consumers, more options. Amazon and bigger companies can take hits on certain products because it drives revenue in a larger income stream. Companies have been doing loss leaders for years, but NEVER as their first big acquisition.

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

Their reputation is now damaged as a bunch of rip off merchants and they have prob lost out more in the long run.

I couldn't disagree more and I don't know why you're constantly trying to tell people how they should feel about this steelbook. I've had a look at some of your posts and they seem very very toxic, I don't know why you seem to have a constant attitude. Aside from that, it's exactly the opposite - ES delivered early, in decent packaging, and have OUTSTANDING customer service from proper humans rather than an automated system. Sometimes it's worth paying a little more when you get that kind of after market service.