Anyone else think Zavvi have too many steelbooks of old titles and not enough new?

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by waka flocka

Best post i have seen in a long time

I wish people would stop crying and whining so much, its either buy it or don't really that simple people. No one on the internet wants to hear your insipid *****ing and moaning about prices , re-releases or if someone is releasing too much steelbooks.


#first world problems

No, it is not THAT simple.
We are collector's. We collect things because they are different from other things and/or versions. That's why this subforum is in the 'COLLECTIBLES AND LIMITED EDITIONS' section. We expect that these collectibles stay limited (COLLECTIBLES - LIMITED EDITIONS) because we are buying these COLLECTIBLES and LIMITED EDITIONS with the intention of COLLECTING THEM. People collect things because they are unique, rare or limited. There is no purpose in collecting things which are advertised as 'LIMITED EDITIONS', if they can appear again without warning. That would take the fun out of COLLECTING COLLECTIBLES because the LIMITED EDITIONS are not really LIMITED EDITIONS anymore.

Get it???!?!?

[waka flocka]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

No, it is not THAT simple.
We are collector's. We collect things because they are different from other things and/or versions. That's why this subforum is in the 'COLLECTIBLES AND LIMITED EDITIONS' section. We expect that these collectibles stay limited (COLLECTIBLES - LIMITED EDITIONS) because we are buying these COLLECTIBLES and LIMITED EDITIONS with the intention of COLLECTING THEM. People collect things because they are unique, rare or limited. There is no purpose in collecting things which are advertised as 'LIMITED EDITIONS', if they can appear again without warning. That would take the fun out of COLLECTING COLLECTIBLES because the LIMITED EDITIONS are not really LIMITED EDITIONS anymore.

Get it???!?!?

No, its very simplistic my friend you're just over complicating it with an excuse that doesn't hold water because you are looking only at these "COLLECTIBLES" and "LIMITED EDITIONS" as a money factor and nothing more.Physical media such as home movie releases have never been worth anything in the long run and never will , How many people you see ponying up $300-$400 for a brand new un-cut VHS copy of the black caldron ? NO ONE

If you want wanna collect something that's gonna hold value or increase in value then you're in the wrong form of collecting my friend and i suggest you go get some Art , cars , wine , old guns or various other old history/antique pieces.Because in 4-5 years maybe more if we are lucky all these "COLLECTIBLES" and "LIMITED EDITION" BD's will be worthless and just like VHS AND DVD are now maybe you aren't old enough to have collected LD , VHS or DVD so you wont understand.

so its plain and simple

1. if you dont like re-releases dont buy them
2. if you dont like so many releases dont buy them
3. if you wanna be on your period get out of the steelbook game altogether

[Blufury]

As long as they release quality steels with full outside and inside artwork I will be a happy customer.

[YoreLore]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

No, it is not THAT simple.
We are collector's. We collect things because they are different from other things and/or versions. That's why this subforum is in the 'COLLECTIBLES AND LIMITED EDITIONS' section. We expect that these collectibles stay limited (COLLECTIBLES - LIMITED EDITIONS) because we are buying these COLLECTIBLES and LIMITED EDITIONS with the intention of COLLECTING THEM. People collect things because they are unique, rare or limited. There is no purpose in collecting things which are advertised as 'LIMITED EDITIONS', if they can appear again without warning. That would take the fun out of COLLECTING COLLECTIBLES because the LIMITED EDITIONS are not really LIMITED EDITIONS anymore.

Get it???!?!?

I understand what you are saying but you don't speak for everyone if I'm honest. I collect steelbooks not because they are limited but because they look better to me than normal blu ray releases. They look nice in my cabinet and I don't mind paying a little extra for them.

I don't collect them to store them away in a vault and never use them, or because they are limited edition or because they are collectible. I buy one copy, open it and watch it. A lot of the people on here go to extreme lengths in my opinion with keeping things sealed and buying movies not to watch them or buying films they don't even like because it's a steelbook. Waste of money in my opinion.

If every film I liked was given the steelbook treatment then I would like that. I don't care if a release has three, four, five or ten thousand copies available. I buy them for myself and I'm the one that uses them.

All our own opinions I suppose. Some people may not think keeping items sealed is a waste and others do. Just like some people buy these because they just like them and others buy to rip off others.

[richieb1971]

I totally disagree that blu ray steelbooks will not hold their value over 10 years or more. The reason being is that blu ray media is possibly the last tangible media (disc sized anyway) that we will ever see for the mainstream.

Steelbooks are one of the most impressive forms of packaging ever seen therefore I believe they will hold their value beyond former media types.

Even if Ironman FS was sold on ebay for $10 I would keep mine. I am definitely keeping my Disney steels forever and a day.

But this does not excuse Zavvi for releasing so many steelbooks. It seems to me that in certain cases it seems like "Studio X has printed 3000 too many discs and can't move them". So Zavvi does a 3000 print run of a steelbook, gets rid of the excess print run stock. Voila. Things like Kill Bill and 300 have had so many steelbooks. So having yet another just seems silly. Would rather have new titles in steelbook format (or ones that never had one).

[Thorin]

I have to agree. Zavvi will try to fleece collectors for as much as were worth.

i say put a stop to mass releases and put a bit more thought in to it

[sheldo]

Originally Posted by Thorin

I have to agree. Zavvi will try to fleece collectors for as much as were worth.

i say put a stop to mass releases and put a bit more thought in to it

I give the same advice to a friend who compains about how bad the Resident Evil movies are yet still pays money to see them everytime they come out, he did the same with Saw movies too. They'll only stop when they stop making money, best way to get your point across is to act with your wallet.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

No, it is not THAT simple.
We are collector's. We collect things because they are different from other things and/or versions. That's why this subforum is in the 'COLLECTIBLES AND LIMITED EDITIONS' section. We expect that these collectibles stay limited (COLLECTIBLES - LIMITED EDITIONS) because we are buying these COLLECTIBLES and LIMITED EDITIONS with the intention of COLLECTING THEM. People collect things because they are unique, rare or limited. There is no purpose in collecting things which are advertised as 'LIMITED EDITIONS', if they can appear again without warning. That would take the fun out of COLLECTING COLLECTIBLES because the LIMITED EDITIONS are not really LIMITED EDITIONS anymore.

Get it???!?!?

LESS of the 'we' stuff please!

I couldnt care how less how limited or not a steelbook is, if its a film I like a lot Ill try and get the steel - not because its collectible or anything..thats just a bonus. If more copies are released well thats good for other people to get them too.

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

LESS of the 'we' stuff please!

I couldnt care how less how limited or not a steelbook is, if its a film I like a lot Ill try and get the steel - not because its collectible or anything..thats just a bonus. If more copies are released well thats good for other people to get them too.

I was talking about real steelbook collector's .

[Wootball]

Unlimited = might as well buy amaray.

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by Wootball

Unlimited = might as well buy amaray.

Indeed. Why pay more for a non-exclusive item? It would be like this:

Steelbook collector: ''Hey man, check out my expensive blu-ray steelbook collection!''

Not a steelbook collector: ''Haha, idiot. I have the exact same movies, but paid probably 3 or 4 times less than you did. And the funny thing is, my normal amaray cases are just as 'rare' or 'special' as your stupid steelbooks LOL xD.''

There is no fun in collecting steelbooks if they are widely available (or anytime), just like the normal amaray case releases.
That's why it is really important to us (real steelbook collector's), that the steelbooks stay limited/exclusive!!

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

I was talking about real steelbook collector's .

Ah, the crazy OCD people you mean!

[Monkeyspoons Revenge]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Ah, the crazy OCD people you mean!

Its funny how many people judge the quality of a steelbook by how many people can't own it. Or that its more fun if people have to lose out from owning something.

Just look at the people in the Jack Reacher topic. They seem to think its ok to charge £28 for a steelbook. They also claim that it looks and feels expensive when in FACT its no better quality than the other Paramount steelbooks that cost far less.

I really hate this eliteism attitude that some steelbook collectors have. That people should be denied something just so it makes their collection seem special.

If some websites can offer limited edition steelbooks for new films without over inflating the price then why can't others.

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

Its funny how many people judge the quality of a steelbook by how many people can't own it. Or that its more fun if people have to lose out from owning something.

Just look at the people in the Jack Reacher topic. They seem to think its ok to charge £28 for a steelbook. They also claim that it looks and feels expensive when in FACT its no better quality than the other Paramount steelbooks that cost far less.

I really hate this eliteism attitude that some steelbook collectors have. That people should be denied something just so it makes their collection seem special.

If some websites can offer limited edition steelbooks for new films without over inflating the price then why can't others.

everything in the world's starts to look the same... there are less differences every day... let us have our own, special, steelbook collection please .

And you don't have to pay a lot... You're not forced to buy the most expensive steelbook, but if you're in the game long enough, you'll end up having a steelbook that's worth 10 times the original price, while you bought it for the retail price.

So it's all about being at the right place, at the right time...

And yes, the Jack Reacher steelbook costs too much. The exact same steelbook costs 11-12 GBP less @ the Mediamarkt in the Netherlands.

Retailers should not ask scalpers prices...

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Monkeyspoons Revenge

Its funny how many people judge the quality of a steelbook by how many people can't own it. Or that its more fun if people have to lose out from owning something.

Just look at the people in the Jack Reacher topic. They seem to think its ok to charge £28 for a steelbook. They also claim that it looks and feels expensive when in FACT its no better quality than the other Paramount steelbooks that cost far less.

I really hate this eliteism attitude that some steelbook collectors have. That people should be denied something just so it makes their collection seem special.

If some websites can offer limited edition steelbooks for new films without over inflating the price then why can't others.

+1. Exactly. The film itself isnt important (yep theres a film inside those steelbooks! ). Hell, the steelbook isnt that important even. Its how much its worth thats important and how hard it is to get..

[tenderheartbear]

I don't like paying more for steelbooks than I would a normal amaray (even moreso because generally you have to preorder steelbooks to ensure you get one) whereas an amaray drops in price after a few weeks or can be bought easily secondhand. That's the price you pay though to get a movie in what is (to my mind) the best packaging.

I will not pay more than the original retail price for any steelbook. I will not buy any movie I don't want to own and watch no matter what the case looks like or is made of. I don't care how rare they are or how much they are worth in a years time. I also won't buy more than 1 copy of a movie, regardless of additional J-cards or new steelbook designs that come along.

I'm not a steelbook collector per-se, but I do buy steelbooks. I open them, watch them, handle them (with care), put them on my shelves and accept that every once in a while 1 will get scratched or scuffed (which I admit, I try to avoid). I say release every film ever made in a steelbook, let it become the new amaray, I'm not bothered. In fact, if it makes them cheaper I welcome it.

I let my money do the talking. I work hard for it and I only spend it on things I want (be it steelbooks or otherwise).