SACD/DVD-A dead

[frenchglen]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

You can't blame the SACD format just because LOTR was issued on DVD-A.

What? I never knew LOTR was issued on DVD-A! They just don't market these formats enough.

http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo....ber=WEADA49454

I can't believe my all-time favourite soundtrack is on DVD-A. BUT, the advanced resolution surround/stereo is only 24/48. Big disappointment. I bet you that's because they couldn't fit a 96KHz track on the DVD (not even in stereo). IMO this is one of the biggest reasons for a new BD-Audio format. That way you can fit all the lossy/low-res formats for compatibility with older/lower-end systems, and still fit the highest possible hi-res track.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

DolbyBlue please pay attention to what I have said and don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I NEVER said that all albums should be on one disc. Duh! I've been VERY clear about that. I don't know how to make myself anymore clear as to what I think should be included on the INDIVIDUAL albums when put on Blu-Ray discs. I am also afraid that you have a distorted reality if you think that the public when told, "24/48 to 24/192 5.1 or 24/96 7.1" have any idea as to what you are talking about. Who cares what I think anyway?! I've been talking about the public who would be buying these products not some elitists.

Piss off with the elitist !!!!.
How many SACD's do you actually own Alex?
If you think the general public will be snapping up hi rez audio discs you're sadly mistaken. That's why the people that have an interest in hi rez audio know exactly what sampling depths and word length mean.

It's dobyblue. No capitals and nothing to do with Dolby technologies, hence only one "l".

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Perhaps it's Dave Matthews way of singing stoned/half asleep?
The lyrics some 19 year old college girl would find deep?
That goofy foot shuffle while playing guitar that makes him look like an overcaffinated Special Olympics participant?
His divisive political commentary?

ANYWAY...(back to topic)

DVD-Audio is pretty much dead and buried. With the PS3 being a huge platform for HD Audio discs I would love to see record companies release DAY AND DATE mainstream, dual layered CD/SACD discs for general consumption.

I'd have to say you probably haven't really heard much then. Especially the stoned half asleep comment. I've only encountered powerful screams enough to match his from guys like Maynard James Keenan and Trent Reznor.
Foot shuffle has been gone since about 2001, but I miss is. Very cool way of dancing while having an instrument. I'm not sure how many people have been able to pull off any sort of groove while playing guitar and still playing properly what you're playing.
I saw them on the Vote for Change tour. He didn't make any mention of pollitics but rather said "we know we're here to play for you and that's what we're going to do, but please get out and vote and have your voice counted, regardless of who you're voting for" - PSU 10.01.04

Lyrics - evryone's got some that owuld get a girl excited, but others like The Last Stop, Seek Up, Dreaming Tree, Spoon, etc. I'm not sure how those get missed.
The Last Stop - (The three major Monotheistic religions are lambasted for their grandiloquence in dogma. Everything is justified, the song, explains, if you believe that your religion so dictates from the mouth of God.)

Fire
The sun is well asleep
Moon is high above
Fire grows from the east
How is this
Hate so deep
Lead us all so blindly killing killing
Fools we are
If hate's the gate to peace
This is the last stop
For raining tears

War
The only way to Peace
I don't fall for that
Raining tears

You're righteous, so righteous, so righteous
You're always so right
Go ahead and dream
Go ahead believe that you are the chosen one
Raining tears
Oh no

Gracious even God
Bloodied on the cross
Your sins are washed enough
Mother's cry
"Is hate so deep
Must a baby's bones
This hungry fire feed?"
As smoke clouds roll in
The symphony of death
This is the last stop
Scream

Right is wrong now
Shut up you big lie
This black and white lie
You comb your hair to hide
Your lying eyes

You're righteous, so righteous, so righteous
You're always so right
But why your lie
Go ahead and dream
Go ahead believe that you are the chosen one

This is the last stop
Here there's more than is showing up
Hope that we can break it down
So it's not so black and white

This is the last stop
Here there's more than is showing up
Hope that we can break it down
So it's not so black and white

You're righteous
You're righteous
You're righteous
You're always so right
But there you are nailing a good tree
Then say forgive me, forgive me
Why

Go ahead and dream
Go ahead believe that you are the chosen one

Raining tears
This is the last stop
Here there is more than is showing up
But I hope that we can break it down
It's not so black and white

They've got some great jazz friends as well and seeing guys like Maceo Parker, Victor Wooten, Bela Fleck, etc. play with them is great.

They're biggest problem is the fool that picks their radio singles. If all I heard from DMB were their radio singles I probably would never have become a fan.

[AlexKx]

Of course the Blu-Ray disc version of "Good-bye Yellow Brick" road with loads of special features would cost more but with THAT said c.d.s in some places are already half the price of what they use to be. So with special features who knows what price perhaps the price c.d.s use to be of $18.00. I don't know BUT again the music industry in my opinion could benefit siginificantly with such a thing for the public to buy their music again. Maybe I'm wrong...but I am not so sure that I am.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by frenchglen

What? I never knew LOTR was issued on DVD-A! They just don't market these formats enough.

http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo....ber=WEADA49454

I can't believe my all-time favourite soundtrack is on DVD-A. BUT, the advanced resolution surround/stereo is only 24/48. Big disappointment. I bet you that's because they couldn't fit a 96KHz track on the DVD (not even in stereo). IMO this is one of the biggest reasons for a new BD-Audio format. That way you can fit all the lossy/low-res formats for compatibility with older/lower-end systems, and still fit the highest possible hi-res track.

The second movie soundtrack is also on DVD-A

The jump from 16bit to 24 bit is quite big, many audiophiles would say is the most important. Besides that's probably the master tapes native bit-depth so no decimation!



Other movie soundtracks in the various high resolution audio are among others, Casino, Casino Rotaye, Amadeus, Close Encounters Of The Third Kind, etc,
There's also a Ultimate Mancini SACD which I use to introduce people to multichannel high resolution audio. Just cue the Pink Panther theme and watch their jaws drop.

[giantsfan]

Has anyone seen the Dirty Dozen on Blu Ray? one of my favorite movies and i would love to hear that the blu ray version cleans up nicely thanks

[Deciazulado]

I just did a quick scan and it looks pretty good. Warner seems to do good jobs with classic movies. The clarity is so nice that everytime an optical (example: a dissolve, or a title) comes the dupe material looks blurry and soft, and then it goes back to the in camera film and it looks nice and sharp. It has some of that VC-1 clean signature that some might not like but from my brief exposure I liked most of what I saw specially those Lee Marvin close ups.
VC-1 ranging from 15 Mb/s to 29 Mb/s



Now why did you ask this question on a DVD-A/SACD thread?

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Now why did you ask this question on a DVD-A/SACD thread?

He is a giants fan, not sure if it is NY or SF, but either way, he has to be in a daze wondering what the hey is going on with his team.

Chris

[THE STUD]

Originally Posted by frenchglen

What? I never knew LOTR was issued on DVD-A! They just don't market these formats enough.

http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo....ber=WEADA49454

I can't believe my all-time favourite soundtrack is on DVD-A. BUT, the advanced resolution surround/stereo is only 24/48. Big disappointment. I bet you that's because they couldn't fit a 96KHz track on the DVD (not even in stereo). IMO this is one of the biggest reasons for a new BD-Audio format. That way you can fit all the lossy/low-res formats for compatibility with older/lower-end systems, and still fit the highest possible hi-res track.

yeah dude, I own both, the third and final will be released november. They do sound awesome, the best sounding soundtrack I've ever heard, and I have 50+. The reason they couldn't fit the higher 96 is because the disc has 4 total audio formats. DD stereo, DD surround, High res stereo, High res surround. That's why I said we need blu-Ray, is cause they can't fit the higher res on the DVD-A.

Anyways, they sound awesome, surround sound is a whole different experience when it comes to orchestras.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

Of course the Blu-Ray disc version of "Good-bye Yellow Brick" road with loads of special features would cost more but with THAT said c.d.s in some places are already half the price of what they use to be. So with special features who knows what price perhaps the price c.d.s use to be of $18.00. I don't know BUT again the music industry in my opinion could benefit siginificantly with such a thing for the public to buy their music again. Maybe I'm wrong...but I am not so sure that I am.

There's already a 2 SACD/1 DVD-V set of GYBR.

See the thing is, most audiophiles enjoy SACD because of it's consistency and I think this is the point most people are missing.

They could very well put DSD on Blu-ray, but it would be another profile just like DVD players cannot play DVD-Audio tracks unless they are a DVD-Audio player.

As recently discussed in here people know that 24/96 or SACD is the preferred level of fidelity. 24/48 DVD-A tracks sound great, but the full fidelity that we can appreciate is not there.

If Blu-ray does audio only discs with special features in HD where applicable and other interactive measures, the main audio could be anywhere from 24/48 to 24/192.

This is why most audiophiles prefer SACD because the data on the disc is always the same; one bit sampled 2,822,400 times per second.

I think you can find that Elton John SACD for under $30 on eBay.
http://sa-cd.net/showtitle/1548

The Elton John SACD releases are breathtaking. Madman Across the Water is my favourite.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by THE STUD

yeah dude, I own both, the third and final will be released november. They do sound awesome, the best sounding soundtrack I've ever heard, and I have 50+. The reason they couldn't fit the higher 96 is because the disc has 4 total audio formats. DD stereo, DD surround, High res stereo, High res surround. That's why I said we need blu-Ray, is cause they can't fit the higher res on the DVD-A.

Anyways, they sound awesome, surround sound is a whole different experience when it comes to orchestras.

What's the running time on that soundtrack? Less than 80 minutes?

They should have been able to fit the whole thing on there in 96.

DD takes up less than 500MB.

I have REM's Out of Time and it has a 5.1 96/24 track AND a 2.0 192/24 stereo track in addition to some interview footage, videos, discography, etc.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I think you can find that Elton John SACD for under $30 on eBay.
http://sa-cd.net/showtitle/1548

The Elton John SACD releases are breathtaking. Madman Across the Water is my favourite.

I bought the GBYR SACD + DVD at YourMusic.com for US$13. The rest of his SACDs I bought for US$6.99.

I'm missing two of his SACDs and I can't recall which one.

Too bad the latest albums from Snow Patrol and Keane were not released on SACD. That would've been wicked!


fuad

[THE STUD]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

What's the running time on that soundtrack? Less than 80 minutes?

They should have been able to fit the whole thing on there in 96.

DD takes up less than 500MB.

I have REM's Out of Time and it has a 5.1 96/24 track AND a 2.0 192/24 stereo track in addition to some interview footage, videos, discography, etc.

no way is it 80 minutes. This is the expanded scores, the entire thing per film The run time is 180 minutes!!!!!! these releases are the longest scores I've ever seen or had. They are simply amazing

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by THE STUD

no way is it 80 minutes. This is the expanded scores, the entire thing per film The run time is 180 minutes!!!!!! these releases are the longest scores I've ever seen or had. They are simply amazing

The Lord of the Rings DVD-A releases, limited quantity release at a premium price, is how the format will likely continue for now. The days of frequent releases priced competitively are behind us.

Chris

[THE STUD]

SACD is nearly dead I believe, and here's some proof

"On the negative side Universal and Naxos have ceased production of new SACDs altogether while some companies such as Chandos and Sony/BMG have shown a continuing luke-warm commitment to the format.

On the positive side the small companies like PentaTone, Talent, Channel Classics, Capriccio, CPO and 2L have enriched the catalogue immeasurably with a stream of beautifully recorded SACDs of interesting and, often unusual, repertoire. We have also had plenty of releases from orchestras own labels - LSO Live, RCO live, the continuing SFS Mahler cycle and The Philadelphia Orchestra via Ondine etc."

so universal has dropped SACD and Naxos, sony is just kind of there, not knowing whether to leave or stay, and I predict they'll leave in short while unless something miraculous happens.

[dvda-sacd]

Originally Posted by THE STUD

SACD is nearly dead I believe,

If you don't like classical music, you may think SACD is nearly dead.



"It's not immediately visible from the fluctuating line but apart from a peak in late 2004 the number of releases is really quite constant if you look at the moving average (I've taken a 6-month average here)." The average remains stable; it's more than 2 SACDs per day. Not bad for a "dead" format.

Cheers!

[Deciazulado]

I just bought an amazing deluxe book edition hybrid multi-channel SACD of Don Quijote de la Mancha - Music and Romances by AliaVox . It has 2 music discs and the case is/encases a 275 glossy page hardcover book with color photos and commentaries in English and 6 other languages plus a full color catalog of their releases. Feels just like when I bought those Deluxe Box set Laserdisc editions like the T2. So nope not dead for me.

[dobyblue]

The best two sites for staying abreast of SACD news are
www.sa-cd.net
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/sacd.asp

I find it odd that Sony would have included SACD on the PS3 and have released an updating which betters the SACD support allowing for native DSD out if they were suddenly going to stop supporting it; the biggest single music company in the world would have no problem continuing support for SACD by themselves anyway.

New releases are still on the way from Depeche Mode, Genesis, Moody Blues, The Pixies and others.

Sony just announced in January that they're bringing out car SACD players.

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/ne...umber=10972765

Comments from Sony SACD Project Officials
Included in the announcement of the three SACD Car Stereo units was a statement from Sony's Super Audio CD Project group.

Yushi Igarashi, General Manager of the Sony Super Audio CD project based in Tokyo said that the three Super Audio CD Car Stereo products are "a tremendously exciting development. Last year Sony Computer Entertainment included SA-CD playback with PlayStation 3, giving far greater opportunities to people to listen to their favorite music on this stunning HD audio format. Now, SA-CD can be listened to in the car, which is a key application in winning over music lover’s hearts and minds.

At Sony we remain committed to driving ahead with SA-CD integration and to this end we are continually developing SA-CD capable hardware in order to broaden the HD music world."

We'll keep an eye on this development and give you more information on these three SACD Car Entertainment players as they near market availability later in 2007.

SACD tops 4,000 titles

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/ne...umber=15587172

Where do you see Universal dropping SACD support?

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I'm really not sure how heavily Universal was supporting SACD anyway. I don't count a single release from them in my collection. Mine are almost all from Virgin, Mute or Sony/BMG.

Universal was not a huge supporter of SACD, but released lots of titles I would consider essential on SACD, depending on your taste. For example, the entire output of the Police and all Elton John's early stuff is available on SACD from Universal. Some of the greatest jazz albums are as well, including Coltrane's A Love Supreme, the Getz/Gilberto and Louis Armstrong/Ella Fitzgerald.

Rock staple SACDs from Universal include Eat a Peach and Live at the Fillmore by the Allman Brothers, Derek and the Dominos--Layla, etc.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Universal was not a huge supporter of SACD, but released lots of titles I would consider essential on SACD, depending on your taste. For example, the entire output of the Police and all Elton John's early stuff is available on SACD from Universal. Some of the greatest jazz albums are as well, including Coltrane's A Love Supreme, the Getz/Gilberto and Louis Armstrong/Ella Fitzgerald.

Rock staple SACDs from Universal include Eat a Peach and Live at the Fillmore by the Allman Brothers, Derek and the Dominos--Layla, etc.

Then I do have several Universal SACD's.

I know they were announcing new classical titles as early as this year and I can't find anything about them not supporting SACD anymore.