Help with DTS MA

[Mikesamuel08]

Onkyo

HDMI audio output: On


PS3

a:HDMI set to LPCM
b:Audio settings set to Auto and picking up 2 of 2ch. LPCM.
c:Put in a movie with DTS MS pick. Press Select and DTS MA shows up on the screen.

I was still able to change the surrond sound on my Onkyo to were it was mix. SO is that sill DTS MA?

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by Mikesamuel08

Quick question, I have set my PS3 to LPCM for HDMI output and on sound settings I put it on auto set up and it picked up 2 Ch. LPCM only. Now when I played a movie with DTS MA sounds, PS3 still send out DTS MA and I was still able to mix DTS MA with my receiver with all other sounds on my receiver. I was still able to get the same loudness and clarity; so is that still DTS MA I am hearing?

when you put the blu-ray in under sound options/audio options you have to pick DTS HDMA... otherwise it will default to whatever the default setting is. Your receiver does not have to be set to DTS HDMA...

[Mikesamuel08]

Originally Posted by savage1984

when you put the blu-ray in under sound options/audio options you have to pick DTS HDMA... otherwise it will default to whatever the default setting is. Your receiver does not have to be set to DTS HDMA...

Yes, I pick DTS MA and I can see it by pressing select on the controller.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by Mikesamuel08

Yes, I pick DTS MA and I can see it by pressing select on the controller.

so what is the problem? If you see DTS MA on the screen when you press select, that's what you're hearing...

[Mikesamuel08]

[QUOTE=savage1984;808269]so what is the problem? If you see DTS MA on the screen when you press select, that's what you're hearing...[/QUOTE

Well you see, I have Onkyo 605 and since I only check all 2 Ch. LPCM on audio settings on my PS3. My receiver was able to change to many diffrent kinds of surround sound. So could that be considerd DTS MA sound if I am mixing it?

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by Mikesamuel08

Well you see, I have Onkyo 605 and since I only check all 2 Ch. LPCM on audio settings on my PS3. My receiver was able to change to many diffrent kinds of surround sound. So could that be considerd DTS MA sound if I am mixing it?

I have the 605 as well, but I also have 5.1 surround... why not uncheck the 2 ch. LPCM, that way your audio can reach the 3.1 other speakers... I'm sorry if I'm not being helpful. I'm at work and am not looking at my ps3 right now. If I was I'm sure some of what you're saying would make more sense.

Anyone here able to help, please do.

[DutchBoy]

I'm not absolutely sure I understand, but it sounds as though you have your DTS-MA going into your receiver as 2 channel PCM (per your settings in the PS3), even though you have a 7.1 receiver and the ability for more channels...

If that's the case, my question would be why?!?

Sounds as though you have 2 channel going in, and your manipulating the settings on your 605 to send it out to the other speakers (matrixing).

Bottom line is, if you're not sending a 5.1/7.1 signal to the receiver, and you're forcing it into 2 channel, you're not getting full DTS-MA sound. You're getting a watered down version of it, and just sending that watered-down version to all of your speakers.

Maybe I'm missing something...

If you're not forcing it into 2 channel yourself, I'm not sure why the PS3 isn't automatically selecting the 5.1 and 7.1 PCMs for you. Have you tried manually checking them off in the settings on the PS3? I know you have a 605, but are you actually running HDMI into it for audio, or optical?

[Mikesamuel08]

Originally Posted by DutchBoy

I'm not absolutely sure I understand, but it sounds as though you have your DTS-MA going into your receiver as 2 channel PCM (per your settings in the PS3), even though you have a 7.1 receiver and the ability for more channels...

If that's the case, my question would be why?!?

Sounds as though you have 2 channel going in, and your manipulating the settings on your 605 to send it out to the other speakers (matrixing).

Bottom line is, if you're not sending a 5.1/7.1 signal to the receiver, and you're forcing it into 2 channel, you're not getting full DTS-MA sound. You're getting a watered down version of it, and just sending that watered-down version to all of your speakers.

Maybe I'm missing something...

If you're not forcing it into 2 channel yourself, I'm not sure why the PS3 isn't automatically selecting the 5.1 and 7.1 PCMs for you. Have you tried manually checking them off in the settings on the PS3? I know you have a 605, but are you actually running HDMI into it for audio, or optical?

I can check all the boxes on sound settings. The only way for the auto audio to work on the sound settings on the PS3 if I change the HDMI audio out put on my Onky 605 settings to off; rather then on and that would only allow only to sense two of 2 ch. by efault on auto search, on audio settings. I didnt check any of the box because I hate listening to 3.1 ch. when play music on the PS3.

[DutchBoy]

Color me bamboozled... anyone else?

[Sonny]

The OP's just not following....

[Mikesamuel08]

Originally Posted by DutchBoy

Color me bamboozled... anyone else?

So if I am not forcing my PS3 on the audio settings to play it at 5.1 or 7.1 LPCM; having it set by default and still being able to play DTS MA tracks and viewing it on the screen. And having my Onkyo 605 mixing the surround sound; is that still DTS MA sound?

[DutchBoy]

Using HDMI or optical?

When you press select on your PS3 controller, what does it tell you the PS3 is processing? DTS-HD MA 5.1/7.1? What's the PS3 say exactly?

What does the display on your 605 say you are listening to?

Bottom line: If the PS3 isn't processing DTS-HD MA 5.1 or 7.1, or your 605 isn't receiving 5.1 or 7.1 PCM (I believe the Onkyo should say Multi. Channel PCM on it) then you aren't getting true DTS-HD MA.

Rereading, apparently hitting select on your PS3 controller says you are getting DTS-MA processed. What's the receiver say you are getting? And please clarify you are using an HDMI cable for sound, and not an optical... The reason I'm asking again is because the ONLY time I've seen my PS3 automatically choose 2.0 PCM as an option for me was when I was using optical as my connection in system settings.

[Mikesamuel08]

Originally Posted by DutchBoy

Using HDMI or optical?

When you press select on your PS3 controller, what does it tell you the PS3 is processing? DTS-HD MA 5.1/7.1? What's the PS3 say exactly?

What does the display on your 605 say you are listening to?

Bottom line: If the PS3 isn't processing DTS-HD MA 5.1 or 7.1, or your 605 isn't receiving 5.1 or 7.1 PCM (I believe the Onkyo should say Multi. Channel PCM on it) then you aren't getting true DTS-HD MA.

Rereading, apparently hitting select on your PS3 controller says you are getting DTS-MA processed. What's the receiver say you are getting? And please clarify you are using an HDMI cable for sound, and not an optical... The reason I'm asking again is because the ONLY time I've seen my PS3 automatically choose 2.0 PCM as an option for me was when I was using optical as my connection in system settings.

Onkyo

HDMI audio output: On


PS3

a:HDMI set to LPCM
b:Audio settings set to Auto and picking up 2 of 2ch. LPCM.
c:Put in a movie with DTS MS pick

I was still able to change the surround sound on my Onkyo to were it was mix. SO is that sill DTS MA?

I am using HDMI 1.3
DTS MA shows up when I press <Select>.

[DutchBoy]

Heavens to mergatroid...

If you're sending out a 2 channel PCM signal, then no, you are NOT getting true DTS-MA.

Getting a 2 channel signal and letting the 605 "mix" it out to the other speakers is NOT giving you a true DTS-MA signal.

Gonna go out on a limb here and say you're NOT getting DTS-MA.

The ONLY way you're getting the right sound is if the PS3 is sending out 5.1 or 7.1 PCM; NOT 2 channel.

[RIPSeanTaylor21]

Hi, its very easy.
1. Make sure you ve connected AVR and bluray player via HDMI cord.
2. Set your bluray player to output 'Bitstream' instead of 'PCM' in Audio Options.
When receiver 'feel' bitstream data it will automaticaly recognize data type and switch to proper decoding mode, f.e. 'DTS HD MSTR' for DTS-HD Master Audio or 'DOLBY TrueHD' for Dolby True HD signal.
If you can't do that with your player you will still see 'MULTI CH AUDIO IN' or whatever on AVR main screen.

[DutchBoy]

Originally Posted by RIPSeanTaylor21

Hi, its very easy.
1. Make sure you ve connected AVR and bluray player via HDMI cord.
2. Set your bluray player to output 'Bitstream' instead of 'PCM' in Audio Options.
When receiver 'feel' bitstream data it will automaticaly recognize data type and switch to proper decoding mode, f.e. 'DTS HD MSTR' for DTS-HD Master Audio or 'DOLBY TrueHD' for Dolby True HD signal.
If you can't do that with your player you will still see 'MULTI CH AUDIO IN' or whatever on AVR main screen.

No offense, but the OP has a PS3. It will NOT bitstream those codecs and has to be set on LPCM.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by DutchBoy

No offense, but the OP has a PS3. It will NOT bitstream those codecs and has to be set on LPCM.

Exactly.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by DutchBoy

The ONLY way you're getting the right sound is if the PS3 is sending out 5.1 or 7.1 PCM; NOT 2 channel.

Exactly.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Mikesamuel08

So if I am not forcing my PS3 on the audio settings to play it at 5.1 or 7.1 LPCM; having it set by default and still being able to play DTS MA tracks and viewing it on the screen. And having my Onkyo 605 mixing the surround sound; is that still DTS MA sound?

You need to make sure that ALL of the audio options in the PS3 sound settings are selected! Since you have an Onkyo 605 just do this and you should be fine. As it is now, it sounds like you are only getting 2 ch PCM which is then being faked into a surround signal by the receiver. Effectively, if I'm right about your situation, your receiver is using the FL and FR sound streams to create a single third stream that is being played through both rear speakers... which is the complete opposite of DTS HD MA.

It definitely sounds like a playback unit issue though and not receiver... unless you are using an optical cable for audio, in which case optical cables can only handle 2 ch PCM.

[DutchBoy]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

You need to make sure that ALL of the audio options in the PS3 sound settings are selected! Since you have an Onkyo 605 just do this and you should be fine. As it is now, it sounds like you are only getting 2 ch PCM which is then being faked into a surround signal by the receiver. Effectively, if I'm right about your situation, your receiver is using the FL and FR sound streams to create a single third stream that is being played through both rear speakers... which is the complete opposite of DTS HD MA.

It definitely sounds like a playback unit issue though and not receiver... unless you are using an optical cable for audio, in which case optical cables can only handle 2 ch PCM.

I must've asked what cable (actual cable was being used) couple times at least. I dunno whether the OP actually answered me or not (telling me the HDMI version doesn't count), but two things:
a) optical only gives 2 channels like you said
b) optical is the only time I've ever heard of a PS3 setting it to 2 channel PCM when set on 'auto'...

I really would like to hear, "I am using an HDMI cable for my sound..." - it sure would help...

Then it's just a matter of checking off those boxes in the PS3 settings if they aren't already checked (for whatever reason...)

Here's what's needed:
1 - HDMI cable
2 - make sure under BDVD settings on the PS3 that HDMI is set to Linear PCM
3 - make sure under sound settings on the PS3, that HDMI is chosen, and that all the boxes are checked (2.0, 5.1 AND 7.1)

That should do it. If I've missed anything, someone let me know.