PS3 PCM - I'm getting 5.0 surround - Blu-ray Forum

DefTechPioElite · 05-01-2008, 04:24 PM

When I play games that are PCM, like burnout or GTAIV, my receiver shows 5.1 or 7.1, but there is no sound from my sub. Movies play in 5.1 PCM with no problem. If I uncheck the PCM options under "Sound Settings" on the XMB, I get the lossy DD or DTS track and that plays 5.1 just fine. I dont like having to uncheck the PCM options everytime I play a game! I originally thought this was a game issue for Burnout, but it is now happening with GTA as well. So, it seems like a PS3 issue. Anyone care to chime in? My equipment is in my sig. IF no one can help, should I contact Sony? Thanks guys and gals.

rogman · 05-01-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DefTechPioElite

When I play games that are PCM, like burnout or GTAIV, my receiver shows 5.1 or 7.1, but there is no sound from my sub. Movies play in 5.1 PCM with no problem. If I uncheck the PCM options under "Sound Settings" on the XMB, I get the lossy DD or DTS track and that plays 5.1 just fine. I dont like having to uncheck the PCM options everytime I play a game! I originally thought this was a game issue for Burnout, but it is now happening with GTA as well. So, it seems like a PS3 issue. Anyone care to chime in? My equipment is in my sig. IF no one can help, should I contact Sony? Thanks guys and gals.

I have the same receiver as yours, an Elite 92. While I haven't played the games you mention, I've played several others with no issues. The sub plays just fine on all of them.

Are you using the receiver in 'direct mode'? If you try using a DSP or THX mode instead does it help? That's a strange one, I haven't heard of it before...

DefTechPioElite · 05-02-2008, 05:01 AM

I use it in pure direct mode, I just dont know if it is the receiver or PS3. I really think it's the PS3 or just the way certain games work, but I hope I'm wrong. This is only on games that have a PCM track, so if the game only has Dolby Digital, it will play fine. Again, my Pioneer recognizes and displays PCM 5.1, but my sub plays nothing and just does auto shutoff eventually.

rogman · 05-02-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DefTechPioElite

I use it in pure direct mode, I just dont know if it is the receiver or PS3. I really think it's the PS3 or just the way certain games work, but I hope I'm wrong. This is only on games that have a PCM track, so if the game only has Dolby Digital, it will play fine. Again, my Pioneer recognizes and displays PCM 5.1, but my sub plays nothing and just does auto shutoff eventually.

I'll dig into the menus when I get home today. Not sure if the games I have (MLB The Show,GT5 Prologue,RockBand) have a PCM track. Can't imagine why it wouldn't work though...

Shin-Ra · 05-02-2008, 01:47 PM

GT5:P supports up to 7.1 LPCM.

rogman · 05-02-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

GT5:P supports up to 7.1 LPCM.

Thanks. I don't think I have any issues with my setup with that title. I'll stick my ear in the sub when I get home- just to make sure!!

jkwest · 05-02-2008, 02:55 PM

hmm....

do you have the volume down low?
On my setup, if I have the volume below a certain threshold, the sub never comes out of hibernation.

A long one, I know, but, who knows...

Pelican170 · 05-02-2008, 02:57 PM

Well, maybe the problem is that you have it in Pure Mode. Pure Mode doesnt allow the receiver to mess with the signal in any way and maybe your receiver needs to matrix the last 2 channels?

rogman · 05-02-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Well, maybe the problem is that you have it in Pure Mode. Pure Mode doesnt allow the receiver to mess with the signal in any way and maybe your receiver needs to matrix the last 2 channels?

I was going to mention that too. Pure direct mode bypasses all EQ that was calibrated in the MCACC setup. Try direct, and turn the sub 'on' (not auto) first. Not sure of the volumes you're listening, but we can eliminate one thing at a time...

kingofgrills · 05-02-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DefTechPioElite

I use it in pure direct mode, I just dont know if it is the receiver or PS3. I really think it's the PS3 or just the way certain games work, but I hope I'm wrong. This is only on games that have a PCM track, so if the game only has Dolby Digital, it will play fine. Again, my Pioneer recognizes and displays PCM 5.1, but my sub plays nothing and just does auto shutoff eventually.

Don't use it in Pure Direct mode. That's your problem. Pure Direct mode will not bypass LFE signals to a subwoofer. Pure Direct mode does no signal processing at all, so the proper way to use it is to have full range speakers for all channels.

Take it off Pure Direct, and your sub will work fine.

DefTechPioElite · 05-02-2008, 10:54 PM

tried using everything except pure direct, same problem. and my volume is usually between -20 and -30, sometimes -10 if im gettin saucy

Cossa · 06-23-2008, 05:53 PM

I know this post is over a month old, but I just wanted to provide one more bit of information. In addition to setting PCM mode to "direct" (not pure direct), you should also check your speaker "size" settings. MCACC is notorious for setting your front speakers to "LARGE" which send an incorrect of the LFE signal to the front speakers, rather than being handled by the sub.

Go into your speaker setup and make sure the front/center speakers are set to "SMALL". This will force the receiver to send a larger bass range to the sub, as is appropriate.

Snah · 06-24-2008, 08:57 AM

You also need to set your subwoofer to not only "on" but also "PLUS".

I had this problem when I set up my system with the Pioneer 92. I was playing music on my PS3 and no sound was coming out of the sub. Changing the setting to "PLUS" resolved it.

05-01-2008, 04:24 PM	#1
DefTechPioElite Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:23 Blu-ray collection:108 Blu-ray reviews:1	PS3 PCM - I'm getting 5.0 surround When I play games that are PCM, like burnout or GTAIV, my receiver shows 5.1 or 7.1, but there is no sound from my sub. Movies play in 5.1 PCM with no problem. If I uncheck the PCM options under "Sound Settings" on the XMB, I get the lossy DD or DTS track and that plays 5.1 just fine. I dont like having to uncheck the PCM options everytime I play a game! I originally thought this was a game issue for Burnout, but it is now happening with GTA as well. So, it seems like a PS3 issue. Anyone care to chime in? My equipment is in my sig. IF no one can help, should I contact Sony? Thanks guys and gals.

05-02-2008, 10:54 PM	#11
DefTechPioElite Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:23 Blu-ray collection:108 Blu-ray reviews:1	no tried using everything except pure direct, same problem. and my volume is usually between -20 and -30, sometimes -10 if im gettin saucy Last edited by DefTechPioElite; 05-02-2008 at 10:58 PM.

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05-02-2008, 05:01 AM	#3
DefTechPioElite Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:23 Blu-ray collection:108 Blu-ray reviews:1	I use it in pure direct mode, I just dont know if it is the receiver or PS3. I really think it's the PS3 or just the way certain games work, but I hope I'm wrong. This is only on games that have a PCM track, so if the game only has Dolby Digital, it will play fine. Again, my Pioneer recognizes and displays PCM 5.1, but my sub plays nothing and just does auto shutoff eventually.

05-02-2008, 01:47 PM	#5
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	GT5:P supports up to 7.1 LPCM.

05-02-2008, 02:55 PM	#7
jkwest Off-Topic King Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern California PSN Id: jkwest5 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:20	hmm.... do you have the volume down low? On my setup, if I have the volume below a certain threshold, the sub never comes out of hibernation. A long one, I know, but, who knows...

05-02-2008, 02:57 PM	#8
Pelican170 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Newtown, CT 4K collection:127 Blu-ray collection:735 DVD collection:256 Trading Score:13	Well, maybe the problem is that you have it in Pure Mode. Pure Mode doesnt allow the receiver to mess with the signal in any way and maybe your receiver needs to matrix the last 2 channels?

06-23-2008, 05:53 PM	#12
Cossa Member Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray reviews:4	I know this post is over a month old, but I just wanted to provide one more bit of information. In addition to setting PCM mode to "direct" (not pure direct), you should also check your speaker "size" settings. MCACC is notorious for setting your front speakers to "LARGE" which send an incorrect of the LFE signal to the front speakers, rather than being handled by the sub. Go into your speaker setup and make sure the front/center speakers are set to "SMALL". This will force the receiver to send a larger bass range to the sub, as is appropriate.

06-24-2008, 08:57 AM	#13
Snah Member Member since:Jan 2008	You also need to set your subwoofer to not only "on" but also "PLUS". I had this problem when I set up my system with the Pioneer 92. I was playing music on my PS3 and no sound was coming out of the sub. Changing the setting to "PLUS" resolved it.

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