BOSE Acoustimass/Lifestyle systems - why you should steer clear!!

[btf1980]

Originally Posted by Entertainment72

This thread is all about a personal agenda people have against "popular" "main stream" items.. such as iPhones.. etc.. how many I hate iPhone threads do you see from people who NEVER owned or used one LMAO!

I've never seen a statement so off base in my life. We carry and sell bose, and I will come off the record and tell you that it stinks. Just embarrassing. What's my personal agenda there?

The reason why it is irrelevant is because the typical bose buyer is not an enthusiast of any kind. It's simply name recognition. No speaker company has a prolific profile like bose. They saturate the airwaves and media, so their marketing people are doing a bang up job. However, having great marketing and advertising does not mean your product is good. Luckily for bose, the people who view their ads don't know any better. If a speaker is audible and works, that suffices for that crowd. They are "ahem" lifestyle speakers. If quality mattered to a buyer, then that person probably would not be buying speakers that have ice cream cone scoop like woofers. I mean seriously.

I watched a bose presentation video through work, and I kind of felt bad for the bose rep. He was just doing his job, but you can tell even he didn't have any faith in what he was saying. Poor fella.....he has to go around singing the virtues of the acoustimass.....

[Entertainment72]

Ooook.. this is about what you get for your money? IF you paid more than $599 for a Blu-ray player you've BEEN HAD son!

So JUST as people who have purchased BOSE been had SO has the person who purchased a BD player for more than $599... $599 because that's what the PS3 cost of which blows any other BD player out of the water including the BD30.. Let me check my e-mail on the BD30.. not!

I feel bad for people who paid $1000 for a BD player.. aluminum.. bitstream or not.. lets start a thread on how the public been had.

This thread IS about a personal agenda.. it is just covered in muck with an "overpriced" value theory.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Entertainment72

Ooook.. this is about what you get for your money? IF you paid more than $599 for a Blu-ray player you've BEEN HAD son!

So JUST as people who have purchased BOSE been had SO has the person who purchased a BD player for more than $599... $599 because that's what the PS3 cost of which blows any other BD player out of the water including the BD30.. Let me check my e-mail on the BD30.. not!

I feel bad for people who paid $1000 for a BD player.. aluminum.. bitstream or not.. lets start a thread on how the public been had.

This thread IS about a personal agenda.. it is just covered in muck with an "overpriced" value theory.

a) you've obviously never watched the playback on the Denon BD, the PS3 might load up quicker, but it certainly does not blow it out of the water, in fact when it comes to PQ and SQ it is handily BESTED by the Denon. That's why people pay that much for it.
b) Comparing video performance of an entire MEDIA to speakers from a single COMPANY is incongrous and ridiculous
c) People still pay $6,999 for a CD player
d) There are facts here and scientific testing. When you present us with some scientific evidence to show that BOSE indeed is outperformed by just about every other company out there, we'll be happy to look at it. Until then your claims that this is some sort of personal agenda merely out your own emotional attachment as being a previous BOSE owner.
e) Your constant referral back to the iPhone, which is completely irrelevant, is baffling
f) This is about BOSE speakers and nothing more. Your use of misdirection is noted, but it serves no purpose. I don't see any other mainstream idea in here that people are showing to be scientifically bunk and therefore good to steer clear of, in fact I see people like Sonny constantly touting the iPhone to be great; I have no opinion on it because I haven't tried it whereas I have tried BOSE and everytime is the same....it's awful.
g) I have never worked for BOSE, paid for BOSE speakers or owned anything by BOSE in my entire life. They have never done anything to me or anyone in my extended family, so there is ZERO reason to suggest anything here is a personal agenda. Did someone just make-up those frequency response results? Is it all a giant sham and BOSE is actually really good stuff? Wake up please.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by mr.hidef

Where do you people get this *%@# !. My bose speakers put out such extreme high end i usually have to back off the volume some....and low end? shakes my room apart! I must agree, they are made a little cheaper than some, and they definately are overpriced, but my system sounds AWESOME.(could be the ONKYO 805) Ever wonder why when you go to a bose (official store) store, they are always hooked up to ONKYO's?. Oh.and anyone who knows anything about accoustics and soundstages knows that for low end, the cabinet with several smaller speakers (instead of 1 large one) will sound deep, and handle a lot more volume. Someday though, I might have to go with the B&W's, or maybe klipsh references. P.S. Don't ya
'll have anything better to do then slam on people who like bose? I mean come on! grow a pair.

Hmmmmmm? Don't get me wrong I love BD (Blu-ray Disc) but this argument sounds very simular to the argument between HD-DVD or HD-DUD, as it was known here, and BD. People continue to slam Red or Purple people....Even though the format is now DEAD (R.I.P.), people slam people for not loving the PS3 over a standalone. I think its just the nature of humans to find something to slam. If you are satisfied with your speakers - enjoy them - I personally have done several Bose experiments (i.e. replacing speaker with Bose - I have owned the 901's, 501's, 301's, 201's, the AM5's and AM7's) I always leave them because I find something much better. The AM,301, and 201 experiments was an attempt at conserving space - my wife told me to get some "real speakers back in the house - no matter how big and klunky they were"! What a relief for me! Bose is just not my cup of tea - but they may be yours.

P.S. Best speaker Bose ever made was the 301vII hands down

[prerich]

Oh yeah, the last Bose speaker I owned was in 1997 - my final experiment. In my house - that case is closed. Check the sig and see what I dig!

[g217814]

This subject has been covered a hundred times! You either like em or you don't.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Driver_King

Well, it is an American product so you're supporting the best. Just like if you're buying a Microsoft product. If it's American, it's the best. Forget the facts, IT'S AMERICAN!.

That was a little uncalled for.

Some of the best speakers on the market are American.

[Rabidhunter]

I am so glad I never went with Bose. To me it's a joke. Yes, I am listening to Dream Theater on my Zune over my Sony HT-DDW 790 HT in a box reciever. Sure, I know that there are better recievers and speakers out there, but I paid $200 for the system. I'm impressed with the sound, and my wallet didn't take a huge hit. I'm getting more than what I paid for out of them. Dream Theater's music is very demanding, with sounds that range all across the spectrum. I've never heard any distortion from my system yet. I'm happy with what I've got. If I was going on the high end of sound systems, I would go for an Onkyo receiver and Klipesh speakers or something of that sort. But I'm on a Sony budget, and it works. I think I'm getting a better sound out of my system than a Bose, and I paid way less.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

That was a little uncalled for.

Some of the best speakers on the market are American.

Um....North American.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Entertainment72

How much was the Denon.. prove to me its vastly better at PQ.. hell.. prove to me its now better with sound lol.

No you're right, the PS3 is the be all and end all of picture quality and audio quality.

I have the Bose AM16's

Natch.

I paid $800.. I dont think thats bad at all.. for some reason though.. sound does come out of them , I know we are all shocked after 5 years of service.

Sound comes out of my $30 Harman Kardon 2.1 system on my PC too and I've had them since December 2001.

I do not currently use them.. nor am I paid to support them.. I somewhat don't or could care less, but you and others theory of being overpriced garbage is flawed.

How exactly is it flawed?

There are thousands of people who are had everyday.. such as paying for a PT Cruiser (neon) back in the day for $30,000.. I feel bad but hey.. its them.

I'm not very familiar with the PT Cruiser. Did they state that it can do 200 mph or something and it couldn't? BOSE claims that the Acoustimass, and I'm quoting directly from their site, "delivers the clarity of pure, low-frequency reproduction down to the lowest frequencies, even at the loudest levels."
Now THAT is flawed. The lowest frequencies? Clarity even at the loudest levels? Is there something accurate about that statement that I'm missing?

Sure it gets to me the amount of trashing BOSE gets, its like someone paid $3000 for them and recieved no sound.. be funny.. to you probably it really is no sound.. but in general you do hear something.

Again, see my previous post about my $30 speakers. I do hear something too, in fact it's quite loud, but it's not clarity and it's not worth more than $30. Likewise the Acoustimass 16 is not worth more than $200.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by Entertainment72

So JUST as people who have purchased BOSE been had SO has the person who purchased a BD player for more than $599... $599 because that's what the PS3 cost of which blows any other BD player out of the water including the BD30.. Let me check my e-mail on the BD30.. not!

Speaking as a PS3 owner, I have to say your post is full of drivel. Exactly what has the ability to read email got to do with the playback of Blu-ray discs? (Hint: none.) If you really think the PS3--as fine a BD player as it is--is as good as or better than top end models from the likes of Denon, Marantz, and Pioneer (I'll steer clear of the more esoteric brands), you're seriously delusional.

Is the PS the best value for money BD player? Almost definately. Is the PS3 the best BD player? Nope.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by richteer

Speaking as a PS3 owner, I have to say your post is full of drivel. Exactly what has the ability to read email got to do with the playback of Blu-ray discs? (Hint: none.) If you really think the PS3--as fine a BD player as it is--is as good as or better than top end models from the likes of Denon, Marantz, and Pioneer (I'll steer clear of the more esoteric brands), you're seriously delusional.

Is the PS the best value for money BD player? Almost definately. Is the PS3 the best BD player? Nope.

AMEN....

I purchased 2 PS3s for use as BD Players, but once the format is solidified, and prices become more controlled.... I'll certainly sell both of them, and purchase a Marantz (more than likely) or other higher end player. If you think there is no difference in AQ/PQ between these players and the PS3, you're crazy....

[Maverick6161]

I have to admit I was a sucker and bought the Bose Accoustimass 6 5.1 system on an impulse buy after my mate convinced me how good they sounded. Got them home, set them up and......what crap. The worst sounding speakers ever. Promptly took them back and forked out some extra money for the B&W MT30 5.1 system. It pays to read honest reviews from these forums before handing over your hard earned cash.

[Azyiu]

Ok now, so as you can tell from my sig I own a Bose LifeStyle 18 system, and some of you might think I am an idiot.

First thing first, I knew Bose isn't the best out there, but I still went for it for its simplicity and my needs. Anyway, so what would you guys recommend for my next system or around the same price or less? Please keep in mind I like things simple.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Ok now, so as you can tell from my sig I own a Bose LifeStyle 18 system, and some of you might think I am an idiot.

First thing first, I knew Bose isn't the best out there, but I still went for it for its simplicity and my needs. Anyway, so what would you guys recommend for my next system or around the same price or less? Please keep in mind I like things simple.

I'm familiar with the systems etc.... but not the prices.... what is a "similar price" ??? how much was your Lifestyle 18 system?


EDIT...

Looked it up... and there are more than one series, but I'm guessing around $1,500 ??? sound right?

Either way... what I'd do, is $1,500-$1,700

1) buy a receiver ($350-$400) Doesn't need to do the latest CODECS if you have a PS3 that will do the decoding, just HDMI, and you'll be all set... there are a LOT of suggestions out there (I'm not a fan of some, and love some others) There is a new Denon in that price range that I haven't heard, but Denon's have a very pleasant sound....

2) Buy a complete series, whether you're looking for small sattellite speakers, or larger ones.

What are you looking for, and we can give you recommendations based on that? Small Satellites, I Like the M-1's from B&W (got them on order for the bedroom, and picked up a $350 receiver to go with it already ) but Cambridge Soundworks makes good ones, Axiom I believe makes good satellites, but I haven't heard them (and THAT is the key.... you need to listen to speakers for yourself)


Little more info on what you are looking for, otherwise you'll get CRAZY recommendations from across the board..... and we'll try to keep it simple!

[Azyiu]

Yeah, around $1,500 or so would be my budget, I think.

I just need something basic for movies, rock music (listen to a ton of Pink Floyd, Dream Theater, Vai, Satriani, Queen etc), and of course gaming sometimes.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Yeah, around $1,500 or so would be my budget, I think.

I just need something basic for movies, rock music (listen to a ton of Pink Floyd, Dream Theater, Vai, Satriani, Queen etc), and of course gaming sometimes.

Well... not sure if you want "bigger" speakers for the rock, but I Ordered these for my bedroom, and I'm using the PS3 to decode the HD-Audio, so the Receiver just passes it through..... GREAT deal, and I've listened to the speakers, and I'm hard-pressed to find a better sound in such a small speaker.


http://www.accessories4less.com/make...r-SALE-/1.html


and


http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/displa...fid=1480&sc=ht

(but I'm getting the 5 satellites and not the sub) You can match a nice 8" or 10" sub with it.

You should be able to get a sub, the sat's and the receiver for all around $1,700 (which pushes the budget I know!)



If you want bigger speakers, there is always Polks, etc. But I'm more of a Definitive Technology, Paradigm, or B&W fan (stick with companies that pretty much do nothing but speakers.....)

Find a dealer of some of those, and give them a listen. Many people like Klipsch, but I find the horn designed speakers harsh, and although maybe more suitable for home-theater, they're not on par for music (especially things like Floyd/Dream Theater)

[Azyiu]

Thanks for the info, dude, and I will definitely ask more questions when I am about to do it.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Thanks for the info, dude, and I will definitely ask more questions when I am about to do it.

I'm also not sure what prices are in Hong Kong

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I'm also not sure what prices are in Hong Kong

Not much different than over in the US. There might be a few items going cheaper here, but if you are getting pieces together, chances are you end up paying about the same. Ok, we don't have sales tax here, so you save on taxes for sure.