The Half-Terabyte Playstation 3 (500GB PS3) - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

richieb1971 · 05-20-2008, 11:23 PM

I put 320gb in one of my PS3's recently and it shows as 298GB available to use.

I have another PS3 that will get the same treatment shortly. However, I will only use another 320GB drive.

I'm actually going to buy an external My book Western Digital 1TB external for mass storage as it matches the PS3's black glossy finish. You only need internal storage for game data, movies and pictures. Storing music on there is a right pain in the ass.

ADRiiAN` · 05-21-2008, 12:22 AM

I actually might save up for this one.
Gotta love Tigerdirect discounts !

superdynamite · 05-21-2008, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADRiiAN`

I actually might save up for this one.
Gotta love Tigerdirect discounts !

I use Newegg.com

DeathByAsh'aman · 05-21-2008, 06:56 AM

The PS3 doesnt recognize less space its a descrepancy in how a gigabyte is defined a la the company vs. what your computer/game console actually reads. There are tons of threads out there about this. If you bought the 320 GB hard drive and put it in a laptop you would get the same reading as with the PS3. Go read reviews on hard drives at newegg everyone says the same thing whether the drive was fir there computer or for the PS3. Theres no bug its just a difference in the definition of gigabyte.

Edit: Wikipedia says this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte

"As of 2007, most consumer hard drives are defined by their gigabyte-range capacities. The true capacity is usually some number above or below the class designation. Although most manufacturers of hard disks and Flash disks define 1 gigabyte as 1,000,000,000 bytes, the computer operating systems used by most users usually calculate a gigabyte by dividing the bytes (whether it is disk capacity, file size, or system RAM) by 1,073,741,824. This distinction is a cause of confusion, as a hard disk with a manufacturer rated capacity of 400 gigabytes may have its capacity reported by the operating system as only 372 GB, depending on the type of report.

The difference between units based on SI and binary prefixes increases exponentially — in other words, an SI kilobyte is nearly 98% as much as a kibibyte, but a megabyte is under 96% as much as a mebibyte, and a gigabyte is just over 93% as much as a gibibyte. This means that a 500 GB hard disk drive would appear as "465 GB". As storage sizes get larger and higher units are used, this difference will become more pronounced."

Theres much more on the subject via the link. Hope this answered the question about the difference.

Edit #2: I have a 320 GB drive myself and doing the math described in the article if you take 320,000,000,000 divided by 1,073,741,824 you get 298.023 yada yada yada.. so the article is dead on.

Zaphod · 05-21-2008, 07:14 AM

Hmmmm, no info on the read/write/seek times. Also with this large of a drive only 8 Mb of cache is pretty small...

Malosch78 · 05-21-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7eVEn

Nice news! but i have upgrade my Ps3 on 750GB 108€ ($168 £86)

http://www.pianetashop.it/hdsamsung7...ml?language=it

750 GB!? ... How the hell did you do that? Isn't 500 the max for a PS3? And can you even buy a 750 GB Leptop-Harddisk?

MotionJuice · 05-21-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7eVEn

Nice news! but i have upgrade my Ps3 on 750GB 108€ ($168 £86)

http://www.pianetashop.it/hdsamsung7...ml?language=it

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malosch78

750 GB!? ... How the hell did you do that? Isn't 500 the max for a PS3? And can you even buy a 750 GB Leptop-Harddisk?

#1, 500gb is the largest 2.5 drive made.
#2, the drive in the link is a Samsung PC HDD.
#3, the picture is of a Western Digital 2.5 drive, not of the drive advertised.

Leave it up to a site from a second world country to get the pic wrong.
LOL. nice try.

DNA · 05-21-2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7eVEn

Nice news! but i have upgrade my Ps3 on 750GB 108€ ($168 £86)

http://www.pianetashop.it/hdsamsung7...ml?language=it

Post a pic of the PS3 menu screen where it says 750gb...

Oh, you can't...

I wonder why.

We have a liar in our midst.

HiDefSushi · 05-21-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7eVEn

Nice news! but i have upgrade my Ps3 on 750GB 108€ ($168 £86)

http://www.pianetashop.it/hdsamsung7...ml?language=it

Yeah, why lie? That's so lame. 500gb 2.5 is already known to be the largest.

HiDefSushi · 05-21-2008, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richieb1971

I put 320gb in one of my PS3's recently and it shows as 298GB available to use.

I have another PS3 that will get the same treatment shortly. However, I will only use another 320GB drive.

I'm actually going to buy an external My book Western Digital 1TB external for mass storage as it matches the PS3's black glossy finish. You only need internal storage for game data, movies and pictures. Storing music on there is a right pain in the ass.

External drives have a greater chance of error then internal. I would rethink you decision if I were you.

500 is more then enough.

maximiza · 05-21-2008, 02:15 PM

Gigamazing!!!!!!

ascian · 05-21-2008, 02:23 PM

For those worried a bout 7200 vs 5400, the difference is rather insignificant. I wouldn't worry about it either way.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/10/02/...s-performance/

That should get you started, but you can always google for more.

n90guy · 05-21-2008, 02:31 PM

SO is there a thread here that compares available HDDs? I am considering upgrading and want nothing but the best.

superdynamite · 05-21-2008, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n90guy

SO is there a thread here that compares available HDDs? I am considering upgrading and want nothing but the best.

Back when PS3 was released I read an Interview from someone at Sony. The Sony Technician described how the PS3 was upgradable but also said that if the consumer was to swap out the HDD, it would be best to do so with a Drive that had the same specs as the factory drive. 5400 rpms was one of the specs he mentioned that should be matched.

I always did so accordingly. Just incase.

chnandler_bong · 05-21-2008, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNA

Post a pic of the PS3 menu screen where it says 750gb...

Oh, you can't...

I wonder why.

We have a liar in our midst.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiDefSushi

Yeah, why lie? That's so lame. 500gb 2.5 is already known to be the largest.

You don't have a liar in your midst you noobs. There is an adapter out there that allows you to connect a 3.5" SATA drive to your PS3.

chnandler_bong · 05-21-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckuykendall

You don't have a liar in your midst you noobs. There is an adapter out there that allows you to connect a 3.5" SATA drive to your PS3.

It looks like there are a couple of ways to do it. A quick 5-minute search on Google came up with these various ways to do it:

http://www.myspace.com/playstaion3hddmod
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=12255
http://ps3.qj.net/More-about-PS3-ESA...g/49/aid/83856

Whatstreet · 05-21-2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckuykendall

It looks like there are a couple of ways to do it. A quick 5-minute search on Google came up with these various ways to do it:

http://www.myspace.com/playstaion3hddmod
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=12255
http://ps3.qj.net/More-about-PS3-ESA...g/49/aid/83856

Yes, the SATA and power is cabled out to an external disc.

Toptube · 05-21-2008, 04:15 PM

In the same exact conditions, at the most, 7200rpm drives can get about 5 degrees warmer. But that is almost nothing. typically they are only 2 or 3 degrees warmer. Also conisder that ambient temperature and environment have way more affect. for example, a 5400rpm in the warmth of the afternoon can be warmer than a 7200rpm in the morning.

the only thing to really worry about is possibly a bit more noise/vibration. In this regard, Seagate is usually considered the best (see: no big difference)

Toptube · 05-21-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n90guy

SO is there a thread here that compares available HDDs? I am considering upgrading and want nothing but the best.

The very best would be a 7200rpm Seagate with perpendicular recording. If you don't want the 7200rpm, get the 5400rpm seagate with perpendicular recording. The perpendicular recording allows the 5400 to almost match a standard 7200rpm.

BTS11 · 05-21-2008, 04:31 PM

I have a 250GB drive in my PS3 and it only reads it as a 205GB. I understand perfectly well that though its a 250GB there is space used for file system format. But here's the deal. My buddy added a 320GB to his PS3 and it still only shows 205GB as the capacity. I've read posts and faq pages about swapping the hard drive in the PS3 and wheat it seems to be is, as of now it won't use any more than 205GB. that's all the PS3 system it set to read. HOWEVER, it can be fixed with a firmware update.

This is also similar to the PSP and Sony cell phones that use the memory stick. Originally the PSP upon launch would only allow a MS up to 2GB. now it allows up to 8GB due to firmware updates.

So in conclusion, if you happen to purchase a 500GB drive and add it to your PS3. It may only allow 205GB now, but eventually will read the entire drive with an update and I'm sure with the DVR function coming that update should be soon. The bad news is, if you use that 500GB now and the update comes to increase the read capacity, you would have to re-format the drive in order to use the whole 500GB.

05-21-2008, 06:56 AM	#44
DeathByAsh'aman Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Out West PSNetwork: DanceTheSpears	The PS3 doesnt recognize less space its a descrepancy in how a gigabyte is defined a la the company vs. what your computer/game console actually reads. There are tons of threads out there about this. If you bought the 320 GB hard drive and put it in a laptop you would get the same reading as with the PS3. Go read reviews on hard drives at newegg everyone says the same thing whether the drive was fir there computer or for the PS3. Theres no bug its just a difference in the definition of gigabyte. Edit: Wikipedia says this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte "As of 2007, most consumer hard drives are defined by their gigabyte-range capacities. The true capacity is usually some number above or below the class designation. Although most manufacturers of hard disks and Flash disks define 1 gigabyte as 1,000,000,000 bytes, the computer operating systems used by most users usually calculate a gigabyte by dividing the bytes (whether it is disk capacity, file size, or system RAM) by 1,073,741,824. This distinction is a cause of confusion, as a hard disk with a manufacturer rated capacity of 400 gigabytes may have its capacity reported by the operating system as only 372 GB, depending on the type of report. The difference between units based on SI and binary prefixes increases exponentially — in other words, an SI kilobyte is nearly 98% as much as a kibibyte, but a megabyte is under 96% as much as a mebibyte, and a gigabyte is just over 93% as much as a gibibyte. This means that a 500 GB hard disk drive would appear as "465 GB". As storage sizes get larger and higher units are used, this difference will become more pronounced." Theres much more on the subject via the link. Hope this answered the question about the difference. Edit #2: I have a 320 GB drive myself and doing the math described in the article if you take 320,000,000,000 divided by 1,073,741,824 you get 298.023 yada yada yada.. so the article is dead on. Last edited by DeathByAsh'aman; 05-21-2008 at 07:04 AM.

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05-20-2008, 11:23 PM	#41
richieb1971 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:89 Blu-ray collection:706 Trading Score:16	I put 320gb in one of my PS3's recently and it shows as 298GB available to use. I have another PS3 that will get the same treatment shortly. However, I will only use another 320GB drive. I'm actually going to buy an external My book Western Digital 1TB external for mass storage as it matches the PS3's black glossy finish. You only need internal storage for game data, movies and pictures. Storing music on there is a right pain in the ass.

05-21-2008, 12:22 AM	#42
ADRiiAN` Special Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:113	I actually might save up for this one. Gotta love Tigerdirect discounts !

05-21-2008, 07:14 AM	#45
Zaphod Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2007 Location:A small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse. Blu-ray collection:350 Trading Score:4	Hmmmm, no info on the read/write/seek times. Also with this large of a drive only 8 Mb of cache is pretty small...

05-21-2008, 02:15 PM	#51
maximiza Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens Village, NYC	Gigamazing!!!!!!

05-21-2008, 02:23 PM	#52
ascian Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Arkansas Blu-ray collection:1	For those worried a bout 7200 vs 5400, the difference is rather insignificant. I wouldn't worry about it either way. http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/10/02/...s-performance/ That should get you started, but you can always google for more.

05-21-2008, 02:31 PM	#53
n90guy Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Charlottesville Blu-ray collection:93	SO is there a thread here that compares available HDDs? I am considering upgrading and want nothing but the best.

05-21-2008, 04:15 PM	#58
Toptube Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:52	In the same exact conditions, at the most, 7200rpm drives can get about 5 degrees warmer. But that is almost nothing. typically they are only 2 or 3 degrees warmer. Also conisder that ambient temperature and environment have way more affect. for example, a 5400rpm in the warmth of the afternoon can be warmer than a 7200rpm in the morning. the only thing to really worry about is possibly a bit more noise/vibration. In this regard, Seagate is usually considered the best (see: no big difference)

05-21-2008, 04:31 PM	#60
BTS11 Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:1	I have a 250GB drive in my PS3 and it only reads it as a 205GB. I understand perfectly well that though its a 250GB there is space used for file system format. But here's the deal. My buddy added a 320GB to his PS3 and it still only shows 205GB as the capacity. I've read posts and faq pages about swapping the hard drive in the PS3 and wheat it seems to be is, as of now it won't use any more than 205GB. that's all the PS3 system it set to read. HOWEVER, it can be fixed with a firmware update. This is also similar to the PSP and Sony cell phones that use the memory stick. Originally the PSP upon launch would only allow a MS up to 2GB. now it allows up to 8GB due to firmware updates. So in conclusion, if you happen to purchase a 500GB drive and add it to your PS3. It may only allow 205GB now, but eventually will read the entire drive with an update and I'm sure with the DVR function coming that update should be soon. The bad news is, if you use that 500GB now and the update comes to increase the read capacity, you would have to re-format the drive in order to use the whole 500GB.

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