Matsushita: Blu-Ray, HD-DVD Will Never Merge - New article

[tron3]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060421/...BHNlYwN5bmNhdA

Things look bleak.

[The Don]

this only would help out HDDVD....bluray will win...

I am fully convinced of this again..

[JTK]

Originally Posted by The Don

this only would help out HDDVD....bluray will win...

I am fully convinced of this again..

I've never been convinced otherwise.

If MS weren't backing HD-DVD right now, it would already have long since been done with.

[zombie]

IMO this also means that there won't be any dual format players for a very long time, unless one format dies quickly. The two sides clearly hate each other. Kind of like the people supporting each format on the various HT forums.

[Sony_Blue-Ray]

Yea tensions are growing between the to consumer camps. And rightfully so if HD-DVD wins out over Blue-Ray I will have a library that is obsolete. So yea I hate the HD-DVD camp and its consumers. If only people looked at the facts before just buying this would be a no contest war. You would see HD-DVD crumble quicker than Enron. And the hatred towards sony from the xbox fanboy's is going to make this an interesting battle. But I am going to do my best to help Blue-Ray by purchasing a movie each week and hopefully helping to sway it Blue-Ray's Direction. You know the two things that irritates me the most? The answers you get from the HD-DVD side why they side with HD-DVD and not Sony. Well Sony is trying to control eveything with all those copyrights and the AACS and HD-DVD doesn't. And they say that we don't need the extra 10GIG! "difference between the low end of both formats"

[JTK]

I just want everyone to take a moment to look back over that last IFA show, where HD-DVD stumbled and bumbled.

By all rights, it would have, and should have been DOA after that show. Remember Toshiba and Sanyo both delaying and kissing off the end of 2005 outright?

Even Sanyo isn't bothering to put out an HD-DVD player now, and as recently as the most recent CES...Toshiba was still having a bug and glitch fest from hell on its players. And if you read around forums...it ain't much better now.

Again: You can thank Microsoft for this nonsense that we're in to now.

What does Microsoft know about Home Theater?

[The Don]

Originally Posted by JTK

What does Microsoft know about Home Theater?

exactly...they are a fish out of water in this dept...

Sony continues to broaden it's horizons and make wise decisions..

they will not let BD share the same fate as Betamax...the only comparison between the 2 are the fact that they had the stronger technology...

[JTK]

Originally Posted by The Don

exactly...they are a fish out of water in this dept...

Sony continues to broaden it's horizons and make wise decisions..

they will not let BD share the same fate as Betamax...the only comparison between the 2 are the fact that they had the stronger technology...

The handful of fools you see on various formums vainly trying to compare ANY of this to Betamax, with sometimes clever names like "Beta-Ray" and so forth simply have no idea what they're talking about.

Sony WISHES it had had the same kind of momentum and support for Betamax back in the day like what Blu-Ray has now. VHS would never made it!

And again: A lot of people keep talking about Sony and singling them out. This isn't just Sony by a longshot!

Just look at the big names, including MANY sworn rivals, all holding hands together on Blu-Ray.

Does anyone REALLY think that all of those big wigs and Sony rivals would really put themselves at such risk and in an "unholy alliance" if they weren't damned sure about what they were doing?

I don't know about you all, but that sure gets my attention and respect.

[SurfingMatt27]

Originally Posted by JTK

I just want everyone to take a moment to look back over that last IFA show, where HD-DVD stumbled and bumbled.

By all rights, it would have, and should have been DOA after that show. Remember Toshiba and Sanyo both delaying and kissing off the end of 2005 outright?

Even Sanyo isn't bothering to put out an HD-DVD player now, and as recently as the most recent CES...Toshiba was still having a bug and glitch fest from hell on its players. And if you read around forums...it ain't much better now.

Again: You can thank Microsoft for this nonsense that we're in to now.

What does Microsoft know about Home Theater?

Nothing,absolutely nothing, IMO HD-DVD should have just throwed in the towel at CES then we would'nt have this format war.And like JTK said you can blame microsoft for that

[thunderhawk]

I couldn't agree more.

If you see at the big brand names, the names that actually produce hardware and compare these, then it's Toshiba vs all other brand names like Panasonic, Sony, JVC,...
Just think about the capital only... If companies decide to sell equipment with loss, then it's impossible for the HD DVD Promotion Group to compete with the finantial strength of the BDA.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

I couldn't agree more.

If you see at the big brand names, the names that actually produce hardware and compare these, then it's Toshiba vs all other brand names like Panasonic, Sony, JVC,...
Just think about the capital only... If companies decide to sell equipment with loss, then it's impossible for the HD DVD Promotion Group to compete with the finantial strength of the BDA.

exactly, and Toshiba isn't even a top DVD player manufacturer...(aside from the elite ones that have sky-rocketed prices)

[SurfingMatt27]

Toshiba's Quality went down the drain when they started outsourcing most of their appliances to ORION co.

They used to be good back then but not anymore in my book!

I now consider them bottom of the barrell.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by SurfingMatt27

Toshiba's Quality went down the drain when they started outsourcing most of their appliances to ORION co.

They used to be good back then but not anymore in my book!

I now consider them bottom of the barrell.

About two months ago, I got into an "argument" about this on a certain forum with someone who was trying to argue on Toshiba's behalf.

Amazingly, the best "counterargument" this person could offer for themselves when I asked point blank: "When was the last time you saw Toshiba make a quality product?"

Even this guy had to go back at least 5-7 years to some first generation DVD player he had once owned.

And yet, even with this admission of his, somehow all of us were supposed to believe that wham! Lightning was going to strike in a bottle again after God knows how many years and a Toshiba player was going to be gold out of the gate?!

Somehow I was supposed to be impresed by that and it was supposed to mean something.

That's yet another one of those all too simple questions that you can ask and, if you're lucky, you'll be conveniently ignored. The question being: Why should I feel confident in ANY Toshiba product in the here and now, given their YEARS of woefully inconsistent quality control?

You won't get a straight answer, if any, from HD-DVD supporters, dealers, shills, and the like. They KNOW the answer and they don't like it.