My Letter to Lionsgate Studio

[Caligula]

Lions gate,

Lions gate Studio has millions of diversified fans and I hope the studio will take its customer’s concern seriously as it was Studio’s. The concern I have as a Deaf movie lover in America, who enjoys and buy your movies on Blu-ray. Unfortunately that my Lions gate High Definition experience is limited by your studio’s lack providing Subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH). The only Lions gate discs’ subtitles were offered, English subtitle with only dialogue and Spanish. Others (Deaf or not) and I felt that we were excluded from our movie experience without SDH accessible.

We really do depend on SDH because we can grasp better at what is going on during the movie, without it. We are lost while not knowing if phone rang or, gun shots, someone shouts or many noises. I’d like to know when John J. Rambo shoot his machine gun and launches his rockets or even shot at during the movie. We are truly lost! It saddens me because I truly enjoy Lions gate movies! I felt that whoever worked on Blu-ray disappointed me when movies I truly want to see and knowing I will not have full Blu-ray experience. I am very pleased with Fox, Warner Bros, Paramount, DreamWorks, Disney, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, New Line Cinema, and Sony with their effort including SDH and other subtitles. That’s where my money is going mostly of the time and there are times I wished I had brought most of Lions gate movies. I do buy and am not satisfied with my money’s worth. Don’t you find this disappointing knowing that you, one of well known and only studio don’t provide that accessibility for people who really need it?

My hearing wife is very disappointed too because she knows how I love watching movies with her and felt I was left out too. Our night watching SAW for the first time was very upsetting because saw is about being scared and suspense, then finds out that it didn’t have no SDH feature and I couldn’t follow with screaming or background noises. It is like watching movies without sound, you would be upset with lack of your High Definition experience and you would buy other studios that provide the beyond high Definition Blu-ray experience.

Like I said, I hope the studio will take its customer concerns seriously because I truly want them to enhance our (yours and mine) high definition experience better. I pasted Subtitle for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com just to back me up.


SDH
"SDH" is an American term the DVD industry introduced. It is an acronym for "Subtitles for the deaf and hard-of-hearing", and refers to regular subtitles in the original language where important non-dialog audio has been added, as well as speaker identification, useful when the viewer cannot otherwise visually tell who is saying what.
High definition disc media (HD DVD, Blu-ray disc) uses SDH subtitles as the sole method because technical specifications do not require HD to support line 21 closed captions. Some Blu-ray discs, however, are said to carry a closed caption stream that only displays through standard definition connections. Many HDTVs allow the end–user to customize the captions, including the ability to remove the black band.
Use by those not deaf or hard-of-hearing
Although same-language subtitles and captions are produced primarily with the deaf and hard-of-hearing in mind, many hearing film and television viewers choose to use them. This is often done, because the presence of closed captioning and subtitles ensures that not one word of dialog will be missed. Films and television shows often have subtitles displayed in the same language, if the speaker has a speech disability and/or an accent. In addition, captions may further reveal information that would be difficult to pick up on otherwise. Some examples of this would be the song lyrics; dialog spoken quietly or by those with unfamiliar accents; or supportive, minor dialog from background characters. It is argued that such additional information and detail will enhance the overall experience and allow the viewer a better grasp on the material. Furthermore, people learning a foreign language may sometimes use same-language subtitles to better understand the dialog while not having to resort to a translation.


Thank you for your time and hope to hear a response from you.
Jeffrey



MODS DO NOT CHANGE OR MERGE THIS THREAD!

Guys feel free to discuss and help other blu ray fellow out

[SS316SRV]

Proof read...

[The Lion King]

Nice letter! That's kinda unacceptable about the SDH; in addition to needing to release more BDs, they really need to do something about that.

[supersix4]

should add a part about the tons of adhesive they use keep their movies "safe"

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by supersix4

should add a part about the tons of adhesive they use keep their movies "safe"

irrevelant to the topic. I can deal with that three stickers, not having SDH is B.S.

[savage1984]

Lions gate,

Lions gate Studio has millions of diversified fans, and I hope the studio will take its customer’s concern seriously, as it would a Studio’s. The concern I have as a Deaf movie lover in America who buys your movies on Blu-ray is that I can't fully enjoy them. Unfortunately, my Lions gate High Definition experience is limited by your studio’s lack of providing Subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH). The only Lions gate discs’ subtitles that are offered are English subtitle with only dialogue and Spanish. Others, deaf or not, and I feel that we were excluded from our movie experience without SDH accessibility.

We really do depend on SDH because with it we can grasp better at what is going on during the movie. Without it we are lost, not knowing if the phone rang, guns were shot, who shouted, or any number of noises. I’d like to know when John J. Rambo shoot his machine gun, launches his rockets, or even gets shot at during the movie. We are truly lost!

It saddens me because I truly enjoy Lions gate movies! I feel that whoever works on Blu-ray disappoints me because when movies I truly want to see come out I know I will not have the full Blu-ray experience. I am very pleased with Fox, Warner Bros, Paramount, DreamWorks, Disney, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, New Line Cinema, and Sony with their effort including SDH and other subtitles. That’s where my money is going mostly of the time, and there are times I wished I had bought most of Lions gate movies. I do buy and am not satisfied with my money’s worth. Don’t you find this disappointing knowing that you, a very well known and respected studio, are the only studio that doesn’t provide that accessibility for people who really need it?

My hearing wife's disappointment stems from knowing that I'm being left out of the experience when our favorite past time is enjoying a movie together. One night watching SAW for the first time was very upsetting because SAW is about being scared and suspense. Without the SDH feature, I couldn’t follow with screaming or background noises. It is like watching movies without sound. Not only would you be upset with your lack of High Definition experience, you would buy from other studios that provide the beyond high Definition Blu-ray experience.

Like I said, I hope the studio will take its customer concerns seriously because I truly want them to enhance our high definition experience (yours and mine). I'v included Subtitle for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com just to back me up.


SDH
"SDH" is an American term the DVD industry introduced. It is an acronym for "Subtitles for the deaf and hard-of-hearing", and refers to regular subtitles in the original language where important non-dialog audio has been added, as well as speaker identification, useful when the viewer cannot otherwise visually tell who is saying what.
High definition disc media (HD DVD, Blu-ray disc) uses SDH subtitles as the sole method because technical specifications do not require HD to support line 21 closed captions. Some Blu-ray discs, however, are said to carry a closed caption stream that only displays through standard definition connections. Many HDTVs allow the end–user to customize the captions, including the ability to remove the black band.
Use by those not deaf or hard-of-hearing
Although same-language subtitles and captions are produced primarily with the deaf and hard-of-hearing in mind, many hearing film and television viewers choose to use them. This is often done, because the presence of closed captioning and subtitles ensures that not one word of dialog will be missed. Films and television shows often have subtitles displayed in the same language, if the speaker has a speech disability and/or an accent. In addition, captions may further reveal information that would be difficult to pick up on otherwise. Some examples of this would be the song lyrics; dialog spoken quietly or by those with unfamiliar accents; or supportive, minor dialog from background characters. It is argued that such additional information and detail will enhance the overall experience and allow the viewer a better grasp on the material. Furthermore, people learning a foreign language may sometimes use same-language subtitles to better understand the dialog while not having to resort to a translation.


Thank you for your time and hope to hear a response from you.
Jeffrey


Jeffrey, I've made some changes. Hopefully it works for you

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by savage1984

Like I said, I hope the studio will take its customer concerns seriously because I truly want them to enhance our high definition experience (yours and mine). I'v included Subtitle for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com just to back me up.

Should be changed to:

Like I said, I hope the studio will take its customer concerns seriously because I truly want them to enhance everybody's high definition experience. I've included Subtitle for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com just to back me up.

If this is meant to be taken seriously by Lionsgate then these are some things that I noticed that could be changed: Parenthesis are for writers who didn't say what they mean in the sentence. And smiles automatically discredit and serious point you are trying to make.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Should be changed to:



If this is meant to be taken seriously by Lionsgate then these are some things that I noticed that could be changed: Parenthesis are for writers who didn't say what they mean in the sentence. And smiles automatically discredit and serious point you are trying to make.

ok, done

revised letter


Lions gate,

Lions gate Studio has millions of diversified fans and I hope the studio will take its customer’s concerns as seriously as if it was the Studio’s. The concern I have as a Deaf movie lover in America, who enjoys and buy your movies on Blu-ray, is that unfortunately my Lions gate High Definition experience is limited by your studio’s lack of providing Subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH). The only subtitles that are offered on Lions gate discs’ are, English subtitle with only dialogue and Spanish. Others (Deaf or not) and I felt that we were excluded from our movie experience without being SDH accessible.

We really do depend on SDH because we can grasp better at what is going on during the movie. Without it, we are lost not knowing if the phone rang or, gun shots, someone shouts or many other noises. I’d like to know when John J. Rambo shoots his machine gun and launches his rockets or even when he is shot at during the movie. We are truly lost! It saddens me because I truly enjoy Lions gate movies! I felt that whoever worked on Blu-ray has disappointed me when I watch movies I truly want to see and know I will not have the full Blu-ray experience. I am very pleased with Fox, Warner Bros, Paramount, DreamWorks, Disney, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, New Line Cinema, and Sony with their effort including SDH and other subtitles. That’s where my money is going most of the time and there are times I wished I had bought most of Lions gate movies. I do buy and am not satisfied with my money’s worth. Don’t you find this disappointing knowing that you are one of the most well known and yet the only studio that doesn’t provide that accessibility for people who really need it?

My hearing wife is very disappointed too because she knows how I love watching movies with her and felt I was left out too. Our night watching SAW for the first time was very upsetting because saw is about being scared and suspenseful, then I found out that it didn’t have SDH feature and I couldn’t follow with screaming or background noises. It is like watching movies without sound, you would be upset with lack sound for your High Definition experience and you would buy other studios that provide the beyond high Definition Blu-ray experience.

Like I said, I hope the studio will take its customer concerns seriously because I truly want them to enhance our high definition experience and make it better. I pasted Subtitle for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com just to back me up.

SDH
"SDH" is an American term the DVD industry introduced. It is an acronym for "Subtitles for the deaf and hard-of-hearing", and refers to regular subtitles in the original language where important non-dialog audio has been added, as well as speaker identification, useful when the viewer cannot otherwise visually tell who is saying what.
High definition disc media (HD DVD, Blu-ray disc) uses SDH subtitles as the sole method because technical specifications do not require HD to support line 21 closed captions. Some Blu-ray discs, however, are said to carry a closed caption stream that only displays through standard definition connections. Many HDTVs allow the end–user to customize the captions, including the ability to remove the black band.
Use by those not deaf or hard-of-hearing
Although same-language subtitles and captions are produced primarily with the deaf and hard-of-hearing in mind, many hearing film and television viewers choose to use them. This is often done, because the presence of closed captioning and subtitles ensures that not one word of dialog will be missed. Films and television shows often have subtitles displayed in the same language, if the speaker has a speech disability and/or an accent. In addition, captions may further reveal information that would be difficult to pick up on otherwise. Some examples of this would be the song lyrics; dialog spoken quietly or by those with unfamiliar accents; or supportive, minor dialog from background characters. It is argued that such additional information and detail will enhance the overall experience and allow the viewer a better grasp on the material. Furthermore, people learning a foreign language may sometimes use same-language subtitles to better understand the dialog while not having to resort to a translation.


Thank you for your time and hope to hear a response from you.
Jeffrey

[savage1984]

I've edited it again a little bit... I just fixed some grammatical and syntax errors. I really hope that this letter finds the studio well and they do something about it. Be sure to send it snail mail.

[SS316SRV]

Caligula - That is a good letter right there. Serious business letters need to be picked over with a fine toothed comb. Don't give them any reason to disregard what you have to say because it is more than a valid point.

real quick

Originally Posted by Caligula

Like I said, I hope the studio will take its customer concerns seriously because I truly want them to enhance our high definition experience and make it better. I pasted Subtitle for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com just to back me up.

Get the "Like I said," out of there because the read knows what you said. Also "I posted Subtitles for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com for further information." Your points are all valid, and you back them up very well, you don't need a wiki site for support.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Should be changed to:



If this is meant to be taken seriously by Lionsgate then these are some things that I noticed that could be changed: Parenthesis are for writers who didn't say what they mean in the sentence. And smiles automatically discredit and serious point you are trying to make.

well, I fixed a lot before that. That last part you did was easy. You just deleted some stuff.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Caligula - That is a good letter right there. Serious business letters need to be picked over with a fine toothed comb. Don't give them any reason to disregard what you have to say because it is more than a valid point.

Thank you!!!

[The Lion King]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Caligula - That is a good letter right there. Serious business letters need to be picked over with a fine toothed comb. Don't give them any reason to disregard what you have to say because it is more than a valid point.

I agree. It's a great letter Caligula. Can't wait to here their response.

[savage1984]

All right Calig! I hope your letter makes a difference

[BStecke]

Gimme a few minutes and I'll go through it and make some changes. Make some use of my journalism degree

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by savage1984

well, I fixed a lot before that. That last part you did was easy. You just deleted some stuff.

Andy Bernard: Addition by subtraction.

Michael Scott: What does that mean?

Andy Bernard: I don't know.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Get the "Like I said," out of there because the read knows what you said. Also "I posted Subtitles for Deaf and Hearing Impaired information from wiki.com for further information." Your points are all valid, and you back them up very well, you don't need a wiki site for support.

should i remove the info from wiki? I provided that in case someone doesnt understand SDH.. I know studio probably know what sdh is but yet not provided and just in case they doesnt know difference between English sub #1 and #2 ?

[inuyashalover21]

Great letter. Hope everything works out.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by Caligula

should i remove the info from wiki? I provided that in case someone doesnt understand SDH.. I know studio probably know what sdh is but yet not provided and just in case they doesnt know difference between English sub #1 and #2 ?

I would use a different site. Something that is officially recognized by the American Association of the Deaf and Blind. Or the MPAA. Something that is recognizable.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Andy Bernard: Addition by subtraction.

Michael Scott: What does that even mean?

Andy Bernard: I don't know.

I'm just sayin' what you did was very helpful, but if that was all.... you would have a lot of incomplete sentences.

It was a team effort.