Tree sitters. crazyiest stuff I have ever seen.

[ThePhantomOak]

This shit is funny as hell.

The background is Cal wants to upgrade the football stadium. A bunch of idiots got in their heads that they would climb into a group of oak trees and cause trouble for everyone.

Today a judge ruled that the trees could be cut down, so they are having a shitfit.

(not safe for work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FZwUcoejWI

So, right now, there is an old crazy lady who is on a ten foot pool in a little box that is attached to and above a redwood tree. No shit, her "name" is Dumpster Muffin" The people who will be removing the protestards have been taunting her by moving in close to have a conversation with her, and she goes into a tantrum each time... She keeps asking for people to change spots with her but noone will.

Then yesterday one of the tree sitters named "Millipede" bit a person removing their tree house/camp. She was dragged down and arrested. Turns out she is just some rich chick who found a cause. She dropped out of college to take part in a hunger strike. It did not work



At the strike (bald head on the left)


Believe it or not, this girl went to a highschool in San Francisco that costs $30,000 a year. Thank god she found something to do outside of WORKING.


For the past two days the tree sitters have been trying to throw their own shit and piss on the tree cutters who are taking down their camp... They saved it up for weeks



The whole event is being run by a guy named "Running Wolf" who has been at the grove all day screaming at the the cops.

Around 4pm, a guy climbed a phone pole and jumped into a tree with a fire extinguisher. Maybe he thinks that is as good as food and water.



They have been in the trees 18 months.




Dumpster Muffin. No shit, google news it

[ThePhantomOak]

Picture of Dumptser Muffin

[flyfree432]

That's some crazy stuff. If they are going to waste their time, where were they when we were going through the war with HD-DVD. They could have climbed the trees around MS's headquarters.

[JJ]

Phantom, the funniest thing about your post is not your post at all, but your signature.



Had me crackin up for a good moment there,

[ThePhantomOak]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Phantom, the funniest thing about your post is not your post at all, but your signature.



Had me crackin up for a good moment there,

Dont hate!

[Marquoz]

Wow, I love those tree hugging hippies. If they are so worried about it, why aren't they out planting 5 more trees for every one that is being cut down. Or they could be building irrigation systems for places that normally don't get water to grow more trees there. Or does that require too much effort?

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by ThePhantomOak

This shit is funny as hell.

The background is Cal wants to upgrade the football stadium. A bunch of idiots got in their heads that they would climb into a group of oak trees and cause trouble for everyone.

So, right now, there is an old crazy lady who is on a ten foot pool in a little box that is attached to and above a redwood tree. No shit, her "name" is Dumpster Muffin" The people who will be removing the protestards have been taunting her by moving in close to have a conversation with her, and she goes into a tantrum each time... She keeps asking for people to change spots with her but noone will.

And who are you to criticize, belittle, and remark offensively on these people? They are standing up for something that they believe in which is a right we have in this country. If people did not constantly use these rights I’m sure they would be pulled out from under us. If you ask me there is not enough active protest and outrage when something is being handled poorly in our country rather it be something local or national. At least they are standing for something; at least they care enough to sacrifice to be heard and make a difference. So again I ask, who are you to say such things like “bunch of idiots”, “crazy lady “, & “protestards” when these people are rising up and practicing the rights that were given to them by this country?

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by Marquoz

Wow, I love those tree hugging hippies. If they are so worried about it, why aren't they out planting 5 more trees for every one that is being cut down. Or they could be building irrigation systems for places that normally don't get water to grow more trees there. Or does that require too much effort?

Seeing how it takes a Redwood 20 years to mature, produce, and sustain the same amount of oxygen and natural habitat; your plan of planting seedlings is not really effective.

[Marquoz]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

Seeing how it takes a Redwood 20 years to mature, produce, and sustain the same amount of oxygen and natural habitat; your plan of planting seedlings is not really effective.

It's still a better plan then fighting a lost cause. Most of the time protestors just end up in jail, and the project goes through. End result, no gain. If they at least spend more time doing other things that involve actual gain, then in 20 years, there would be more trees instead of less. Yes, it's nice and all that they are making a stand, but there are times when you give up the lost cause, and do something active instead of reactive.

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by Marquoz

It's still a better plan then fighting a lost cause. Most of the time protestors just end up in jail, and the project goes through. End result, no gain. If they at least spend more time doing other things that involve actual gain, then in 20 years, there would be more trees instead of less. Yes, it's nice and all that they are making a stand, but there are times when you give up the lost cause, and do something active instead of reactive.

Protest sparked the start of this country on December 16, 1773
Protest started the women's suffrage movement.
Protest gave us the civil rights movement.

I wouldn't be quick to judge a protest as a "lost cause" or as "end result, no gain".

Big things come from small ideas.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

Protest sparked the start of this country on December 16, 1773
Protest started the women's suffrage movement.
Protest gave us the civil rights movement.

I wouldn't be quick to judge a protest as a "lost cause" or as "end result, no gain".

Big things come from small ideas.

Funny, but I don't remember our founding fathers flinging poo at people.

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by Rob71

Funny, but I don't remember our founding fathers flinging poo at people.

No they did something else called Tarring and Feathering.

[ThePhantomOak]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

And who are you to criticize, belittle, and remark offensively on these people? They are standing up for something that they believe in which is a right we have in this country. If people did not constantly use these rights I’m sure they would be pulled out from under us. If you ask me there is not enough active protest and outrage when something is being handled poorly in our country rather it be something local or national. At least they are standing for something; at least they care enough to sacrifice to be heard and make a difference. So again I ask, who are you to say such things like “bunch of idiots”, “crazy lady “, & “protestards” when these people are rising up and practicing the rights that were given to them by this country?

It is 44 Oak trees that were planted in 1923 when the stadium was built. 132 Oak Trees will be planted in their place. 28 Mature and 88 seadlings, with 16 will be transplanted. The situation has changed now, because people living in the trees for 18 months have caused the trees to be transplanted to be in VERY poor health, and will likely not survive. (California Law calls for one seedling for each OAK removed, and no new trees to replace landscaping, so in other words, Cal went out of its way to increase the number of trees after cutting down or moving trees they planted).

There are 87 total Oak Trees in the landscaped grove.

The courts have deemed that the trees cant be cut by The University until all the legalities are sorted out (In other words, they are not protecting the trees, because the trees can not be cut ANYWAY until after a ruling. They have been living in them for 18 months for no reason). The Corts have said that they cant squat on UC property for safety reasons. They do it anyway.

The Guy "Running Wolf" son was arrested in the '90s for breaking the tops off parking meeters and stealing the money. "Running Wolf" claimed that it was the cities fault for having parking meeters


Further, throwing Shit and Piss on people is not protest. Tarring and fethering is a good excuse to use. To draw perallel between real protestors and these idiots is a joke. To have a real protest there needs to be risk. As there is no immediate risk of the trees being cut until today, them living in trees for 18 months just hurt what they claim to protect.




These are not people who stand for something, they are people who stand for protest. If the trees mattered, they would go and protest where loggers are cutting down the last of the Redwoods (something this group has never done), not sitting in a landscape project. If they wanted to protect the trees they would not be goofing around in them starting 18 months before ANY plan to cut them. If the trees mattered they would be on the other end of the campus stopping the cutting of the 20+ oaks that are only being replaced one for one, and are natural, not landscaping. If the trees mattered.



That is why. Thanks for playing.




BTW, My mother laid on tracks so trains could not take drafties to war. My father was protesting when Reagen sent the National Guard to snipe at Protestors in Berkeley riots. My Father was on Sroul Plaza when the National Guard surrounded them, teargassed them and would not let them disperse. They marched AGAINST Status Quo while the athority attacked them, and the courts supported them.

These ****ing idiots are "marching" against no opposition, have been told to stop harming the trees (in the case that the court ruled the other way, they did not want to have to cut down damaged trees). There is no repression. There is no protest unless there is something to protest. They have used every excuse in the book to try and block a VERY good plan enviormentally (We are talking about CAL, not some midwestern U) with a EIR (impact report) that points out that Cal far and away exceeds the already liberal E law in the state.



If you dont get the difference between activism and what these people are doing, that is sad.

[ThePhantomOak]

Flux, if you think they have a good cause, put your money where your mouth is.

>>>>

"UC has stepped up their attacks on the Oaks Treesitters and their allies.
At least 3 people have been arrested already, and UCPD has threatened all those outside with arrest for aiding and abetting.

As more sitters and supporters are arrested, we will need money to pay for bails, fines, and other court costs. Please, visit:

http://www.oaksarrestees.org

and click on the "Donate" button to make a contribution through PayPal.

We need your help now! Please donate whatever you can - bail bonds and legal expenses are very pricey.

http://www.oaksarrestees.org


Thank you,
Tristan Bunner
Oaks Arrestees Defense Committee"<<<<<<<

[camper]

My brother had a racoon break into his roof and camp out in the eve for 18 months before he realized it. A .22 took care of that problem.

Just saying.

~Camper

[Flux88MPH]

Phantom-

They are doing this in a public forum rather than out in the woods because of the publicity. It would not be covered like this if it was out at a logging field. The school is public but a company’s land is private so there lies the difference in why they would choose this location to protest.

I think it’s great what your parents did and think more people should follow their lead and participate in similar causes whenever they arise.

I am highly educated in activism and even though I find a lot of their cause and their tactics counterproductive, I still don’t think one should try to belittle or discredit their attempt in protesting as they do truly believe in what they are doing.

It’s possible that there is more to the story that we don’t know and I am rather enjoying reading about all of it.

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by ThePhantomOak

Flux, if you think they have a good cause, put your money where your mouth is.

>>>>

"UC has stepped up their attacks on the Oaks Treesitters and their allies.
At least 3 people have been arrested already, and UCPD has threatened all those outside with arrest for aiding and abetting.

As more sitters and supporters are arrested, we will need money to pay for bails, fines, and other court costs. Please, visit:

http://www.oaksarrestees.org

and click on the "Donate" button to make a contribution through PayPal.

We need your help now! Please donate whatever you can - bail bonds and legal expenses are very pricey.

http://www.oaksarrestees.org


Thank you,
Tristan Bunner
Oaks Arrestees Defense Committee"<<<<<<<

I never said that I support their tactics or cause. I just support the right to protest. I also wanted to make the point that things that were once considered radical at one time no longer are.

[camper]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

I never said that I support their tactics or cause. I just support the right to protest. I also wanted to make the point that things that were once considered radical at one time no longer are.

On a serious note, I think that's a valid point to make. However the three items you listed (independance, suffrage, civil rights) were about people being treated as property or objects and denied very basic liberties that every person should be allowed. A worthy cause for any person to stand up for and protest change.

These people are demanding that trees be spared, and not cut down because they really, really liked a Joyce Kilmer poem. This is not about 'free speach' as they're trying to claim, nor is it about standing up for a cause--it's about someone doing something that they don't like, and them doing whatever it takes to stop them from doing it.

Hardly comparable in ANY way to the fight for independance, womans suffrage, or the civil rights. If these people were out there demanding something be done in Darfur, I would be on their side. If they cared ANYTHING about civil rights, they would direct their time, energy, and money to Darfur, human trafficking, or the many problems in the world where REAL civil rights violations are taking place, and the exercision of free speach risks meeting with torture or death.

What are they doing? Protesting trees being cut down and crying about how their civil rights are violated. THe constitution protects the right to assemble, it doesn't protect shouting obscenities and throwing fecal matter at anyone.

~Camper

[ThePhantomOak]

The other grove of Oaks I am talking about is about 1500 yards away, and on Campus. It is closer to downtown also. So, that argument does not work.

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

Phantom-

They are doing this in a public forum rather than out in the woods because of the publicity. It would not be covered like this if it was out at a logging field. The school is public but a company’s land is private so there lies the difference in why they would choose this location to protest.

I think it’s great what your parents did and think more people should follow their lead and participate in similar causes whenever they arise.

I am highly educated in activism and even though I find a lot of their cause and their tactics counterproductive, I still don’t think one should try to belittle or discredit their attempt in protesting as they do truly believe in what they are doing.

It’s possible that there is more to the story that we don’t know and I am rather enjoying reading about all of it.

[ThePhantomOak]

Originally Posted by camper

On a serious note, I think that's a valid point to make. However the three items you listed (independance, suffrage, civil rights) were about people being treated as property or objects and denied very basic liberties that every person should be allowed. A worthy cause for any person to stand up for and protest change.

These people are demanding that trees be spared, and not cut down because they really, really liked a Joyce Kilmer poem. This is not about 'free speach' as they're trying to claim, nor is it about standing up for a cause--it's about someone doing something that they don't like, and them doing whatever it takes to stop them from doing it.

Hardly comparable in ANY way to the fight for independance, womans suffrage, or the civil rights. If these people were out there demanding something be done in Darfur, I would be on their side. If they cared ANYTHING about civil rights, they would direct their time, energy, and money to Darfur, human trafficking, or the many problems in the world where REAL civil rights violations are taking place, and the exercision of free speach risks meeting with torture or death.

What are they doing? Protesting trees being cut down and crying about how their civil rights are violated. THe constitution protects the right to assemble, it doesn't protect shouting obscenities and throwing fecal matter at anyone.

~Camper

It also does not protect them from squatting on UC land, and it does not protect them from living in trees over a public use area (ie safety of public over their right to live in trees and use stoves [fire] to cook).

It is crazyness.