Blu-ray Movie Bitrates Here

[Cadilicsp]

Originally Posted by benes

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Title					Codec	Length	Movie Size	Disc Size	Total Bitrate	Video Bitrate	Video Bitrate	Video Bitrate	Main Audio Track
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Mission: Impossible Ultimate Missions Collection
	Mission: Impossible		MPEG-2	1:50:12	19,732,291,584	23,174,170,188	23.8745209727	    20.63			21.8265209727	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
	Mission: Impossible II		MPEG-2	2:03:35	19,211,538,432	23,459,204,026	20.7272161100	    17.39			18.4872161100	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
	Mission: Impossible III		MPEG-2	2:05:24	23,152,963,584	23,968,278,600	24.6177177926	    21.09			22.3777177926	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
Monster House				MPEG-2	1:30:38	20,194,351,104	23,789,809,848	29.7084973946	    21.67			23.2764973946	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
The Omen (2006)				MPEG-2	1:49:49	20,324,032,512	23,594,464,244	24.6763181205	    17.91	     18		19.3643181205	DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Open Season (2006)			AVC	1:26:15	18,219,171,840	24,923,677,482	28.1649033275	    20.42			21.8929033275	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Pearl Harbor				MPEG-2	3:03:09	42,218,323,968	47,568,993,406	30.7349705836	    20.83			22.4149705836	LPCM   5.1 6912Kbps 24-bit
The Phantom of the Opera (2004)		VC1	2:21:05	18,751,180,800	24,702,742,806	17.7211395629					16.3131395629	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
The Prestige				AVC	2:10:26													LPCM   5.1 6912Kbps 24-bit
The Punisher (2004)			MPEG-2	2:03:26	20,608,425,984	21,372,515,926	22.2613297153	    18.87			20.0483297153	DTS-ES 6.1 1509Kbps / DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
Reds					MPEG-2	3:15:16	44,242,034,688	49,343,703,600	30.2096515452	    27.28			28.8656515452	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
	Disc 1				MPEG-2	1:43:58	23,713,167,360	24,581,504,304	30.4112438089	    27.46			29.0672438089	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
	Disc 2				MPEG-2	1:31:18	20,528,867,328	24,762,199,296	29.9800910230	    27.08			28.6360910230	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
Reign of Fire				AVC	1:41:57~20,312,236,032 ~24,486,412,288 ~26.5649645669				       ~19.9409645669	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Resident Evil: Apocalypse		MPEG-2	1:33:48													LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Rising Sun				AVC	2:09:25	23,057,713,152	24,650,836,742	23.7555319016	    18.23	     18		19.1475319016	DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Rocky					MPEG-2	1:59:35	21,625,233,408	23,144,062,834	24.1117585036	    18.32	     18		19.0557585036	DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Sahara (2005)				MPEG-2	2:04:03	21,029,259,264	24,790,387,768	22.6029926255	    17.27			18.6619926255	DTS    5.1 1509Kbps / DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Saw					MPEG-2	1:42:46	21,226,168,320	21,985,405,766	27.5396280506	    23.92			25.3266280506	DTS-ES 6.1 1509Kbps / DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
Saw II					MPEG-2	1:34:32													?DTS-HD 6.1 3039Kbps?
The Searchers				VC1	1:58:47	22,701,508,608	27,221,416,902	25.4822602587					24.5862602587	DD AC3 1.0  192Kbps
Silent Hill				MPEG-2	2:05:30	21,397,248,000	22,826,451,182	22.7328000000	    16.24			17.4208000000	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow	MPEG-2	1:46:36	18,967,953,408	24,254,994,344	23.7247697410	    18.37			19.7837697410	DTS    5.1 1509Kbps / DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Sleepy Hollow				MPEG-2	1:45:30	21,099,294,720	24,079,571,080	26.6657753175	    21.43			22.9167753175	DTS    5.1 1509Kbps / DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Space Cowboys				MPEG-2	2:10:26													DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
Species					MPEG-2	1:48:26	20,425,402,368	23,447,894,698	25.1157729701	    17.18			18.5877729701	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Speed					AVC	1:55:53	20,970,221,568	23,804,412,914	24.1279695878	    18.14	     14		19.2959695878	DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Stargate: Extended Cut			MPEG-2	2:09:59	23,214,471,168	23,893,410,620	23.8127669372	    18.49			19.8777669372	DTS-HD 6.1 3039Kbps
Stealth					MPEG-2	2:00:43	21,515,261,952	22,649,410,646	23.7639231832	    16.73			18.0039231832	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Stir of Echoes				MPEG-2	1:39:07	21,711,697,920	23,321,682,220	29.2069250647	    23.61			25.2719250647	DTS-HD 6.1 3039Kbps
Superman: Special Edition		VC1	2:31:25	24,979,249,152	29,749,466,608	21.9960366776					19.7560366776	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut	VC1	1:55:52	19,211,200,512	20,718,109,456	22.1072503014					21.4032503014	DD AC3 5.1  384Kbps
Superman Returns			VC1	2:34:19	20,626,040,832	28,898,105,064	17.8213982779					15.7733982779	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
S.W.A.T.				MPEG-2	1:57:16	20,937,848,832	22,736,532,830	23.8065364775	    16.28			17.6625364775	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Swordfish				VC1	1:39:15	17,242,951,680	20,348,598,040	23.1643347506					21.3083347506	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
Syriana					VC1	2:07:44	15,828,695,040	19,739,399,356	16.5226461795					14.8586461795	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
Tears of the Sun			MPEG-2	2:00:55	21,671,239,680	23,712,441,076	23.8966116388	    16.15			17.6246116388	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
The Terminator				MPEG-2	1:47:13	20,905,408,512	24,740,859,358	25.9977099480	    18.54			19.8537099480	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Terminator 2: Judgment Day		MPEG-2	2:16:35	23,357,331,456	24,466,699,874	22.8015438252	    18.92			20.1725438252	DTS-ES 5.1 1509Kbps / DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
Total Recall				MPEG-2	1:53:20	23,919,777,792	24,975,593,362	28.1409150494	    22.82			24.3979150494	DTS-HD 6.1 3039Kbps
Training Day				MPEG-2	2:02:02	15,031,695,360	17,907,066,290	16.4235950396	    13.63			14.6315950396	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
The Transporter				MPEG-2	1:32:09	17,931,257,856	20,914,253,114	25.9450285491	    18.82	     18		20.6970285491	DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Transporter 2				MPEG-2	1:27:38	19,325,011,968	22,803,976,612	29.4028329676	    22.32	     18		24.3468329676	DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Ultraviolet: PG-13 Theatrical Cut	MPEG-2	1:27:28	18,001,569,792	21,291,873,672	27.4414173658	    19.59			21.0414173658	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Under Siege				VC1	1:42:31	18,913,904,640	19,212,775,806	24.5994532791					22.9994532791	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
Underworld: Evolution			MPEG-2	1:46:24	19,102,205,952	24,234,741,878	23.9376014436	    16.42			17.6656014436	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps
Unforgiven				VC1	2:10:40	17,973,098,496	29,480,045,390	18.3398964244					16.9958964244	DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
We Were Soldiers			MPEG-2	2:18:29													DTS-ES 6.1 1509Kbps / DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
The Wicker Man: Unrated (2006)		VC1	1:41:55													DD AC3 5.1  640Kbps
The Wild				AVC	1:21:35	18,227,724,288 ~21,471,311,994	29.7838632156	    19.24			20.7918632156	LPCM   5.1 6912Kbps 24-bit
X-Men: The Last Stand			AVC	1:44:05	21,519,777,792	24,434,402,742	27.5673694693	    19.82	     18		22.0313694693	DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1
xXx					MPEG-2	2:04:08	22,529,488,896	23,955,979,790	24.1992361933	    17.23			18.4392361933	LPCM   5.1 4608Kbps

sizes in bytes
bitrates in megabits per second (Mbps)
All AC3 tracks are 48 kHz/16-bit
All DTS tracks are 48 kHz/24-bit
All LPCM tracks are 48 kHz/16-bit unless otherwise noted

* split into two files
** split into three files

very cool .Great.

[Zinn]

How big is a 7.1 96kHz/24 track (in GB) per hour, PCM vs. DD TrueHD?

And how big is a movie in 2.40:1 aspect in AVC with 30 mbit/s per hour?

[PeterTHX]

Benes:
Just a quick note...since no actual rates for this title are listed.
Space Cowboys main feature is VC-1 with the extras in 480i/p
MPEG2 (another Warner conversion).

[Deciazulado]

Space Cowboys is MPEG-2. I'd say about 20Mb/s for action scenes?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Space Cowboys is MPEG-2. I'd say about 20Mb/s for action scenes?

Holy Crap!
I never bothered to look at the PS3 display for this title (and of course the Samsung doesn't tell you at all).
I'd assumed since it came out after Warner's switchover that they'd simply translated their HD DVD version like the rest.

[Zinn]

Thank you benes!

[Unkn0wn47]

Wow! This definately helps a lot. I just registered. This is great.

[Rob Tomlin]

Nice to see that you are still keeping up with/updating the original post Benes.

[Shadowself]

For those of us with a bit of a techie background this thread is one of the most appreciated threads going.

Thanks again, Benes!

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by benes

Sure. I wasn't implying anything. But the numbers don't seem to match up. Maybe at some point it was going to be a single layer title and thats what he was quoting? Who knows.

Anyway I've added the info for BHD, KOH, and X-Men. The Fox titles have 2 interesting things about them. First they list the video bitrate on the back cover. I've added a new column for it. You can compare this to what I calculated myself. Again my method was simply to subtract the audio bitrates from the total bitrates. Feel free to draw your own conclusions on how accurate these all are now.

The other interesting thing about the Fox titles is that they use DTS-HD MA audio. I haven't been able to find any info on what exact bitrate it uses. According to their website it can be 2046-5760 Kbps for bluray. So I decided to use a number of 4000 Kbps. For all the other audio tracks I've been using what is reported by PowerDVD. Which has been accurate as far as I can tell. (640 or 440 for the main tracks, 192 for the commentaries, 1500 or 3000 for DTS, 4600 for PCM) But for the DTS MA track it reports a different number every time I seek to a different spot in the movie.

Also look for 14 other titles to be added soon...

If I am not mistaken, Dts MA lossless is a VBR(variable bit rate) encoder/decoder scheme. So it makes sense that you get different bit rates at different parts of the movie because the demand for bits is either high or low based on the program material.

[RBFilms]

Bit Rates for CHRONOS

New version has NO issues with PS3 Players.

---------------------------------

VIDEO

65mm Film (IMAX) Transfer

25.5 Average
32.5 Maximum

1920 x 1080P @ 24fps

---------------------------------

AUDIO

6.4 Average
8.2 Maximum

96/24 Soundtrack

---------------------------------

Richard Casey
R&B Films, Ltd.

[Gav_]

Originally Posted by Sosmither

So the higher the bit rate the higher the quality?

Yes, but not comparable between different encoding technologies.

Comparing an MPEG-2 compressed image at X Mbps to the same AVC/H.264 compressed version at the same Mbps will show the newer more advanced "AVC/H.264" to be of much better quality. Simply because the AVC/H.264 encoding uses much better compression algorithms.

To see this easily in the real world, encode a complex video with MPEG-2 at a low 0.5Mbps, encode the same with AVC at 0.5Mbps. The AVC version will be of a far superior quality with less artefacts when played back.

[Rob Tomlin]

Benes, any chance we will get the bitrates for the Pirates movies? These are some of the best Blu-ray discs released thus far, and based on a quick look at my meter on my Pioneer Elite HD1, the bitrates actually don't seem like they are that high on average.

Could be interesting...

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by benes

Pirates coming soon along with some other titles. You are right that they are much lower than was initially reported. DMC is 18.99Mbps.

That's what I thought. I find that very interesting considering it has what is perhaps the best PQ of any Blu-ray title released to date.

[haiku_aubade]

thanks for this post

[eayala]

how useful is this really?
how do you use it?

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

That's what I thought. I find that very interesting considering it has what is perhaps the best PQ of any Blu-ray title released to date.

Note that during day scene with heavy movement is also get upto 45mbits, it varie a lot, from 16mbit to 45... most of the time it from 18 to 25..

[PeterTHX]

For those who are interested:
With more & more Dolby TrueHD soundtracks we can find out the resolution of the soundtracks using the bitrate meter on the PS3.

http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf//tec...0925_Final.pdf

16-bit soundtracks (5.1) will usually average 1.4 Mbps with 3 Mbps peaks (Letters From Iwo Jima).
24-bit soundtracks (5.1) will usually average 3.4 Mbps with 5 Mbps peaks (Legends of Jazz).

Benes, can you update the charts to reflect these titles?

[PeterTHX]

OK, finally (been busy)...

Letters From Iwo Jima: Dolby Digital Japanese 640kbps, Dolby TrueHD 1.4Mbps avg (16-bit). The VC-1 video averages somewhere in the high teens.
Legends of Jazz: Dolby TrueHD 3.4 Mbps avg (24 bit), Dolby Digital 5.1 448kbps, PCM 2.0 stereo 2.3Mbps (24 bit), video bitrate stays above 30Mbps!

[Stundra]

Originally Posted by Gav_

Yes, but not comparable between different encoding technologies.

Comparing an MPEG-2 compressed image at X Mbps to the same AVC/H.264 compressed version at the same Mbps will show the newer more advanced "AVC/H.264" to be of much better quality. Simply because the AVC/H.264 encoding uses much better compression algorithms.

To see this easily in the real world, encode a complex video with MPEG-2 at a low 0.5Mbps, encode the same with AVC at 0.5Mbps. The AVC version will be of a far superior quality with less artefacts when played back.

You are right as far as it comes to medium and high compression settings. MPEG-2 may be old and less advanced but you get a crisper picture at low compression settings.