Pirates beats The Matrix in sales

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by sltmag

On top of everything else, HD-DVD owners had less movies to chose from. If The Matrix was such a big deal for the format, it should have romped since there was nothing else coming out with the exception of Flags. Blu-ray owners had two Pirates movies, Apocalypto, and Flags.. to chose from and still Pirates romped.

Call me when HD-DVD players hit $50. I might pick one up to watch the occasional Universal movie. Nah..probably not.

They also had Letters from Iwo Jima, as did Blu-ray.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Frode

Okay - "threat" from Matrix over. The next big one is going to be Heroes. I think that'll be the true test. It's new and it's definitely hotter than Matrix is these days.

Agreed. It should be bigger than Planet Earth.

Hmmm, that didn't sound too encouraging.

Gary

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by sltmag

I knew there was a reason for the drastic price cuts on HD-DVD hardware this week. The HD-DVD side has to do something to increase disc sales. Not that 47,000 Pirates discs is a lot to judge a format by, it is still significantly more than The Matrix sold on HD-DVD. When the fanboys argue that price was a factor in sales of the box set, we need to mention that Apocalypto and Flags of Our Fathers was also released in the same week. The total number of Blu-ray disc sales this month is going to be significant. In other words. A BEAT DOWN!

And Letters from Iwo Jima, why does everyone keep forgetting that one?

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by sltmag

On top of everything else, HD-DVD owners had less movies to chose from. If The Matrix was such a big deal for the format, it should have romped since there was nothing else coming out with the exception of Flags. Blu-ray owners had two Pirates movies, Apocalypto, and Flags.. to chose from and still Pirates romped.

Call me when HD-DVD players hit $50. I might pick one up to watch the occasional Universal movie. Nah..probably not.

Blu-ray owners had 9 movies to buy that week

[aaronwt]

So how do these Pirates and MAtrix sales relate to the attach rate? There are over 1.5 million BD players and only a few hundred thousand HD DVD players. I think the sales info shows that neither format is going anywhere anytime soon. I purhased both titles since I'm format neutral, but I definitely help raise the BD attach rate since I have 94 BD titles for one PS3 and 191 HD DVD titles between four players.

[The Big Blue]

Good stuff.

Will be hilarious when the Matrix BDs sell more than the HD DVD version.

[Spankey]

I love the way the HD-DVD fanboys are trying to spin this. First the box set is only being counted as one sale. Then it is more expensive. When those arguments fail, they break down the price of the three disc sales and then say..SEE...if each was sold separately they would have mad more. Ugh!

I'm going to laugh if/when/probable, sales of The Matrix on Blu-ray eclipse those of HD-DVD. Idjits!

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by phloyd

Do keep in mind that the retail price of Pirates is roughly 1/3 of the retain price of Matrix and that three titles sell in every box of Matrix.

So the Matrix certainly was a good earner for HD DVD.

Then again, if they were sold separately I bet many would only get the first of the three movies!

Yeah but does that same argument ever get made when talking about console sales? Pick the rules and let's play by them.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by gamer4eva

^^
oh c'mon i mean yeah its a good show but you can't compare it with the matrix its probably gonna be $20 cheaper than matrix but i'll think that any1 (me personally) would spend extra $20 and buy the matrix instead of a TV show if they've got more sales than the matrix(hahahaha) i'll be surprised

Agree, "Heroes" is not going to be a big deal.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by aaronwt

So how do these Pirates and MAtrix sales relate to the attach rate? There are over 1.5 million BD players and only a few hundred thousand HD DVD players. I think the sales info shows that neither format is going anywhere anytime soon. I purhased both titles since I'm format neutral, but I definitely help raise the BD attach rate since I have 94 BD titles for one PS3 and 191 HD DVD titles between four players.

The attach rate argument is a stupid debate between geeks only - no one else cares. And you'd think the geeks would want to debate things more intelligently anyway. A lot of people bought PS3s just for games not movies. A lot of people bought PS3s w/o having an HDTV. You can't really count them in your equation. The attach rates are bound to be different.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by aaronwt

So how do these Pirates and MAtrix sales relate to the attach rate? There are over 1.5 million BD players and only a few hundred thousand HD DVD players. I think the sales info shows that neither format is going anywhere anytime soon. I purhased both titles since I'm format neutral, but I definitely help raise the BD attach rate since I have 94 BD titles for one PS3 and 191 HD DVD titles between four players.

What'd you do?! Buy 'em all?!

Great scott. No wonder you're in favor of digital downloads. You gotta get some space back, son!

I don't see how anyone can look at these sales and, if current trends continue or even go more in BD's favor...see how HD-DVD can really survive long term, "attach rate" MS talking points or not.

When the holidays roll around and another wave of Disney goodness comes through and Fox suddenly decides to show up...what's HD-DVD got to go against the likes of that? This is before we even get into more output from everything under the large "Sony Pictures" umbrella.

Content is king. Exclusive content wins.

[Longshot]

Latest Videoscan numbers are out for week ending 5/27:

BD 69%
HD DVD 31

Boy, The Matrix sure had a huge effect. Just think how much money the HD DVd promo group spent on advertising "The Matrix" and yet they fall further behind in sales. I know JTK has said this a thousand times but the BDA can really end this thing this xmas if they get their act together. The $64,000 question is will they?

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by Longshot

Latest Videoscan numbers are out for week ending 5/27:

BD 69%
HD DVD 31

Boy, The Matrix sure had a huge effect. Just think how much money the HD DVd promo group spent on advertising "The Matrix" and yet they fall further behind in sales. I know JTK has said this a thousand times but the BDA can really end this thing this xmas if they get their act together. The $64,000 question is will they?

Its so clear to me now how dead in the water hd-dvd truly is. Jurassic Park trilogy box set would sell LESS then matrix for sure. Whats left, E.T.? Scarface? Jaws? Yawn city. The people buying into HD discs are pretty young, and have no interest in most of the older uni titles. Heroes? Hasnt everyone already watched it on tv in HD?! Why pay 100 bux to re-watch it. Honestly, i think that this is all the proof i needed to know that blu-ray is going to devastate the market this holiday season so severely.

[Spankey]

Originally Posted by Longshot

Latest Videoscan numbers are out for week ending 5/27:

BD 69%
HD DVD 31

Boy, The Matrix sure had a huge effect. Just think how much money the HD DVd promo group spent on advertising "The Matrix" and yet they fall further behind in sales. I know JTK has said this a thousand times but the BDA can really end this thing this xmas if they get their act together. The $64,000 question is will they?

The predictability of all this is silly. No reason to release the big guns just yet. Keep countering HD-DVD releases with better ones of your own. As long as Warner releases the held back HD-DVD titles, it should be a Blu-ray romp. A few cheap players, and studios and this silly game is over.

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Its so clear to me now how dead in the water hd-dvd truly is. Jurassic Park trilogy box set would sell LESS then matrix for sure. Whats left, E.T.? Scarface? Jaws? Yawn city. The people buying into HD discs are pretty young, and have no interest in most of the older uni titles. Heroes? Hasnt everyone already watched it on tv in HD?! Why pay 100 bux to re-watch it. Honestly, i think that this is all the proof i needed to know that blu-ray is going to devastate the market this holiday season so severely.

You think Steven Speilberg will give the OK to release his films just to save HD-DUD's bacon? Nope

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

You think Steven Speilberg will give the OK to release his films just to save HD-DUD's bacon? Nope

Another fine point, my good man.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Its so clear to me now how dead in the water hd-dvd truly is. Jurassic Park trilogy box set would sell LESS then matrix for sure. Whats left, E.T.? Scarface? Jaws? Yawn city. The people buying into HD discs are pretty young, and have no interest in most of the older uni titles. Heroes? Hasnt everyone already watched it on tv in HD?! Why pay 100 bux to re-watch it. Honestly, i think that this is all the proof i needed to know that blu-ray is going to devastate the market this holiday season so severely.

Not sure about everyone else but I would buy the Jurrasic Park box set. In a heartbeat. What I would give to have a T-Rex roaring in my living room on a 42" Sammy Plasma with 7.1 surround sound and GOBS of BD goodness!

Yes, put me down for 1.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Longshot

Latest Videoscan numbers are out for week ending 5/27:

BD 69%
HD DVD 31

Boy, The Matrix sure had a huge effect. Just think how much money the HD DVd promo group spent on advertising "The Matrix" and yet they fall further behind in sales. I know JTK has said this a thousand times but the BDA can really end this thing this xmas if they get their act together. The $64,000 question is will they?

This is sooo "mint".

Wow!!! I knew BD would win this week, but to think that BD actually gained ground the week the big HD DVD "savior" (the exclusivity of The Matrix) was released is is like icing on the cake. This is too funny.

How many idiots over at AVS are trying to spin this? Is plazman out over there yet? I'm not even going over there until maybe later today.

This is just so great to see the vocal HD DVDers get slapped in the face. If this isn't a huge message to Universal and WB, I don't know what is. Get with the f-in program Hollywood. Get on Blu, let's end this thing, and then CEs, studios, retailers, and customers can all move on from this ridiculous past year...

What's next Toshiba/MS/Universal? $99 players with 20 free movies (and of course Robert Zohn will throw in a free HDMI cable and free double boxing too)? LOL.

[Spankey]

Let me put my swami hat on. The next argument from the HD-DVD fan boys will be..

"Just wait till next months numbers come in after all those cheap Toshiba players were sold!"

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Longshot

Latest Videoscan numbers are out for week ending 5/27:

BD 69%
HD DVD 31

Boy, The Matrix sure had a huge effect.

About -9%.

~70% is one of BD's best weeks ever. That's amazing.

The support Blu-ray buy-a-thon had an effect, but simply not much of one on Amazon?

Originally Posted by Longshot

Just think how much money the HD DVd promo group spent on advertising "The Matrix" and yet they fall further behind in sales. I know JTK has said this a thousand times but the BDA can really end this thing this xmas if they get their act together. The $64,000 question is will they?

I'm told there are six BD players coming out in Q4 and four of them are likely to be inexpensive (a Korean, two Chinese, and Funai from Japan).

We know the SRP of the new Sony is likely a starting point with the intent to ramp down retail over the year as necessary.

BD is winning without slashing the prices. And I suspect as long as that continues the BDA are going to try to not drop prices too quickly.

We already know the flood of exclusive major new releases that will be coming. If POTC 1 + 2 sold 23K a piece in a week for a catalog title, how many will POTC 3 sell?

Gary