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hifiHigh · 03-09-2017, 04:57 PM

Entertaining is the best way to describe the 4th in this series.

I give it 5/5 Stars for that, and 3 for the rest for scenes like the 2 kids starting a Jeep that obviously hasn't been driven in years, and the way out of place kiss during a pterodactyl attack in the main complex.
The trained velociraptors are kind of awesome with expressiveness and communication with humans, while the genetically engineered 'monster' hybrid dino is the main character in the film.
Special EFX are top notch IMO and sound is very tight and realistic on a good surround set-up. Some subtle humor blended with a few gory scenes and dino's chasing all over the island make the 2 hours go by pretty quickly.
All in all a good way to kill (no pun intended) a night at home...

esteban² · 03-09-2017, 05:14 PM

@Riddhi2011,

I have no problem with trained Raptors at all, as I already defended that choice when the first trailer showed up. That element is beside the point, though. It does not change the fact the Raptors' behaviour during that specific scene was looking silly at best, it was also one step too far. And no, the 'trained' argument doesn't change the fact a rescue by Blue felt out of place. It killed the credibility.

[Show spoiler]

And I do agree with your view on the 'kindness' towards other animals, but again, it does not change the fact the way they handled it in this movie, looked ridiculous. Unbelievable. And not in the positive meaning of the word.

[Show spoiler]

^ Don't get me started on this.

Also thanks to the angle (the other dino's being in the frame), this looks so stupid. My friend actually slapped his forehead when this happened. And I understood why ... As said before, to me, they jumped the shark with this.

[Show spoiler]

Hey, I'm fine with you liking it.

As I said before, scrolling through reviews or the actual JW thread, it's clear it's 50/50 on this. Those who think the finale ruined the movie, those who think it saved the movie. I still gave it a positive rating because of everything else, some great scenes in the frist three quarters. I'm also very excited to see what J.A. Bayona will do with the sequel. Thinking of his previous movies (including 'A Monster Calls'), I have good hope for this.

Wildcat2000 · 03-10-2017, 03:32 AM

So basically you're issue with the fight is that you think these dinosaurs would never act this way.

Still have to disagree. The raptors and T-Rex temporarily joining forces to take down the hybrid is not that far fetched. They knew it had to be stopped. It doesn't mean they were friends. They attacked to stop it from killing. They were just both in on the fight.

So what if they gave a "fist bump" to each other? They had just fought off the hybrid. You really expected them to just turn on each other for the sake of it? Animals are not always in Kill-mode. They could have been tired which was perfect reasoning for just walking away.

As for the CGI I thought it was great. Certainly better than some other movies.

esteban² · 03-10-2017, 04:20 AM

Two different issues actually. The first one being how he moves around and uses the back of the T-Rex during that fight, while hitting buildings, exploding lights ... No way. It's constantly pushing the boundaries of the acceptable.

Second being the fact he actually comes to the rescue indeed. Including the hero-shot and matching music, which made me laugh. A step too far. I get where you are going while explaining why it makes sense, keeping my mind open for it, but I just can't agree. For me, it makes no sense at all. Why would a Raptor decide to go save a T-Rex? Or, looking at it from another angle, fight a giant? Why is that important in any way to him? Assuming they have the capacity to actually think it over, since it wasn't because the D-Rex was going to attack him at that very moment or something like that. For the Raptor, this is a giant enemy like any other. Both are. He has no business being in that fight, there's no purpose for him. Revenge? Lol. No, he would leave, regroup and find food elsewhere. The whole logic behind that part just doesn't add up. The situational bromance reason is fine in cartoons, not in this.

Same for the 'well done' moment between them. I get what you're saying, but again I disagree. The raptor would get the hell out af there. Thát's animal behavior. I never said I expected them to attack each other. It's the approving nod between them, that's nothing natural at all. It's cinematic bullcrap, cause they need 'a moment' for the audience. I have no problem with that, when it's acceptable. And above that, he stays for the Disney moment. No matter how many humanized reasons you can think of, they won't change the fact it doesn't make sense. JP, TLW, JPIII, ... None of them pushed the boundaries so heavily and so often. That's what bothers me abou JW. These flaws were unnecessary and could have been avoided.

I'm glad for you, being able to accept those elements. It means you got a lot more fun then I did for the ticket. And I assume you're very pleased it's a sequel worthy of your time again and again. I can only hope the next one will do that for me.

Wildcat2000 · 03-10-2017, 04:43 AM

I think you're reading too much into the "Comradery" of the Trex and Raptor. He only jumped on his back for a moment to jump on the hybrid. The "fist bump" was not all the way you're describing. They just looked at each other. The raptor even steps back thinking the Trex might attack but it walks off.

The only thing I slightly agree on is the Raptor could have just ran away and never return to "help" but he was trained so...Im wiling to give a little suspension of disbelief for that.

RalphoR · 03-10-2017, 04:43 AM

If this T-Rex is the same from the original JP then she would be very wary of raptors. That's why I thought she just did a quick acknowledgement to blue and walked away.

esteban² · 03-10-2017, 04:58 AM

@Wildcat,

And I'm under the impression you are minimalizing it. Cause he certainly did more than just using Rexy as a springboard. And I am exaggerating by calling it a bromance, no doubt. But that's the way that scene felt and clearly was meant to be. Very out of place to me. I guess all we can do is having peace with the fact we don't fully agree, have an approving fist bump and go on.

Riddhi2011 · 03-10-2017, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by esteban²

Why would a Raptor decide to go save a T-Rex? Or, looking at it from another angle, fight a giant? Why is that important in any way to him? Assuming they have the capacity to actually think it over, since it wasn't because the D-Rex was going to attack him at that very moment or something like that. For the Raptor, this is a giant enemy like any other. Both are. He has no business being in that fight, there's no purpose for him. Revenge? Lol. No, he would leave, regroup and find food elsewhere.

Revenge, yes! Raptors are pack animals. They live as a family and are very loyal to each other. Remember the Raptor's suicidal jump on the T-Rex in Jurassic Park? She was trying to avenge the death of her fellow comrade/partner/friend. Blue returns not to save the Rex, but out of loyalty for its slain sisters; to avenge their deaths. It just so happens that there is a T-Rex which helps her situation. There's that recognition of a common enemy, hence a subtle nod of respect at the end, maybe.

Other than that, sometimes people do need a Raptor and Rex team-up moment to cheer for. This is sci-fi fantasy after all. Not everything has to pretend to be scientific, especially when there's virtually no information about these animals, only certain assumptions.

esteban² · 03-10-2017, 01:28 PM

No. That's not normal animal behavior. To actually decide to go back on his own (not even in group) to have his personal revenge is not natural at all. It's a humanized reason we want to accept and justify the act, cause it feels right to us. But it's not making any sense. And even if it would happen, Blue would not get involved in that fight. I'm okay with people wanting to believe that part and liking the alternative view on it, cause they liked those scenes. But don't pull the animal instinct or behavior card. Cause, no way. And you can't refer to other animals when it fits your interpretation and at the same time say it's all assumption cause we don't really know on the other hand.

Also, this fight and the ending of Jurassic Park are two totally different stories. That T-Rex was directly attacking those two raptors right there on the spot. There's a huge gap between trying to save your pack-fella and what happened in JW. That situation is not comparable at all.

And I know. There's good old 'entertainment' argument that finally shows up.

That's my point exactly, the whole time. They chose to take it that far and cross the line of the acceptable to please the audience. They could have done otherwise, respecting the inner logic of that universe. JW didn't. Multiple times. That's a choice I don't support. None of the previous movies, while having minor moments, went that far. It's unnecessary when you have good writers.

I get it, though. When you're willing to accept what happens on screen and your mind doesn't question it while watching, Jurassic World is a great time.

I wish the same happened to me. I'm the one not enjoying that part because of it.

Riddhi2011 · 03-10-2017, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by esteban²

No. That's not normal animal behavior. To actually decide to go back on his own (not even in group) to have his personal revenge is not natural at all. ...But don't pull the animal instinct or behavior card. Cause, no way. And you can't refer to other animals when it fits your interpretation and at the same time say it's all assumption cause we don't really know on the other hand.

Have you seen dogs chasing a car which had just killed a dog of that pack under its wheels? I have! These things happen here, in India. So, Blue coming back to attack the I-Rex is absolutely justified. Whether you like it or not, is another matter.

Everything I said in that bold part makes sense. You are suggesting they are contrary but both of those statements are true. It is true that we can only assume about dinosaurs.It is also true that those assumptions can be drawn from animals in the wild today.

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Originally Posted by esteban²

Also, this fight and the ending of Jurassic Park are two totally different stories. That T-Rex was directly attacking those two raptors right there on the spot. There's a huge gap between trying to save your pack-fella and what happened in JW. That situation is not comparable at all.

It is totally comparable for the reasons I just mentioned above. The rex killed a raptor, the other attacked it in revenge. The Indominus killed two raptors and wounded Blue, so Blue attacks I-Rex as revenge. Simple! As I said, I've seen numerous dogs chase cars which have run over another dog of their pack. So, it is not far fetched.

esteban² · 03-10-2017, 06:14 PM

Nope. I don't agree. For the exact same reasons I mentioned before. There's no point in repeating them anymore, cause I have the feeling that's all we're doing right now. On both sides.

The scenes you compare don't go like you described and are not the same situation at all. Not at all. Also, the dog story is something that happens at the moment right there, right? In that case it's logical they chase the car. But they don't go away, think about it and then decide to go after it and get revenge a bit later ... That's the whole point, right there. Besides, that's only one element in a series of unbelievable events.

Sorry buddy, it's just twisting and turning, the way I see it. It does not make sense. Time to move on for me.

PS: Usually I'm not someone who goes on and on about something like this and I don't get into these discussions too often. But this one is different.

Cause I really, really wanted to love this with whole my heart (and brain).

Riddhi2011 · 03-10-2017, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esteban²

Nope. I don't agree. For the exact same reasons I mentioned before. There's no point in repeating them anymore, cause I have the feeling that's all we're doing right now. On both sides.

The scenes you compare don't go like you described and are not the same situation at all. Not at all. Also, the dog story is something that happens at the moment right there, right?
Sorry buddy, it's just twisting and turning, the way I see it. It does not make sense. Time to move on for me.

Those dogs keep chasing every which car for days and days on end, until their sorrow wears off, not just at that moment.

Anyway, we both agree to disagree. let's end at that.

esteban² · 03-10-2017, 08:15 PM

My dog chases every bike he sees, it drives him crazy. Always did. Yet he never had any experience (bad or good) with a bike.

Agree to disagree indeed.

Visionist · 03-11-2017, 10:33 PM

That's a home, not a museum. The lampshades in the corner and the lack of informational placards on the dinosaur exhibits gives it away.

Riddhi2011 · 03-12-2017, 03:44 AM

It may be Hammond's home, or that of an InGen rival's. James Cromwell or Geraldine Chaplin may be playing that character.

Underworld54 · 03-12-2017, 05:04 AM

Or people are killing dinos just for displaying their bones and that's where the ethical treatment of dinosaurs partly comes into play.

Riddhi2011 · 03-12-2017, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Or people are killing dinos just for displaying their bones and that's where the ethical treatment of dinosaurs partly comes into play.

I have indeed thought of that possibility. It's scary and painful to consider it. But given that it is J.A. Bayona, you may just be right. If that become true, then this Jurassic Park film has the potential to become a classic tale of tragedy and triumph.

TheCoon · 03-12-2017, 08:52 AM

Looks like no sam neill or jeff goldblum in this one either

Gizz · 03-12-2017, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCoon

Looks like no sam neill or jeff goldblum in this one either

Yeah I had hoped that Sam Neill, Jeff Goldblum and Laura Dern might make another appearance in the series but I don't think it will happen now.

Visionist · 03-12-2017, 11:17 AM

I'm guessing the girl is the daughter or niece of whichever big baddie owns this private museum, and he needs her rescued when she gets lost in some Dino Hell.

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03-09-2017, 05:14 PM	#882
esteban² Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Belgium Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	@Riddhi2011, I have no problem with trained Raptors at all, as I already defended that choice when the first trailer showed up. That element is beside the point, though. It does not change the fact the Raptors' behaviour during that specific scene was looking silly at best, it was also one step too far. And no, the 'trained' argument doesn't change the fact a rescue by Blue felt out of place. It killed the credibility. [Show spoiler] And I do agree with your view on the 'kindness' towards other animals, but again, it does not change the fact the way they handled it in this movie, looked ridiculous. Unbelievable. And not in the positive meaning of the word. [Show spoiler] ^ Don't get me started on this. Also thanks to the angle (the other dino's being in the frame), this looks so stupid. My friend actually slapped his forehead when this happened. And I understood why ... As said before, to me, they jumped the shark with this. [Show spoiler] Hey, I'm fine with you liking it. As I said before, scrolling through reviews or the actual JW thread, it's clear it's 50/50 on this. Those who think the finale ruined the movie, those who think it saved the movie. I still gave it a positive rating because of everything else, some great scenes in the frist three quarters. I'm also very excited to see what J.A. Bayona will do with the sequel. Thinking of his previous movies (including 'A Monster Calls'), I have good hope for this. Last edited by esteban²; 03-09-2017 at 05:20 PM.

03-10-2017, 04:20 AM	#884
esteban² Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Belgium Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	Two different issues actually. The first one being how he moves around and uses the back of the T-Rex during that fight, while hitting buildings, exploding lights ... No way. It's constantly pushing the boundaries of the acceptable. Second being the fact he actually comes to the rescue indeed. Including the hero-shot and matching music, which made me laugh. A step too far. I get where you are going while explaining why it makes sense, keeping my mind open for it, but I just can't agree. For me, it makes no sense at all. Why would a Raptor decide to go save a T-Rex? Or, looking at it from another angle, fight a giant? Why is that important in any way to him? Assuming they have the capacity to actually think it over, since it wasn't because the D-Rex was going to attack him at that very moment or something like that. For the Raptor, this is a giant enemy like any other. Both are. He has no business being in that fight, there's no purpose for him. Revenge? Lol. No, he would leave, regroup and find food elsewhere. The whole logic behind that part just doesn't add up. The situational bromance reason is fine in cartoons, not in this. Same for the 'well done' moment between them. I get what you're saying, but again I disagree. The raptor would get the hell out af there. Thát's animal behavior. I never said I expected them to attack each other. It's the approving nod between them, that's nothing natural at all. It's cinematic bullcrap, cause they need 'a moment' for the audience. I have no problem with that, when it's acceptable. And above that, he stays for the Disney moment. No matter how many humanized reasons you can think of, they won't change the fact it doesn't make sense. JP, TLW, JPIII, ... None of them pushed the boundaries so heavily and so often. That's what bothers me abou JW. These flaws were unnecessary and could have been avoided. I'm glad for you, being able to accept those elements. It means you got a lot more fun then I did for the ticket. And I assume you're very pleased it's a sequel worthy of your time again and again. I can only hope the next one will do that for me. Last edited by esteban²; 03-10-2017 at 04:32 AM.

03-10-2017, 01:28 PM	#889
esteban² Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Belgium Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	No. That's not normal animal behavior. To actually decide to go back on his own (not even in group) to have his personal revenge is not natural at all. It's a humanized reason we want to accept and justify the act, cause it feels right to us. But it's not making any sense. And even if it would happen, Blue would not get involved in that fight. I'm okay with people wanting to believe that part and liking the alternative view on it, cause they liked those scenes. But don't pull the animal instinct or behavior card. Cause, no way. And you can't refer to other animals when it fits your interpretation and at the same time say it's all assumption cause we don't really know on the other hand. Also, this fight and the ending of Jurassic Park are two totally different stories. That T-Rex was directly attacking those two raptors right there on the spot. There's a huge gap between trying to save your pack-fella and what happened in JW. That situation is not comparable at all. And I know. There's good old 'entertainment' argument that finally shows up. That's my point exactly, the whole time. They chose to take it that far and cross the line of the acceptable to please the audience. They could have done otherwise, respecting the inner logic of that universe. JW didn't. Multiple times. That's a choice I don't support. None of the previous movies, while having minor moments, went that far. It's unnecessary when you have good writers. I get it, though. When you're willing to accept what happens on screen and your mind doesn't question it while watching, Jurassic World is a great time. I wish the same happened to me. I'm the one not enjoying that part because of it. Last edited by esteban²; 03-10-2017 at 02:02 PM.

03-10-2017, 06:14 PM	#891
esteban² Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Belgium Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	Nope. I don't agree. For the exact same reasons I mentioned before. There's no point in repeating them anymore, cause I have the feeling that's all we're doing right now. On both sides. The scenes you compare don't go like you described and are not the same situation at all. Not at all. Also, the dog story is something that happens at the moment right there, right? In that case it's logical they chase the car. But they don't go away, think about it and then decide to go after it and get revenge a bit later ... That's the whole point, right there. Besides, that's only one element in a series of unbelievable events. Sorry buddy, it's just twisting and turning, the way I see it. It does not make sense. Time to move on for me. PS: Usually I'm not someone who goes on and on about something like this and I don't get into these discussions too often. But this one is different. Cause I really, really wanted to love this with whole my heart (and brain). Last edited by esteban²; 03-10-2017 at 06:29 PM.

03-09-2017, 04:57 PM	#881
hifiHigh Expert Member Member since:May 2013 Location:CenTex Trading Score:91	Entertaining is the best way to describe the 4th in this series. I give it 5/5 Stars for that, and 3 for the rest for scenes like the 2 kids starting a Jeep that obviously hasn't been driven in years, and the way out of place kiss during a pterodactyl attack in the main complex. The trained velociraptors are kind of awesome with expressiveness and communication with humans, while the genetically engineered 'monster' hybrid dino is the main character in the film. Special EFX are top notch IMO and sound is very tight and realistic on a good surround set-up. Some subtle humor blended with a few gory scenes and dino's chasing all over the island make the 2 hours go by pretty quickly. All in all a good way to kill (no pun intended) a night at home...

03-10-2017, 03:32 AM	#883
Wildcat2000 Power Member Member since:Jan 2017 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:9	So basically you're issue with the fight is that you think these dinosaurs would never act this way. Still have to disagree. The raptors and T-Rex temporarily joining forces to take down the hybrid is not that far fetched. They knew it had to be stopped. It doesn't mean they were friends. They attacked to stop it from killing. They were just both in on the fight. So what if they gave a "fist bump" to each other? They had just fought off the hybrid. You really expected them to just turn on each other for the sake of it? Animals are not always in Kill-mode. They could have been tired which was perfect reasoning for just walking away. As for the CGI I thought it was great. Certainly better than some other movies.

03-10-2017, 04:43 AM	#885
Wildcat2000 Power Member Member since:Jan 2017 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:9	I think you're reading too much into the "Comradery" of the Trex and Raptor. He only jumped on his back for a moment to jump on the hybrid. The "fist bump" was not all the way you're describing. They just looked at each other. The raptor even steps back thinking the Trex might attack but it walks off. The only thing I slightly agree on is the Raptor could have just ran away and never return to "help" but he was trained so...Im wiling to give a little suspension of disbelief for that.

03-10-2017, 04:43 AM	#886
RalphoR Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Oct 2013 Location:The Forbidden Valley of NE Ohio Trading Score:13	If this T-Rex is the same from the original JP then she would be very wary of raptors. That's why I thought she just did a quick acknowledgement to blue and walked away.

03-10-2017, 04:58 AM	#887
esteban² Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Belgium Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	@Wildcat, And I'm under the impression you are minimalizing it. Cause he certainly did more than just using Rexy as a springboard. And I am exaggerating by calling it a bromance, no doubt. But that's the way that scene felt and clearly was meant to be. Very out of place to me. I guess all we can do is having peace with the fact we don't fully agree, have an approving fist bump and go on.

03-10-2017, 08:15 PM	#893
esteban² Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Belgium Blu-ray collection:64 Trading Score:3	My dog chases every bike he sees, it drives him crazy. Always did. Yet he never had any experience (bad or good) with a bike. Agree to disagree indeed.

03-11-2017, 10:33 PM	#894
Visionist Power Member Member since:Mar 2012 Location:South Italy Home Theater Gallery:30 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:488	That's a home, not a museum. The lampshades in the corner and the lack of informational placards on the dinosaur exhibits gives it away.

03-12-2017, 03:44 AM	#895
Riddhi2011 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2011 Blu-ray collection:9 DVD collection:36	It may be Hammond's home, or that of an InGen rival's. James Cromwell or Geraldine Chaplin may be playing that character.

03-12-2017, 05:04 AM	#896
Underworld54 Blu-ray Count Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Albany NY Blu-ray collection:163 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:15	Or people are killing dinos just for displaying their bones and that's where the ethical treatment of dinosaurs partly comes into play.

03-12-2017, 08:52 AM	#898
TheCoon Banned Member since:Feb 2017	Looks like no sam neill or jeff goldblum in this one either

03-12-2017, 11:17 AM	#900
Visionist Power Member Member since:Mar 2012 Location:South Italy Home Theater Gallery:30 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:488	I'm guessing the girl is the daughter or niece of whichever big baddie owns this private museum, and he needs her rescued when she gets lost in some Dino Hell.

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