Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[1924]

So do we know for sure these are from new 4K scans? They honestly look like the Blu ray updated to 4k

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by 1924

So do we know for sure these are from new 4K scans? They honestly look like the Blu ray updated to 4k

We know nothing for sure. They could lie to us and we would never know. From what I've seen, the benefits of 4K are minimal and they have the same incorrect colour grading as the 2D Bluray, DVD and Laserdisc. Look at my above post. I've demonstrated it in depth.

[Sabre95]

Got the email from Best Buy saying this was delivered yesterday, I totally forgot about it because I didn't see it in my mailbox or at my front door when I got home... Anyone know Best Buy's policy on items that never got delivered or got stolen?

[Riddhi2011]

This is a sand beige JP Jeep with the accurate colours -

1993 Jeep Wrangler YJ - JURASSIC JEEPS - YouTube

A very inspirational video too!

The 3D version recreates the original colours accurately. This is how the 4K UHD colours should have looked! Very disappointing!

How to paint a JP Jeep gives an in-depth look at recreating the colours -

How to make a JURASSIC PARK JEEP - YouTube

[jerclay]

But as far as criticism goes, JP looks not as bad as T2. Or does it..?

[Alfred E. Neumann]

I agree, the pale colors and the purple Jeep of the UHD and the old 2D BD are just ugly.
Terrible color timing.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by Alfred E. Neumann

I agree, the pale colors and the purple Jeep of the UHD and the old 2D BD are just ugly.
Terrible color timing.

That's what the UHD lovers don't understand or don't want to. All the colours are wrong on the UHD, just like it was wrong on the previous 2D home videos. Only the 3D got close to the actual colour schemes.
This is what decades of watching an incorrect coloured version does to your head. You refuse to accept that it can be wrong even when presented with proper evidence. But anyway, it's their hard-earned money if they want to waste it and give Universal a pat in the back.
People should demand answers from Universal and send their discs back demanding the original colour timing. But no, looks like most here are too happy with their shiny UHDs and minor upgrade over the 2D BD.

Originally Posted by jerclay

But as far as criticism goes, JP looks not as bad as T2. Or does it..?

You should not accept a half-hearted job from Universal. These people are getting away with our money by giving us a poor 2000-era looking image. They will only be forced to consider when there is an outcry and people stop buying their discs.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

That's what the UHD lovers don't understand or don't want to. All the colours are wrong on the UHD, just like it was wrong on the previous 2D home videos. Only the 3D got close to the actual colour schemes.
This is what decades of watching an incorrect coloured version does to your head. You refuse to accept that it can be wrong even when presented with proper evidence. But anyway, it's their hard-earned money if they want to waste it and give Universal a pat in the back.
People should demand answers from Universal and send their discs back demanding the original colour timing. But no, looks like most here are too happy with their shiny UHDs and minor upgrade over the 2D BD.



You should not accept a half-hearted job from Universal. These people are getting away with our money by giving us a poor 2000-era looking image. They will only be forced to consider when there is an outcry and people stop buying their discs.

Im pretty sure little effort went into this set because it is incomplete and universal knows it. This is like Harry Potter years 1-5 Gift set, just like Warner knew it was incomplete universal knows jurassic world 2&3 are in production.

Hopefully when jurassic world 3 comes out we will get a complete set with more effort put into the first one. In the meantime there is this.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Universal are going to do whatever Universal wants to do. If a multitude of people were to send back discs for every Blu-ray and UHD that alters the original color timing then studios would just stop releasing new editions altogether.

They probably saw the backlash regarding the 3D release and figured that people wanted a more neutral image instead of a more accurate one which unfortunately may be true, not just for Jurassic Park but for a lot of other films too.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

Guys, the original film never looked as cold or pink as the 2D BD/UHD have us believe. Look at these photos of the Jeep below. They were officially SAND BEIGE and red coloured, not pink and orange -

1. Production still -

2. ILM still -

Stills give you an idea of the "real world" color of a production prop or set, but those props and sets are colored specifically to work with the movie cameras and post-production tools in order to achieve an intended look- a look which does not come across in the "real world".

In other words, *PRODUCTION STILLS ARE NOT SUITABLE COLOR REFERENCE FOR THE INTENDED LOOK OF A MOVIE*.

[gambit64]

Originally Posted by Sabre95

Got the email from Best Buy saying this was delivered yesterday, I totally forgot about it because I didn't see it in my mailbox or at my front door when I got home... Anyone know Best Buy's policy on items that never got delivered or got stolen?

Double check first if there are any other members of the household that may have put it somewhere else in the house (I'm a USPS letter carrier, and this has happened many times). Then call the Post Office. They can verify exactly where your package was scanned (your place or somewhere else). If that fails to achieve satisfactory results, I truly don't know what BB policy is.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

That's what the UHD lovers don't understand or don't want to. All the colours are wrong on the UHD, just like it was wrong on the previous 2D home videos. Only the 3D got close to the actual colour schemes.
This is what decades of watching an incorrect coloured version does to your head. You refuse to accept that it can be wrong even when presented with proper evidence. But anyway, it's their hard-earned money if they want to waste it and give Universal a pat in the back.
People should demand answers from Universal and send their discs back demanding the original colour timing. But no, looks like most here are too happy with their shiny UHDs and minor upgrade over the 2D BD.



You should not accept a half-hearted job from Universal. These people are getting away with our money by giving us a poor 2000-era looking image. They will only be forced to consider when there is an outcry and people stop buying their discs.

The only change you’ll see is them moving further away from catalog on home video, then.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by 1924

So do we know for sure these are from new 4K scans? They honestly look like the Blu ray updated to 4k

Screenshots are laughable. They do not likely take the expanded color gamut into account and definitely not HDR. These things all work in concert to produce the image. Why people treat even 4K screenshots at this point as gospel is sort of infuriating, because they’re judging based on blatant misrepresentation.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Universal are going to do whatever Universal wants to do. If a multitude of people were to send back discs for every Blu-ray and UHD that alters the original color timing then studios would just stop releasing new editions altogether.

Yeah I guess in cases like this a more productive approach may be to campaign directly to the director and DP of the movie in order to potentially get them involved in future releases.

Imagine if enough people were to appeal to Mr Spielberg regarding this release
then perhaps there is hope there will be a proper treatment of this movie for its 30th anniversary in 2023? I know its a long shot, but what else is there to do but accept defeat?

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Stills give you an idea of the "real world" color of a production prop or set, but those props and sets are colored specifically to work with the movie cameras and post-production tools in order to achieve an intended look- a look which does not come across in the "real world".

In other words, *PRODUCTION STILLS ARE NOT SUITABLE COLOR REFERENCE FOR THE INTENDED LOOK OF A MOVIE*.

What you are speaking does not make sense. If a Jeep is supposed to look sand beige then it will look sand beige and it does in the 35mm prints! Sand beige does not mean pinkish grey like it does in the 2DBD and the UHD.

It doesn't matter how much you folks keep on defending this p**s poor UHD, the truth is it does not represent the theatrical timing at all!

They guys at StereoD went on record to say that they restored the original colour timing of the prints (which is not available on any other home video version). No one from the 4K remastering team said anything about how the UHD was colour-timed.

This, along with all the SOLID evidence I've provided so far, shows how utterly wrong the UHD looks. But no, you have to defend this product.

You go ahead and stick to the UHD and pay your hard-earned money to Universal. Be happy with a sub-par product just because you assume Universal's home video department is right.

I'll keep pointing out why the UHD is wrong.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

If a Jeep is supposed to look sand beige then it will look sand beige

Production stills don't tell us if it's supposed to look sand beige; they tell us that the props appear sand beige when shot by a still camera with its own settings and film emulsion. This has nothing to do with the intended final look of the movie.

I'm not saying that you're right or wrong in this particular case, just that production stills are not an accurate reference for the look of a given scene in the finished movie.

[KenHurd]

Originally Posted by Shimshuta

Well my set showed up, and one of the hinges on the 4K steelbook is broken, and some of the discs were loose. There is also a giant glue dab on the front of the cardboard box where the paper sleeve was, and the box is crushed slightly. There are no steelbook within 250 miles of me, so I’m going to be watching the stock checker to try and exchange it.

My steelbook also had a dab of glue stuck to the cardboard box. I tried to remove it, and it tore away part of the artwork.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Production stills arent indicative of how a finished film looks but they can be used to compliment more substabtial evidence.

In this case, the colors on the Jeep match ILM stills and more importantly, the original 1993 theatrical prints. Also given that the 3D version also has the same colors in regards to the Jeep and is the only master where there's evidence Spielberg was involved and the only master where effort was put into attempting to recreate the original pallete, there's pretty much no way of arguing that the UHD or any other home video master is correct.

[Riddhi2011]

@Doctorossi, I also provided a freeze frame of a Jeep shot from ILM. That was not a production still. And that freeze-frame from the actual movie also shows the sand-beige tone.

This -

JP_Jeep.jpg

My arguments with the screenshots show a pattern. A pattern that reveals consistency in colours in all except the 2D home video versions. You didn't even look at the 35mm film frames whose link I provided a few posts back. It was warm, earthen and not pale and cold like the 2D BD, UHD.
I don't know why you guys are sticking to the 2D versions as gospel.

Look here - https://imgur.com/a/RtHd0iH

[DJR662]

Watched the first movie yesterday.

I liked what I saw overall though I must say I was expecting/hoping for a more grainier picture along with more fine details. I also thought it looked just a little bit washed out during some of the outside daytime scenes but perhaps this is inherent to the source/intended look? Other than that it looked quite good to me, those colors on the jeeps sure "pop" without looking unnatural.

Movie itself is still a blast! I hadn't seen it in a while and it was great watching it again, this is pure Hollywood movie magic to me.

Tonight: The Lost World: Jurassic Park.