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Noremac Mij · 11-14-2018, 06:26 PM

There are definitely visual differences between all UHD players. But the X800 is a poor player, although I’m not surprised it still looked better than the LG. I know I can’t convince you to try the Xbox One X, but you should then try the Panny 820. Either will be an eye opening experience.

jh901 · 11-14-2018, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

There are definitely visual differences between all UHD players. But the X800 is a poor player, although I’m not surprised it still looked better than the LG. I know I can’t convince you to try the Xbox One X, but you should then try the Panny 820. Either will be an eye opening experience.

I don't know if people are just trying to be different or what, but I can't fathom why Panny isn't the universal 4K player of this forum. And you're right, we've reached a point where it is impossible to win over hearts and minds. I suppose this will change someday.

In any event, I asked about the 820 compared to my 900 for use with my JVC projector. The answer I wanted was that my 900 was equivalent. The actual answer is that the 820 has tone mapping which might improve upon the custom tone mapping that my calibration tech used. I'll simply live in denial. Forever!

ROSS.T.G. · 11-14-2018, 06:35 PM

Just got the notification that I should have delivery by the 27th. I really hope I get them before next weekend. It's killing me to have to wait.

jh901 · 11-14-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

These are going to be $7.99 each at Best Buy on Black Friday.

My Target pre-order arrives today (I think). Will I be able to PM next week?

jh901 · 11-14-2018, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Just got the notification that I should have delivery by the 27th. I really hope I get them before next weekend. It's killing me to have to wait.

Please update your theater photo if you end up changing the speaker positioning.

gregmasciola · 11-14-2018, 06:41 PM

Just watched the included Blu-Ray if First Blood last night (I don’t own a 4K TV or player yet). I’ve got mixed feelings about this transfer. Clarity is definitely better than the original release. That one suffered from frozen grain and some shots looked smeared a bit. I’m a bit disappointed with the blacks and color timing on the new release though. Blacks are mostly a medium to dark gray on this one. Lowering my TV’s brightness setting helped a bit. I know this was never a very colorful film, but at times it felt like there was no color in the people’s skin. Just compare the scene where the cops are about to shave Rambo and you’ll see what I mean. The scene where John is talking to Trautman over the radio looks weird to me too.
Maybe some of it’s just from them converting the 4K transfer from HDR to SDR. I don’t really know much about that stuff yet, so I’m probably wrong. 😁

HeavyHitter · 11-14-2018, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jh901

My Target pre-order arrives today (I think). Will I be able to PM next week?

I'm not sure how Target is with PMing.

HeavyHitter · 11-14-2018, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jh901

I don't know if people are just trying to be different or what, but I can't fathom why Panny isn't the universal 4K player of this forum. And you're right, we've reached a point where it is impossible to win over hearts and minds. I suppose this will change someday.

In any event, I asked about the 820 compared to my 900 for use with my JVC projector. The answer I wanted was that my 900 was equivalent. The actual answer is that the 820 has tone mapping which might improve upon the custom tone mapping that my calibration tech used. I'll simply live in denial. Forever!

The 820 really took tone mapping up a level for me over the Arve curves (done by Chad).

ROSS.T.G. · 11-14-2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jh901

Please update your theater photo if you end up changing the speaker positioning.

Bi-weekly

MisterXDTV · 11-14-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

There are definitely visual differences between all UHD players. But the X800 is a poor player,

Says who? Never had a problem with mine....

Torgon · 11-14-2018, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jh901

My Target pre-order arrives today (I think). Will I be able to PM next week?

If you are referring to Black Friday; No

StingingVelvet · 11-14-2018, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

There are definitely visual differences between all UHD players. But the X800 is a poor player, although I’m not surprised it still looked better than the LG. I know I can’t convince you to try the Xbox One X, but you should then try the Panny 820. Either will be an eye opening experience.

1) The X800 is not a poor player and when you say things like that it ruins your credibility.

2) All I want is a player that puts out the disc image without messing with it. I don't need the Panny's tone-mapping tools or anything like that. The X800 does this with its "direct mode."

3) The LG is a backup, but in extensive testing it offers no perceivable difference in image quality on its "custom" setting with all tools off or at zero. That is why I made a special note of this unusual issue on this disc, in case others run into it. I plan to test it more tonight, it might have booted weird or something.

4) The Xbox One is widely regarded as a poor UHD player, and I trust those reports more than I trust you. Also it's $500 and I would never use the video game aspect of it.

Latheofheaven · 11-14-2018, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

My copies have shipped.

I do believe it is time for someone's medication...

ROSS.T.G. · 11-14-2018, 07:32 PM

There is next to no differences in PQ from player to player.

Noremac Mij · 11-14-2018, 07:36 PM

There’s no such thing as direct mode and players don’t just pass the info from the disc directly to the TV. This is not how it all works. There’s an enormous amount of processing happening no matter what settings you use. This is a fundamental lack of knowledge on how these things operate.

Noremac Mij · 11-14-2018, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

There is next to no differences in PQ from player to player.

Noremac Mij · 11-14-2018, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

StingingVelvet · 11-14-2018, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

There’s no such thing as direct mode and players don’t just pass the info from the disc directly to the TV. This is not how it all works. There’s an enormous amount of processing happening no matter what settings you use. This is a fundamental lack of knowledge on how these things operate.

Obviously the players have to process the video to output it, you're missing the forest for the trees here. My point is I don't want or need any extra pizazz. The Sony's direct mode outputs the image that's on the disc without tinkering extra with it, which is what I want.

Geoff and Sky Captain use the Sony X800 and I trust their opinions about a billion times more than I trust yours.

Noremac Mij · 11-14-2018, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Obviously the players have to process the video to output it, you're missing the forest for the trees here. My point is I don't want or need any extra pizazz. The Sony's direct mode outputs the image that's on the disc without tinkering extra with it, which is what I want.

Geoff and Sky Captain use the Sony X800 and I trust their opinions about a billion times more than I trust yours.

Lol. There’s no such thing as a mystical direct mode. X800 tinkers as much as any other player, except it has less processing power, so it can’t tinker as well.

Geoff is an Oppo and Panny user, he knows better.

Geoff D · 11-14-2018, 07:56 PM

I have a Panny, a Sony and an OPPO, oh my!

11-14-2018, 06:26 PM	#901
Noremac Mij Banned Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:80 Blu-ray collection:80	There are definitely visual differences between all UHD players. But the X800 is a poor player, although I’m not surprised it still looked better than the LG. I know I can’t convince you to try the Xbox One X, but you should then try the Panny 820. Either will be an eye opening experience.

11-14-2018, 06:35 PM	#903
ROSS.T.G. Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Ontario, Canada 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:1549 Blu-ray reviews:16	Just got the notification that I should have delivery by the 27th. I really hope I get them before next weekend. It's killing me to have to wait.

11-14-2018, 06:41 PM	#906
gregmasciola Special Member Member since:May 2008 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:539 DVD collection:454 Blu-ray reviews: 11	Just watched the included Blu-Ray if First Blood last night (I don’t own a 4K TV or player yet). I’ve got mixed feelings about this transfer. Clarity is definitely better than the original release. That one suffered from frozen grain and some shots looked smeared a bit. I’m a bit disappointed with the blacks and color timing on the new release though. Blacks are mostly a medium to dark gray on this one. Lowering my TV’s brightness setting helped a bit. I know this was never a very colorful film, but at times it felt like there was no color in the people’s skin. Just compare the scene where the cops are about to shave Rambo and you’ll see what I mean. The scene where John is talking to Trautman over the radio looks weird to me too. Maybe some of it’s just from them converting the 4K transfer from HDR to SDR. I don’t really know much about that stuff yet, so I’m probably wrong. 😁

11-14-2018, 07:32 PM	#914
ROSS.T.G. Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Ontario, Canada 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:1549 Blu-ray reviews:16	There is next to no differences in PQ from player to player.

11-14-2018, 07:36 PM	#915
Noremac Mij Banned Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:80 Blu-ray collection:80	There’s no such thing as direct mode and players don’t just pass the info from the disc directly to the TV. This is not how it all works. There’s an enormous amount of processing happening no matter what settings you use. This is a fundamental lack of knowledge on how these things operate.

11-14-2018, 07:56 PM	#920
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I have a Panny, a Sony and an OPPO, oh my!

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