Pioneer 9G Owners Thread - Present & Future

[SumSuperman]

Originally Posted by wozman

Just got my Pioneer Kuro 5020FD yesterday evening, Man the blacks and colours just jump out at you. So glad I went this way instead of the LCD I was looking at. I am coming from a DLP (which showed great colours too) but there is no comparison. I expected better Blu-Ray production on my new set, but even the Rogers HD Cable feed looks better on my Kuro.

QUESTION: Is all this talk bout "break-in" for Plasma's (Pioneers) really that important, I am coming from a DLP and didn't have to worry about any of this before. Last night I played around with some of the controls, and watch the Hockey Game. (looked amazing ) Now should I be doing anything differently 150-200hrs of break-in with still images, DVD or Thumbdrive. Really I dont think I can sit around and wait that long, after spending a good coin on the Awesome Kuro!!! All I was told from the sales rep at the Futureshop box store, was to make sure I am not watching any regular digital stations make sure its all HD and at full-screen, and no PS3 gaming. Is that safe enough, and should I be Ok, with watching some Blu-Rays this weekend.

Any info greatly appreciated.

P.S. Too bad about the "pending" news about there stop in production. Did I buy just in time, or should I be looking elsewhere?

I wouldn't worry too much about IR or burn-in with the Kuro. Just limit 4:3 shows and static images for the first 150-200 hours. The point of breaking in a plasma is to age all phosphors evenly by showing a uniform image for hours at a time.

It's not really necessary, but can be beneficial. Some people follow the procedure so that their picture will look as close as possible to the picture settings recommended by D-Nice over at avsforums (he is a Kuro guru). The Kuro is one of the best plasmas at preventing IR and burn-in, so I wouldn't worry too much about ruining your set by watching blu-rays. If you want to do the break-in procedure, go ahead. If not, just enjoy your set, which has amazing PQ.

[sheedoe]

Originally Posted by saprano

Here you go J, this is all you need http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1034208

Everything you need to know is all in there

That D-nice guy knows his stuff.

+1. Its a long thread, but I agree that everything you want to know about the 9G NE sets are there.

Also, if you want to look at picture's of and from the kuro, you can go here (M5ster posted some fabulous pics from his set)

[boosted_kiki]

will pioneer honor their warranty if you purchase the 111fd online? of course it'll be from their list of authorized online sellers. i just wanted to make sure before i make the purchase, i'ver heard different storys.

[Bolaar]

Originally Posted by boosted_kiki

will pioneer honor their warranty if you purchase the 111fd online? of course it'll be from their list of authorized online sellers. i just wanted to make sure before i make the purchase, i'ver heard different storys.

It is my understanding that they are required too by law, not that they would not if there were an issue.

I thought I had read somewhere that companies have to support their products for 8 - 10 years after production is cancelled.

Of course all bets are off if a company goes belly up.

[vega2K]

Eat your hearts out

Pioneer PRO 151FD - 60" Elite KURO!

[SleeperAgent]

So, I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5020FD. I've looked everywhere, even the Pioneer site, it says "5x the black level for unmatched contrast", but I cannot find the contrast (native or dynamic) ANYWHERE!

Any help here people?

EDIT: I'd also like to add, I mainly use my tv for gaming and blurays. Would this be an adequate option or are there problems/hitches/anything that I should be more aware of?

(I do intend to do over 100 hour break-in period.)

[JJ]

Originally Posted by TheSoviet

So, I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5020FD. I've looked everywhere, even the Pioneer site, it says "5x the black level for unmatched contrast", but I cannot find the contrast (native or dynamic) ANYWHERE!

Any help here people?

EDIT: I'd also like to add, I mainly use my tv for gaming and blurays. Would this be an adequate option or are there problems/hitches/anything that I should be more aware of?

(I do intend to do over 100 hour break-in period.)

Pioneer does not release actual specifications on contrast level. Besides, they're all a bunch of hooey anyway, don't know how anybody measures these damnable levels, actual ANSI contrast levels are more like 750:1 for a good plasma, this whole "1,000,000:1 Dynamic!" claims are nonsense. But, Pioneer plasmas have the best ones, that's all you have to know.

It'll be fine. I barely plan on doing any break-in. Maybe for a Samsung or a Panasonic, but for a Pioneer? Just don't watch movies too brightly, and it's not like I play games or watch TV anyway. I'll probably watch just a few full-screen ratio movies at first, but only for a few days.

[Bolaar]

Wow the 5020 throws off some heavy heat.

[sheedoe]

Originally Posted by Bolaar

Wow the 5020 throws off some heavy heat.

I find more heat coming from the front of the panel (6020) than the rear vents

[naturephoto1]

Yes, Plasma TVs (at least the Pioneers [my PRO-111FD]) do generate heat. But, you might be able to lower your thermostat in your Home Theater room.

Rich

[JJ]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Yes, Plasma TVs (at least the Pioneers [my PRO-111FD]) do generate heat. But, you might be able to lower your thermostat in your Home Theater room.

Rich

lol, unless you live in Florida - should've gotten this thing back in December!!!

I'm not worried about the heat thing at all.

[naturephoto1]

Originally Posted by malchiang

heat thing is a big worry for me here

I don't think that you will really have to worry too much about the heat. Big power amps can put out more heat than the Plasma TV. Now, if it is in hot weather and you are running several large power amps (I have 3 in service now and will ultimately be using all 5 of mine) along with the Plasma TV, you may just have to run the AC a little more (preferably not on the same circuit ). Some of the big Krell power amps are known to put out so much heat, they have been likened to space heaters.

Rich

[4TA23]

For those who just want settings and no links here you go. D-Nice is very knowledgeable. I get my 5020 in about a week can not wait and I will be using these settings.

The Official Pioneer 9G Kuro Settings/Issues Thread

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****UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD THESE SETTINGS BE USED WITH ANY OTHER SOURCE MATERIAL BEYOND THE BREAK-IN DVD OR THUMBDRIVE FILES****

Recommended 150 Hour Break-In settings for Pioneer 5020FD/6020FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD or Thumbdrive Files!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****

Picture:
AV Selection: Sport
Contrast: 50
Brightness:0
Color: +20
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0


Pure Cinema
Film Mode: Off
Text Optimization: Off


Screen Size: Full
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 1



Recommended 150 Hour Break-In settings for Pioneer 101FD/111FD/141FD/151FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD or Thumbdrive Files!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****

Picture:
AV Selection: Sport
Contrast: 50
Brightness: 0
Color: +20
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema
Film Mode: Off
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligence: Off


Picture Detail:
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 2
Gamma: 2


Color Detail:
Color Temp: High

CTI: Off

Color Management
R 0
Y 0
G 0
C 0
B 0
M 0

Color Space: 2


Noise Reduction:

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Screen Size: Full
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 1

Pioneer 5020FD/6020FD Non-Service Menu Adjusted Reference Settings (Can be used with (after) or without the recommended break-in procedure)

Picture:
AV Selection: Movie
Contrast: 38
Brightness: -1
Color: -4
Tint: R1
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Advance
Text Optimization: Off



Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: Mode 2



Pioneer 5020FD Service Menu Adjusted Reference Settings (ControlCAL is required for these settings. ONLY use these settings after the 150 hour break-in period!!!!!!!!!)

Picture:
AV Selection: Movie
Contrast: 39
Brightness: 0
Color: +1
Tint: R1
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Standard
Text Optimization: Off



Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: Mode 2

Service Menu RGB Offsets
R-High: -13
G-High: 0
B-High: +49
R-Low: 0
G-Low: 0
B-Low: 0




Pioneer 6020FD Service Menu Adjusted Reference Settings (ControlCAL is required for these settings. ONLY use these settings after the 150 hour break-in period!!!!!!!!!)

Picture:
AV Selection: Movie
Contrast: 40
Brightness: 0
Color: +1
Tint: R1
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Standard
Text Optimization: Off



Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: Mode 2

Service Menu RGB Offsets
R-High: +25
G-High: -5
B-High: +51
R-Low: 0
G-Low: 0
B-Low: 0

Here is link as well to the page on AVS, there are links there from D-Nice that are also helpful like the Thumb Drive Break in image and other settings as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1053444

[JJ]

February 14, 2009 11:59:32 AM Miami FL US Arrival Scan

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by TheSoviet

So, I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5020FD. I've looked everywhere, even the Pioneer site, it says "5x the black level for unmatched contrast", but I cannot find the contrast (native or dynamic) ANYWHERE!

The review of the 6020 by D-Nice lists the measured ANSI contrast ratio at 14,600:1. The Pro-111FD came in at 13,833:1, so I would imagine the 5020 would be in the 13-14K:1 range.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

The review of the 6020 by D-Nice lists the measured ANSI contrast ratio at 14,600:1. The Pro-111FD came in at 13,833:1, so I would imagine the 5020 would be in the 13-14K:1 range.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! 13,000 for ANSI? That's something incredible - considering the numbers I've heard for LCDs doing the black/white squares test...I'm excited for Wednesday even more!!!

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! 13,000 for ANSI? That's something incredible - considering the numbers I've heard for LCDs doing the black/white squares test...I'm excited for Wednesday even more!!!

Those numbers are incredible. An LCD can't even bust out a 1,000.1 Your gunna crap your pants JJ !!!! Get the Pampers out!! LMFAO! Enjoy!

[JJ]

Ack, it's no longer the 18th, it's tomorrow morning!!! *(&^@#$*(&% Ahhhh

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Ack, it's no longer the 18th, it's tomorrow morning!!! *(&^@#$*(&% Ahhhh

Sweet!!!!! Prepare to be amazed!!!

[Bolaar]

Okay so what am I missing.

I have 2 Sony TVs and both, when I hit Zoom take the image and zoom in all 4 sides.

All of you have seen the programs on SD stations that are set up for an wide screen TV. When you zoom they fill it...no black bars on either side.

When I zoom on my Pioneer on one of those programs it just stretches the image up and down, does not strech side to side.

I have tried every setting multiple times...none seem to do that.