The Lord of the Rings Trilogy 4K UHD Extended & Theatrical (2001-2003) - Page 375 - Blu-ray Forum

Fjodor2000 · 12-02-2020, 03:37 PM

Regarding the DNR discussion, since the opinions seem to differ a lot, could the reason be that the amount of DNR differs per scene?

If so, do those scenes with more/less DNR have anything in common? E.g. is there more or less DNR for scenes with CGI, or scenes that are bright/dark, ...?

thorthefifth · 12-02-2020, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fjodor2000

Regarding the DNR discussion, since the opinions seem to differ a lot, could the reason be that the amount of DNR differs per scene?

If so, do those scenes with more/less DNR have anything in common? E.g. is there more or less DNR for scenes with CGI, or scenes that are bright/dark, ...?

It definitely differs scene to scene. It appears DNR has been applied to VFX scenes primarily. I think that is the current consensus.

Fjodor2000 · 12-02-2020, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by thorthefifth

It definitely differs scene to scene. It appears DNR has been applied to VFX scenes primarily. I think that is the current consensus.

If that is the case could the reason be that scenes without CGI are native 4K rescanned from 35 mm film, but scenes with CGI are from rescanned 2K filmouts and effectively upscaled to 4K? I.e. the "source material" is worse for scenes with CGI (e.g. less detail and grain)?

thorthefifth · 12-02-2020, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fjodor2000

If that is the case could the reason be that scenes without CGI are native 4K rescanned from 35 mm film, but scenes with CGI are from rescanned 2K filmouts and effectively upscaled to 4K? I.e. the "source material" is worse for scenes with CGI (e.g. less detail and grain)?

Yep, that's exactly it. You should check out the Peter Jackson promo posted here a few pages back.

BluAsa97 · 12-02-2020, 03:55 PM

Seeing that in the main thread a lot of people are reporting Differences between 4K disc and various formats of LOTR, i thought a dedicated thread would make everything more clear. If you have something to report, write down here. To admins, if this isn't ok just delete, it's fine.

Fellowship EE Part 2 iTunes version: (Reported by Piet.)

[Show spoiler]

Vudu HD & ??? (Reported by wjasoncul)

The goof where Aragorn's bow hits the camera when he says "Into the wild" doesn't seem to be pronounced any more. I watched it several times and didn't see the bump. I just looked at my HDX Vudu copy and it's still there.

2K Blu-Ray (reported by James Freeman)

Moria's Dior fixed

[Show spoiler]

Fjodor2000 · 12-02-2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thorthefifth

Yep, that's exactly it. You should check out the Peter Jackson promo posted here a few pages back.

What about scenes with only minor CGI, e.g. only Legolas's blue eyes and no other CGI? Does it look like they've managed to tweak that somehow, so an upscale from the 2K filmouts was not needed (and they could do a native 4K rescan instead)?

puuteknikko · 12-02-2020, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Xorp

Go watch the TTT around 1h 12m, the outdoor scenes have the same overzealous smeary DNR that was the DVDs and the Blu-rays. Clearly a reused 2K upscale.

Quite nasty looking to be honest, especially in motion. I do watch my films from a distance so it probably doesn't make much difference to me, but a bit disappointing anyway. Nevertheless, I'm happy for HDR and Atmos for my three favourite movies so can't complain.

thorthefifth · 12-02-2020, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fjodor2000

What about scenes with only minor CGI, e.g. only Legolas's blue eyes and no other CGI? Does it look like they've managed to tweak that somehow, so an upscale from the 2K filmouts was not needed (and they could do a native 4K rescan instead)?

I honestly couldn't tell while watching. I'm really just regurgitating what others have said and what I've seen from the screenshots posted. I was too engrossed in the spectacle to notice anything that stood out to me.

Jumpman · 12-02-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thorthefifth

It definitely differs scene to scene. It appears DNR has been applied to VFX scenes primarily. I think that is the current consensus.

Bingo.

Ravenclaw · 12-02-2020, 04:36 PM

Did anyone else order the gift set from WBshop? I did and still no movement in shipping.

wjasoncul · 12-02-2020, 04:39 PM

The camera bump has been on every other format to my knowledge. It's a fun tidbit to me like the Stormtrooper hitting his head in SW Ep IV

BDestroyer8418 · 12-02-2020, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

I redeemed my codes at Movies Anywhere and The Hobbit Trilogy appears to have most if not all the extras, whereas The LOTR Trilogy only has 2-3 extras.

Do you have a VUDU account, If so what does it show ?

LiemaxUnenhanced · 12-02-2020, 04:42 PM

An anomaly I noticed while watching Fellowship Extended in 4k was the sound of Gandalf hitting the top of Orthanc after his duel with Saruman was missing. Wondering if anyone else can confirm.

EDIT: I just did a quick cross reference between Itunes and Vudu and the sound effect is missing.

Aragorn the Elfstone · 12-02-2020, 04:42 PM

Mine wasn’t supposed to arrive until tomorrow, but it’s out for delivery! Can’t wait to take a look at these (along with The Hobbit)!

punisher · 12-02-2020, 04:42 PM

Watched disc one of the Two Tower last night on my UST projector....looks great. As much as I love my OLEd tv, this is the way to watch these films. Puts you back into the theaters and with these new transfers it makes for a great viewing experience. Watch them as big as you can, these are no small screen movies.

captveg · 12-02-2020, 04:43 PM

A couple effects shots were tweaked for the theatrical versions.

In TTT TH, the shot of Faramir and company looking down on Osgiliath used to have generic mountains in the background rather than Minas Tirith - MT only appeared in the EE. The TH now has MT.

In ROTK TH, the shot of Aragorn first seeing the spirit of the King of the Dead in the pathway had a less distinct presence of his spirit, but was more distinct in the EE. Now the TH also has the more distinct presence of the King of the Dead, too

thorthefifth · 12-02-2020, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by punisher

Watched disc one of the Two Tower last night on my UST projector....looks great. As much as I love my OLEd tv, this is the way to watch these films. Puts you back into the theaters and with these new transfers it makes for a great viewing experience. Watch them as big as you can, these are no small screen movies.

I so wish I had space in my house for a projector!

Everan · 12-02-2020, 04:48 PM

Could anyone somehow scan the steelbook covers, back and front? Would make awesome phone wallpapers.

Member-425016 · 12-02-2020, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by punisher

Watched disc one of the Two Tower last night on my UST projector....looks great. As much as I love my OLEd tv, this is the way to watch these films. Puts you back into the theaters and with these new transfers it makes for a great viewing experience. Watch them as big as you can, these are no small screen movies.

I find it an increasingly difficult choice. 180" of immersion, and great HD, or 65" of a perfect 4K video image.

Sadly the choice I'm finding more, and more is that my 65" for TV, projector for cinematic features!

Pagey123 · 12-02-2020, 04:56 PM

Wow, just checked the status of my tracking, and since 1:54 AM today it's gone from Seattle, WA to Erlanger, KY!

Nothing like a little Kentucky Jelly on a biscuit!

12-02-2020, 03:55 PM	#7485
BluAsa97 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:May 2017	The Lord of the Rings - Differences between Disc 4K and various formats Seeing that in the main thread a lot of people are reporting Differences between 4K disc and various formats of LOTR, i thought a dedicated thread would make everything more clear. If you have something to report, write down here. To admins, if this isn't ok just delete, it's fine. Fellowship EE Part 2 iTunes version: (Reported by Piet.) [Show spoiler] Vudu HD & ??? (Reported by wjasoncul) The goof where Aragorn's bow hits the camera when he says "Into the wild" doesn't seem to be pronounced any more. I watched it several times and didn't see the bump. I just looked at my HDX Vudu copy and it's still there. 2K Blu-Ray (reported by James Freeman) Moria's Dior fixed [Show spoiler] Last edited by BluAsa97; 12-02-2020 at 05:01 PM.

12-02-2020, 04:42 PM	#7493
LiemaxUnenhanced Active Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2019 4K collection:262 Blu-ray collection:572 MA collection:319 Digital collection:96 iTunes collection:127	An anomaly I noticed while watching Fellowship Extended in 4k was the sound of Gandalf hitting the top of Orthanc after his duel with Saruman was missing. Wondering if anyone else can confirm. EDIT: I just did a quick cross reference between Itunes and Vudu and the sound effect is missing. Last edited by LiemaxUnenhanced; 12-02-2020 at 04:49 PM.

12-02-2020, 03:37 PM	#7481
Fjodor2000 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Apr 2019	Regarding the DNR discussion, since the opinions seem to differ a lot, could the reason be that the amount of DNR differs per scene? If so, do those scenes with more/less DNR have anything in common? E.g. is there more or less DNR for scenes with CGI, or scenes that are bright/dark, ...?

12-02-2020, 04:36 PM	#7490
Ravenclaw Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2016 4K collection:361 Blu-ray collection:1116 DVD collection:120 Digital collection:1	Did anyone else order the gift set from WBshop? I did and still no movement in shipping.

12-02-2020, 04:39 PM	#7491
wjasoncul Blu-ray Count Top contributor Member since:Jun 2010 Location:MS(the state, not the lady), USA 4K collection:1266 Blu-ray collection:6256 DVD collection:126 Digital collection:1892 iTunes collection:29 Trading Score:248	The camera bump has been on every other format to my knowledge. It's a fun tidbit to me like the Stormtrooper hitting his head in SW Ep IV

12-02-2020, 04:42 PM	#7494
Aragorn the Elfstone Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:The Secondary World 4K collection:245 Blu-ray collection:773 DVD collection:152 Digital collection:115	Mine wasn’t supposed to arrive until tomorrow, but it’s out for delivery! Can’t wait to take a look at these (along with The Hobbit)!

12-02-2020, 04:42 PM	#7495
punisher Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2010 Location:MSG CHASE BRIDGE Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:223	Watched disc one of the Two Tower last night on my UST projector....looks great. As much as I love my OLEd tv, this is the way to watch these films. Puts you back into the theaters and with these new transfers it makes for a great viewing experience. Watch them as big as you can, these are no small screen movies.

12-02-2020, 04:43 PM	#7496
captveg Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 4K collection:472 Blu-ray collection:1709 DVD collection:317 Trading Score:1	A couple effects shots were tweaked for the theatrical versions. In TTT TH, the shot of Faramir and company looking down on Osgiliath used to have generic mountains in the background rather than Minas Tirith - MT only appeared in the EE. The TH now has MT. In ROTK TH, the shot of Aragorn first seeing the spirit of the King of the Dead in the pathway had a less distinct presence of his spirit, but was more distinct in the EE. Now the TH also has the more distinct presence of the King of the Dead, too

12-02-2020, 04:48 PM	#7498
Everan Member Member since:Dec 2016	Could anyone somehow scan the steelbook covers, back and front? Would make awesome phone wallpapers.

12-02-2020, 04:56 PM	#7500
Pagey123 Special Member Member since:Apr 2020 Location:Middle, TN USA	Wow, just checked the status of my tracking, and since 1:54 AM today it's gone from Seattle, WA to Erlanger, KY! Nothing like a little Kentucky Jelly on a biscuit!

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