Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Before The Last Jedi, Carrie Fisher said her character was force-sensitive but chose not to pursue the force because of her responsibility to the alliance. She was right. I wouldn't have given her those amazing abilities. Doesn't help that it's explained with a badly rendered CG flashback.

But she was trained, she just didn't carry on with being a jedi. Kinda like someone who was taught kempo karate up to a blackbelt. Just because you stop, doesn't mean you forget what you've learned... and I'd say I would use the force if it meant saving my life.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by jess1581

TLJ had more on its mind than SW fans want to give it credit for. I'm still perplexed at the vitriol that the scene with Leia got. "She flew"... Like how simple and close minded can you be? Other than the fact that we all know which is Leia is strong with the force, been trained, and the idea that she used the force to pull her back to the ship(not fly... stupid), but man... it was a beautiful and touching angelic moment for our fallen legendary actress Carrie Fischer.... and that's Princess Leia dammit, recognize. How can fans trash such a great moment? Why was that one part so difficult to buy for fans out of all the sci-fantasy that SW has possessed throughout the saga?

Folk were screaming "Why hasn't Leia been trained in the force?!!!" after the saw TFA.

TLJ has a story that allows Leia to demonstrate her powers and an equal amount of folk throw the toys out the pram over that.

After the initial contradictory kneejerk about it happening the complaints changed to "the way" it was done. Was she supposed to do the backstroke in space? Moonwalk her way back onto the ship? Hold her hands out, fists clenched, in front of her like Supergirl or something?

People don't have to like it, of course. But the supposed reasons for it being so objectionable an improper are dumb. E.g "Mary Poppins" Who stood upright and held an umbrella as she swooped around the rooftops of London. So nothing like what Leia did, except that a)she's a woman, b) she's floating in space. Bravo. How observant of you, bros.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by jess1581

But she was trained, she just didn't carry on with being a jedi. Kinda like someone who was taught kempo karate up to a blackbelt. Just because you stop, doesn't mean you forget what you've learned... and I'd say I would use the force if it meant saving my life.

Yeah. Imagine if using her force abilities just once meant saving the galaxy. "Sorry. Gave that up. Better not fall off the wagon in case it upsets the projected head canon of anyone who heard me say I don't intend to be a Jedi."

[Gold Ranger]

My biggest issue with that scene was how were we supposed to know that THAT was Admiral Ackbar?
He wasn't named, they all look the same, he didn't speak.
It was a wasted character!

[punisher]

Luke should have turned to the Dark side and then became Emperor with Ben as his apprentice.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by punisher

Luke should have turned to the Dark side and then became Emperor with Ben as his apprentice.

Careful now.

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[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Careful now.

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[Martoto]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

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[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Rey is the worst character ever. Boring. One note. Zero struggles or problems whatsoever.

WRONG.

Rey's emotional journey was about figuring out that the responsibility was HERS.

Her whole journey in TLJ, for example, was trying to get other people to step and and do what was necessary, and she kept failing at it. She thought she could turn Kylo, and she failed, and because she failed, he took over the First Order, wipes out the Resistance, and led directly to Luke's death.

She was too naive and put too much faith in people, and did not want to take responsibility for her own fate.

Zero struggles or problems, huh?

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

WRONG.

Rey's emotional journey was about figuring out that the responsibility was HERS.

Her whole journey in TLJ, for example, was trying to get other people to step and and do what was necessary, and she kept failing at it. She thought she could turn Kylo, and she failed, and because she failed, he took over the First Order, wipes out the Resistance, and led directly to Luke's death.

She was too naive and put too much faith in people, and did not want to take responsibility for her own fate.

Zero struggles or problems, huh?

Hardy, we’ve been over this before and I simply disagree with you. She had no real flaws. Her struggles were reduced to figuring out her lineage which should have stayed as no one special since that would have been more interesting. Her attempts to turn Kylo really wasn’t a flaw of hers though. Struggle? Ehhhh. Maybe, but Kylo was on his own path and none of that started until midway through the second film.

The point is that for a lot of us Rey didn’t take much of a developing heroes journey as they usually do in better written characters. Heck, even Finn was setup to be a hero with an arc but they nuked him. And this is not even bringing up Reys lack of training, sacrifice when compared to say like Luke. It’s OK, we disagree.

[Hardback247]

As Albus Dumbledore said, it is not our abilities that show what we truly are. It is our choices.

[mikeyfridebuzz]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

nah, plenty of us would have been happy with a completely brand new trilogy. We would have been happy with focusing on only new characters. Rian Johnson could have done all sorts of things to take the brand in a new direction. The problem was he was directing the middle movie in a trilogy and that he should have paid more reverence and attention to detail with decades of preexisting lore.

I've read enough of your posts on here to know that you are hellbent on defending TLJ. Just like all of the other people who are upset that they didn't get the treatment they wanted out of the ST. But any movie goer should have been perfectly happy with an all-new story. Which is what the marketing and promotion told us this series would be from the start.

The showrunners cast a net way too wide that the entire array of characters suffered from it. The bottom line is that the new trilogy is a jumble of separate or even totally opposing ideas, with poor execution, and failed oversight, that could have come much closer to perfection if they were just given another year apiece to cook in the oven. That way the editors could have eliminated many of these inconsistencies and much of the uneven storytelling. It was a rushed project from the beginning.

If the best they had was to turn Luke into Jake because his presence was too overwhelming to the story or whatever such nonsense they claim, then yes, they would have been better served narrative wise focusing on completely new characters and avoiding tarnishing the OT as they did.

[1924]

So are these releases considered duds overall?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by 1924

So are these releases considered duds overall?

In what way? See, there's this word called subjective.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by 1924

So are these releases considered duds overall?

Yes, but if you complain about the new trilogy on this forum you’re criticised for it. You are not allowed an opinion and every body tells you, you are wrong because they’ve backed it up with fact! Even if you are a SW fan but struggled with the story or character development and had issues with the route that the film makers decided to go.

So be careful not to criticise it or you’ll be told in no uncertain terms you are wrong for not liking it!

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Yes, but if you complain about the new trilogy on this forum you’re criticised for it. You are not allowed an opinion and every body tells you, you are wrong because they’ve backed it up with fact! Even if you are a SW fan but struggled with the story or character development and had issues with the route that the film makers decided to go.

So be careful not to criticise it or you’ll be told in no uncertain terms you are wrong for not liking it!

That sounds a lot like many current affairs in the world.

[1924]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Yes, but if you complain about the new trilogy on this forum you’re criticised for it. You are not allowed an opinion and every body tells you, you are wrong because they’ve backed it up with fact! Even if you are a SW fan but struggled with the story or character development and had issues with the route that the film makers decided to go.

So be careful not to criticise it or you’ll be told in no uncertain terms you are wrong for not liking it!

I’m talking about the 4K discs

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

There is one thing I will never understand. I've been reading through these last fifteen pages and I can't get over how many people 1)loved TLJ, 2)were especially happy with Rian Johnson "letting go of the old", and yet most of all 3)were were perfectly happy with getting YET ANOTHER movie about Luke Skywalker.

"Oh Rian Johnson has such a great vision with his deconstruction of Star Wars!"..... that he made this movie 'The Skywalkers, Part 7'. Yeah, what a bold move to go back to the Luke Skywalker well yet again, and totes get over all the nostalgia overload from TFA amirite?

We had all of these new characters, were lacking a little bit of world building and development from the previous installment, and people's complaints are "I didn't like how they treated Luke". It's unbelievable to me.

It’s not unbelievable if you didn’t like TLJ. Certain people who saw the original trilogy at cinemas probably expected Luke, Leia and co to come back because hey they were in the original trilogy that started it all and they didn’t die. Some might have expected to see Luke in full Jedi Master mode. But that didn’t happen because the film makers basically didn’t want to show that. That’s why episode 8 Season 2 of The Mandalorian with Luke Skywalker was so well received and liked. It was good to see.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by 1924

I’m talking about the 4K discs

I thought the picture quality was good. The soundtracks were good also but you have to turn them up to hear them.

Oh no what have I said. I’m gonna be cut down now because I’ve my own opinion!

Edit:-I thought you meant the sequel trilogy, I’m knackered been a long day at work.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

whatever happened to being excited to see what happens in a story and going with where it takes you?

these days everyone seems to insist on plotting out all future events in their head and then going insane when they are delivered anything even the slightest bit different and hating anything, even if good, in every single last regard. Isn't is sort of boring if you already know 100% of everything? and these days reactions so often seem over the top. I mean the cantina scene in SW was beloved in '77, people enjoyed seeing all the cool creatures, but today people can't enjoy seeing the casino in Canto and at least marvel at the look and the creatures and characters inside it. Seems like so much less a sense of wonder these days.

if things are done that totally violate what has gone before in deeply fundamental ways, etc. but that tends to not be the case, just someone imagine something different, doesn't get it and goes nuts and they go NUTS. every single damn forum filled with rage and hate and anyone who dares like a movie, gets trashed and laughed at and they make every damn post regarding so many things a sad chore to slog through, if they hate stuff so much then just hate it and be gone, but instead every single damn post about SW (and many other things) in so many forums on so many official SW posts, just rage and mocking and on and on and on to the point those who like it can barely even enjoy talking it any more, and it also become catching since it, these days sadly, become cool to join the 'hip' crowd and to just mock and trash everything and people just end up miserable en mass/ I mean I can understand if people wanted to see a bit of Luke on real adventures and maybe not being quite so harsh to the point of saber tossing at first, but there is still lots of amazing and wonderful stuff in the film, do you hvae to toss is all out? Not everyone was in love with the Ewoks in '83 but few, very, very, very few of even the larger Ewok detractors hated the film overall and most of them saw it tons of times.

and many seem to want to be this ever so brilliant hipster nerd, so above and regular pablum, so much more brilliant than mainstream pop culture, so smart and ready to examine everything with a 100000x power microscope and tear it to shreds and mock this director and that writer and so on for being such morons or being so mainstream empty, etc. What happened to knowing how to enjoy things??? The same people would've torn 4-6 to bits if they were released today with the new mindset. And the crazy thing is, a LOT of the stuff they mock and laugh at, they are objectively wrong about! I mean how many posts did one see about how TLJ was the dumbest, worst movie ever and should be 100% hated from start to finish just because they had bombs falling in space near the start! First, even if the scene had made sense. It was like 20 seconds! It doesn't mean the entire movie is trash and that you have to become too agitated to enjoy the rest! Second, how many rules of physics did 4-6 violate non-stop? How would it be anything new. But richest of all, the scene didn't even violate physics! If these people actually did know physics and truly were so above and beyond brilliant they'd have understand in a couple seconds how the scene actually was entirely technically accurate!

I was excited to see TLJ and to see where the story went but didn’t get round to seeing it at The Cinema just when it was released on disc. But when it had finished I personally was disappointed. I said a few posts back that I’m happy if they like. I didn’t. I’m entitled to that opinion just as much as people who like it are. I didn’t hate all of it though. I liked the new characters even though they’re not a patch on the old crew. I didn’t mind the story around Luke, I just didn’t like the way Luke was. I’ll be honest I wanted to see him have a few more adventures and be a fully fledged Jedi Knight. But that’s just me. I didn’t get that and others who really like Luke didn’t get that. There’s nothing that can be done about it now but there’s nothing wrong with saying you didn’t like it for whatever reason. Like I said I’m for the fans that did like it. I don’t hate it. I’ve seen it twice but I don’t like it very much. I’m a Star Wars fan and I’ve accepted it before anybody says I haven’t but I just didn’t like it very much. To each their own I guess!