Golden Age 3-D Features

[noirjunkie]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

If vertical alignment issues still exist, I hope the 3DFA can be contracted to correct them. If the previous complaints from the TCM viewer were in error and the master is stereoscopic perfect, that's great---release it as is. I'll buy it regardless. I know we all want the best presentation possible, including ClassicFlix.

This is where I am. I'm thrilled the film is finally getting released, and I just want to see the best possible result on blu-ray.

[Todd3D]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

By appearances, it looks like a prominent film archivist poster at HTF got upset at the idea of the 3DFA needing to edit UCLA's 3D master, and now the 3DFA is not involved anymore. The nonsense drama continues with this movie.

If vertical alignment issues still exist, I hope the 3DFA can be contracted to correct them. If the previous complaints from the TCM viewer were in error and the master is stereoscopic perfect, that's great---release it as is. I'll buy it regardless. I know we all want the best presentation possible, including ClassicFlix.

I'm glad someone said it.

I'll buy it because of course I will. I just hope this doesn't hurt the 3DFA and CF's relationship. The Abbott and Costello restorations have been terrific.

[J.P. Samson]

Originally Posted by revgen

Classicflix edited their announcement at HTF. They will be releasing a 3-D blu-ray, but 3DFA's involvement is no longer mentioned.

Since the 3D Blu-Ray of I, The Jury is still a go, a new thread should be started in this forum for future discussions. Just don't mention 3DFA. I imagine Bob and company are hurt, from a professional perspective, because they've lost a contract for work.

I'm just hoping the alleged stereoscopic alignment issues aren't too severe on the final release. I agree that is is important to preserve the original image for archival/posterity. However, the viewing audience (and that includes me) might appreciate some additional 3D adjustments for our comfort and enjoyment. A Blu-Ray release is merely a representation of a film and so its video and audio presentation can be modified in small ways for the benefit of its target audience. But where that line lies--is a change one change too many--is the big question.

JP

[pixote]

Originally Posted by revgen

Classicflix edited their announcement at HTF. They will be releasing a 3-D blu-ray, but 3DFA's involvement is no longer mentioned.

Someone in that thread saw the digital 3D DCP last week and mentioned it had plenty of depth but only 2 pop outs. I assume that means it’s already restored. On the bright side we won’t have to wait I guess

Deleting the thread is hilarious though. Lol lol lol

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

By appearances, it looks like a prominent film archivist poster at HTF got upset at the idea of the 3DFA needing to edit UCLA's 3D master, and now the 3DFA is not involved anymore. The nonsense drama continues with this movie.

Does that archivist’s last name rhyme with Ferris?

[robtadrian]

The only ghost I need to see in 3D is in the Boo Moon short

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by J.P. Samson

I'm just hoping the alleged stereoscopic alignment issues aren't too severe on the final release. I agree that is is important to preserve the original image for archival/posterity. However, the viewing audience (and that includes me) might appreciate some additional 3D adjustments for our comfort and enjoyment. A Blu-Ray release is merely a representation of a film and so its video and audio presentation can be modified in small ways for the benefit of its target audience. But where that line lies--is a change one change too many--is the big question.

JP

Stereoscopic vertical misalignment is an artifact in the original photography and can and should be corrected in post production, similar to the way we remove scratches and dirt in film. Making the audience have "Quasimodo vision" is never part of the filmmaker's "artistic vision". It's an aberration where the cameras were not lined up perfectly. That was a very poor argument by... someone. Leaving misaligned images alone when you have the opportunity to re-align them is not even a question.

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Stereoscopic vertical misalignment is an artifact in the original photography and can and should be corrected in post production, similar to the way we remove scratches and dirt in film. Making the audience have "Quasimodo vision" is never part of the filmmaker's "artistic vision". It's an aberration where the cameras were not lined up perfectly. That was a very poor argument by... someone. Leaving misaligned images alone when you have the opportunity to re-align them is not even a question.

One can only hope cooler heads than Ferris’s will prevail. How absolutely embarrassing. And pathetic.

[J.P. Samson]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Stereoscopic vertical misalignment is an artifact in the original photography and can and should be corrected in post production, similar to the way we remove scratches and dirt in film.

Absolutely. I agree. My understanding was that 3DFA was contracted before ClassicFlix had seen the results of the UCLA restoration. At the time it was unknown whether further adjustment of the 3D image would be needed. Us outsiders still don't know if technical problems remain other than some reports from the recent theatrical screening. If there are more than a couple of clips with misalignment, it really needs to be addressed for the Blu-Ray 3D release.

We are speculating that this is a clash of personalities and opinions. But could there also be funding issues at play? (All this work costs money.)

JP

[BleedOrange11]

So the archivist suggests that, regarding the misalignment complaints of the TCM screening, what ought to be done is for ClassicFlix to evaluate the 3D master when it is received and contact UCLA about fixing any shortcomings. The issue here is that it may be very beneficial to have the 3DFA's expertise to, firstly, identify all 3D issues. And if you are going to consult the 3DFA about identifying issues, you might as well pay them to fix them as well since they have a lot of experience doing that and charge a fair price. Trying to get UCLA to fix issues they were not able to identify may result in issues that do not get fixed.

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by pixote

Deleting the thread is hilarious though. Lol lol lol

Though I don't know any more than anyone else here, I'm confident that it would have been for a very good reason that's not at all funny, which is why I did it and am not joining in in all the speculation.

[robtadrian]

Ironic. From this article https://www.avclub.com/robert-harris-1798208072


It was horrible. They called it a restoration. They spent half a million dollars. This is one of the things that has come back to haunt us, because once a [restoration] is done, it should be done and you assume that it is done.

[Energy Crisis]

Originally Posted by the13thman

Though I don't know any more than anyone else here, I'm confident that it would have been for a very good reason that's not at all funny, which is why I did it and am not joining in in all the speculation.

I think this is the best approach. To that end, I'm deleting my earlier comments on the subject. It sucks and there isn't much else to say.

[Todd3D]

Originally Posted by robtadrian

No 3DFA No Sale (love Classicflix though!)

Let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces here. As much as I admire the 3DFA, announcing you have no intention of buying something just because they aren't working on it does nobody any favors. Classicflix and the 3DFA already have a relationship due to the Abbott and Costello releases. Hopefully this situation hasn't done any lasting damage to that relationship.

None of us knows what transpired to cause this decision. Perhaps Classicflix got the master and it's okay. Perhaps they were pressured into not letting the 3DFA work on it. Perhaps a lot of things. The bottom line is that we are still getting the movie and just a year ago we weren't. The best we can do now is still buy the disc and hope it looks it's best.

Maybe if the disc does well and the relationship between them isn't irreparably damaged, CF will license further 3D movies and have the 3DFA work on them.

[robtadrian]

From one Philly guy to another... Understood. I was looking forward to purchasing and seeing The Girl Can't Help It as well but it's not going to happen with what's been put out.

[Interdimensional]

3D restoration is specialised work. I was quite taken aback by the poster at HTF who criticized Mike Ballew's comments, and the suggestion that hidden agendas were involved.

Vertical misalignment isn't a matter of opinion. If it's in the UCLA master and left uncorrected, it'll be there in black and white on the disc.

I don't believe I've seen a 3D restoration by UCLA before. They are certainly highly competent at 2d restoration, such as their work on Warner Archive's The Mystery of the Wax Museum. With that in mind, perhaps they could tackle WB 3D titles.

[ClassicFlix]

CORRECTION REGARDING I, THE JURY

Earlier posts regarding the restoration of I, THE JURY have been misconstrued by some. We would like to correct any potential misreading and state that 3-D Film Archive was in no way involved in the current restoration of I, THE JURY.

I, THE JURY has been restored by UCLA Film and Television Archive in collaboration with PKL Pictures and Romulus Films. Laboratory services Roundabout Entertainment, The UCLA Digital Lab, Audio Mechanics and Simon Daniel Sound. Special thanks to Connie Elliot, Nicholas Varley and Jonathan C. Woolf.

We do greatly admire the work of The 3-D Film Archive. We have worked with them in the past and will do so in the future, but as of this writing they will not be taking any part nor take any role in our upcoming release of I, THE JURY. Many have waited for I, THE JURY to be restored and released since the inception of home video, and I can say with assurance that fans will be pleased by our upcoming special edition release.

- David
ClassicFlix Founder, Producer

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlix

CORRECTION REGARDING I, THE JURY

Earlier posts regarding the restoration of I, THE JURY have been misconstrued by some. We would like to correct any potential misreading and state that 3-D Film Archive was in no way involved in the current restoration of I, THE JURY.

I, THE JURY has been restored by UCLA Film and Television Archive in collaboration with PKL Pictures and Romulus Films. Laboratory services Roundabout Entertainment, The UCLA Digital Lab, Audio Mechanics and Simon Daniel Sound. Special thanks to Connie Elliot, Nicholas Varley and Jonathan C. Woolf.

We do greatly admire the work of The 3-D Film Archive. We have worked with them in the past and will do so in the future, but as of this writing they will not be taking any part nor take any role in our upcoming release of I, THE JURY. Fans have waited for I, THE JURY to be restored and released since the inception of home video, and I can say with assurance that fans will be pleased by our upcoming special edition release.

- David
ClassicFlix Founder, Producer

I don’t think anyone here was under that impression at all. We all know the existing restoration was solely by the UCLA Film & Television Archive. The issue, obviously, is something else entirely, and we all know that as well. Let’s not try and pretend otherwise.

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlix

CORRECTION REGARDING I, THE JURY

Earlier posts regarding the restoration of I, THE JURY have been misconstrued by some. We would like to correct any potential misreading and state that 3-D Film Archive was in no way involved in the current restoration of I, THE JURY.

I, THE JURY has been restored by UCLA Film and Television Archive in collaboration with PKL Pictures and Romulus Films. Laboratory services Roundabout Entertainment, The UCLA Digital Lab, Audio Mechanics and Simon Daniel Sound. Special thanks to Connie Elliot, Nicholas Varley and Jonathan C. Woolf.

We do greatly admire the work of The 3-D Film Archive. We have worked with them in the past and will do so in the future, but as of this writing they will not be taking any part nor take any role in our upcoming release of I, THE JURY. Fans have waited for I, THE JURY to be restored and released since the inception of home video, and I can say with assurance that fans will be pleased by our upcoming special edition release.

- David
ClassicFlix Founder, Producer

Much appreciated clarification. The initial plan to bring 3DFA onboard was certainly not a bad idea, and it's unfortunate that it will not go ahead, for various reasons, which may be outside your control. Anyone with an interest in these films has great confidence in their expertise and ability.

This will be a landmark release, and hopefully will not disappoint. I've had good experiences with your previous releases.

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by Interdimensional

With that in mind, perhaps they could tackle WB 3D titles.

How long did it take UCLA to restore I, the Jury? 4 years? And how much did they spend? And did they correct vertical misalignment or re-create stereo sound?

If this is a good indication of how they work, UCLA has major issues with time and budget and efficiency (plus all this drama over a film that doesn't even have 500 votes on IMDB). There are 11 or 12 WB features left (plus shorts). If we extrapolate at this rate, it could take them over 44 years and 2.5 million dollars to finish that task. Regarding WB's Golden Age 3D catalog, we all know someone better for them to contract. But a UCLA photo-chemical restoration of another 3D title would be much better than nothing. I'm sure I, the Jury's PQ will look stunning. I'll take whatever they will sell and keep checking them off my vintage 3D list.