Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[veritas]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

$2 where? Thrift shops, right? Good luck getting it at that price when it's released. Stuff is generally $20+ per title upon release day.

The point is older stuff depreciates rapidly. If you are running a rental store 99.99% of your inventory is going to be free at the library or available for less then your rental price. Ya a new release is going to cost the rental place like 40 bucks new since they need it as quick as possible but within 6 months it will retail under 10. say your rental price is like 2 dollars each then you need to rent the thing 30 times to break even and 30 rentals is probably longer the life span of a rental disc given how they are treated.


The most effective rental system I have seen for movies is for a consumer to buy a film used watch it and then sell it used as they can easily end up with negative prices. running a rental business though with how media is priced sounds nearly impossible for it to succeed.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Has absolutely nothing to do with how streaming protocols work.

Wi-Fi: Problems appear to be directly related to the knowledge of the person setting up and/or using Wi-Fi. People that know what they are doing seem to have no problems using Wi-Fi.

I never had these problems when Cable Systems had both IPTV and Internet. InfoWest checked my WiFi settings, and the Router is high and close to the TV. Fiber has a Solid Constant Connection, while WiFi Signal Strength has dips!

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Five hours of total travel time and six hours of appointments and treatment will make for a very long and tiring day today. I leave in about 25 minutes.

I hope to watch my first movie on my new TV this Saturday. I still haven't decided what to watch, but if I can't make up my addled mind by then I will just default to watching The Hobbit and/or Lord Of The Rings trilogies again.

Up until now I have just sampled a few of those 4K, 8K, 12K, and Special K, scenic youtube videos, most of which seem to deliberately exaggerate the colors. They also seem to all have the same generic elevator music soundtrack.

I am trying to decide if I should change the settings on my Oppo 203 to "source direct" and thereby let the new TV do all of the upscaling and image processing magic. Maybe even set "Dolby Vision Processing" to TV-led? With the TV being far newer than my Oppo 203, I am wondering if it would be best to let the TV do all of these things. I guess I should ask these questions in the Oppo 203 thread, but right now I am here and not there.

If anyone has any movie suggestions or thoughts about settings for my Oppo 203, please let me know.

Let the tv handle the heavy lifting. Good luck with your appointment and the travel required!

[crutzulee]

Good luck Vilya...

Bullet Train is the most Audio/Visually stunning disc I've seem in the last few years...It gets my vote for your first viewing....

Also, I always throw on THE INVISIBLE MAN to test out any changes I've made to my display... besides being a pretty good movie, the first 10 minutes are a bit of a torture test for how well a display handles black levels... it's a completely different movie depending on what you're playing it on.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Best of luck, hoping for the very best of outcomes as always,

As you are always asking via pm, just to let you know my sister is back in hospital with sepsis. This is now ten times, so she is having dialysis while she is in there. It’s a huge concern every time this happens.

I am very sad to hear that your sister is back in the hospital again. I really wish that she could catch a break already.

Her perseverance is of heroic proportions. She has set an inspiring example on how to face sustained and severe adversity. She, and all of your family, are in my thoughts and prayers.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I recommend using the Spears and Muncil Test patterns.

https://spearsandmunsil.com/3rd-edition-articles/

This one is about choosing the color space output from your player.

https://spearsandmunsil.com/portfoli...color-space-3/

For a movie suggestion -

I almost believed this post was really from you...until your doppelganger recommended that I watch a movie without any sharks in it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sony says, “To access highest quality Pure Stream™ available at 80Mbps you must have a minimum internet speed of 115Mbps.” Last night I did a little checking of video data rate vs incoming peak data rate.

Movies Anywhere - Video 25 Mbps, peak data 33 Mbps
Amazon Prime - Video 15 Mbps, peak data 20 Mbps
Fandango - Video 10 Mbps, peak data 19 Mbps

For streaming the incoming data comes in burst, there can and will be short periods of time where no data is incoming. This is the reason why the bandwidth needs to be a fair amount more than the video data rate.

Your Oppo and DV: IIRC you can select Player-LED or TV-LED but all other video settings are locked out when playing a DV title. I would use some test patterns from HD test disc to compare HD to UHD scaling. In source direct DVD content will not work with my Sony projector so I let the Oppo scale SD and HD content to UHD.

Well, I am not going to upgrade my internet service just to meet Sony's recommendations for a streaming service that has very little content that I don't already own... with the rest of their selection being of very little interest.

Still, I suspect that my 100 Mbps internet download speed will be close enough to stream 80 Mbps content and provide a far better A/V presentation than what we get with the anemic bitrates served up by most streaming sources. My actual internet speed averages about 96 Mbps.

I should still be able to get a good idea of what streaming could be if the popular streaming services actually gave a damn about offering a truly premium viewing and listening experience. Sadly, I don't think that they will ever offer such quality. It has never been about achieving the best quality possible; it has ever only been about controlling costs and making the most money possible.

Thank you for the Oppo suggestions, but I see no harm in experimenting. I can always revert to my previous settings.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

At $2 the Studios are just trying to get some money back, Discs won't last long at those rates!

The studios made their money when the disc rental services initially bought their discs.

What prices the rental stores sell their excess used stock for later on has very little bearing on what the studios earn from physical media.

Obviously, people buying a used disc is a sale that the studios did not benefit from, but the used market has been a reality for most types of merchandise ever sold. At the least when someone buys a product it means that interest in that product still exists.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I never had these problems when Cable Systems had both IPTV and Internet. InfoWest checked my WiFi settings, and the Router is high and close to the TV. Fiber has a Solid Constant Connection, while WiFi Signal Strength has dips!

Yes, we all know that you live in the magical realm of St. George where the internet and streaming services are outstandingly fantastically flawless in every way. That is so .

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Let the tv handle the heavy lifting. Good luck with your appointment and the travel required!

Thanks, I am going to give it a try. I can always revert back if I want.

I got through the day and I am trying to wait to go to bed until a reasonable hour. If I do so now, I will be wide awake around 4 or 5 AM; them's vampire hours!

[Vilya]

I added this out of print Olive label title today:



Description:

"A man who discovers that he hasn't much longer to live finds those around him too self-absorbed for support and enlists a mental patient to help him commit suicide."

I find the dark humor to be delightfully in poor taste.

[Show spoiler]Lest anyone worry I am categorically NOT considering this choice. I benefit from great support and I am fighting as hard as I can.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Good luck Vilya...

Bullet Train is the most Audio/Visually stunning disc I've seem in the last few years...It gets my vote for your first viewing....

Also, I always throw on THE INVISIBLE MAN to test out any changes I've made to my display... besides being a pretty good movie, the first 10 minutes are a bit of a torture test for how well a display handles black levels... it's a completely different movie depending on what you're playing it on.

Are you referring to the 1933 classic or the 2020 iteration?

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Thanks, I am going to give it a try. I can always revert back if I want.

I got through the day and I am trying to wait to go to bed until a reasonable hour. If I do so now, I will be wide awake around 4 or 5 AM; them's vampire hours!

It is somewhat of a different example, but when Chad calibrated my JVC, he turned off any processing on my player and let the projector handle everything. I am of the mindset that your flagship Sony which has been calibrated as well will trump your Oppo.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Are you referring to the 1933 classic or the 2020 iteration?

2020 version is an outstanding disc for both video and audio and actually a damn fun movie in my opinion.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am very sad to hear that your sister is back in the hospital again. I really wish that she could catch a break already.

Her perseverance is of heroic proportions. She has set an inspiring example on how to face sustained and severe adversity. She, and all of your family, are in my thoughts and prayers.

The more it happens, the more we worry. She needs that kidney transplant, BUT she also needs her bladder to settle down and for inflammation to clear, which it isn’t. It’s just too dangerous to put her on the list at moment, but it’s also far from risk free existing on dialysis for several years.

Can’t win really, but thanks so much for your kind words, it feels ridiculous complaining about worry and stress when you are going through your issues.

[Steedeel]

Sometimes, I wish the internet didn’t exist. Read several demoralising articles this week about the future of film and tv. The one that stood out was from a script writer who can’t find work (it was a wrap article, hidden behind membership so can’t link it). She has three kids and they all no longer watch long form content of any kind. Her youngest son (seven) only ever watches YouTube shorts (tik tok rival) on her living room tv, the other two are glued to games.
She feels this is a harbinger for the future of the industry. She classes long form as old tv and tik tok, Youtube and gaming as the new version.
Almost like long form is becoming old fashioned to the very young generation.

As most of you know, this ties into my long term concerns about film and long form. I’m seeing more and more articles about social media and short form video stealing eyeballs from long form. I linked an article last month stating as much.
My thought is that the more advertising dollars go towards tik tok or YouTube, the more the industry will follow the money, and films, long form streaming etc.. will become an ancient form.

Even more concerning, tik tok/YouTube shorts used to be the domain of mostly the young, but stats from last year onwards slow a huge rise in over 40’s use.

I always used to worry about disc surviving, but now it’s more a case of will long form storytelling even be here in 20 years?

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Five hours of total travel time and six hours of appointments and treatment will make for a very long and tiring day today. I leave in about 25 minutes.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

.....my sister is back in hospital with sepsis. This is now ten times, so she is having dialysis while she is in there. It’s a huge concern every time this happens.

Just catching up again on the past few days.

Steedeel - I am so sorry to hear about your sister being back in hospital mate. I really wish her and yourself & family all very best for a positive outcome and hope there will be some light at the end of the tunnel very soon.

Vilya - It goes without saying that I hope for all the very best with your upcoming appointments and treatment as well. Thanks for the updates.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Just catching up again on the past few days.

Steedeel - I am so sorry to hear about your sister being back in hospital mate. I really wish her and yourself & family all very best for a positive outcome and hope there will be some light at the end of the tunnel very soon.

Vilya - It goes without saying that I hope for all the very best with your upcoming appointments and treatment as well. Thanks for the updates.

Appreciated. It feels like Groundhog Day more often than not mate, but hope is important.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Sometimes, I wish the internet didn’t exist.

The internet only exists to the extent that you allow it to. If you are using it so much that it upsets you often, then cut back on it or maybe stop clicking on every clickbait article with a sensationalist headline.

You know already that I do not share any of your concern for this idea that short form content is imperiling long form content nor am I worried at all about 6" phone screens eliminating large screen TVs. In fact, I know of no one personally, or even on this forum, beyond you that worries about, or even imagines, these things happening.

It's not going to happen. I said so, again, so put this silliness out of your head already. You have far more important and REAL matters to be concerned about.

Enjoy who, and what, you have in your life today. That's what's real.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Still, I suspect that my 100 Mbps internet download speed will be close enough to stream 80 Mbps content and provide a far better A/V presentation than what we get with the anemic bitrates served up by most streaming sources. My actual internet speed averages about 96 Mbps.

I was just pointing out you may not reach 80 Mbps video with a 100 Mbps connection and/or service. You should get at least 70 Mbps video and I highly doubt there will be much difference between 70 and 80. Just thought you could try Wi-Fi to show some that it is possible to have high data rate video without a wired connection. Last time I measured my 5 gig wireless it was > 400 Mbps at 45' away with 3 walls in between.

The world seems quite content with low bit rate video as witnessed with the popularity Netflix were the average data rate is less than 5 Mbps.

For those that watch movies via digital locker I would use Movies Anywhere. Did not include Google Play on my table but a check of 1917 showed a video data rate of just 5 Mbps in HD. Apparently they did not have the UHD version. The Microsoft movie app is not available on the ATV4K so I can not check their info.