81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[kknight]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

No wonder Sony has lost every format war, it seems as though they have no idea what they are doing. The BDA = a bunch of retards.

What made you think Blu-ray lost this war? Just because of Paramount deal... bribing is bad business, cheap and at times illegal. Buena Vista, 20th Century Fox, Lionsgate support Blu-ray exclusively because they feel that it's the best format out there... Paramount are greedy bastards and then you got Universal who are bunch of arrogant a-holes... one day all this is going to bite them in the ass...

[monkyman]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Well, it seems like this format war will never end. Unless Warner goes Blu exclusive this will drag out for years and DVD will prevail. All this because the BDA was too stupid to pay off Paramount before toshiba/M$ did and now with this news HDDVD has momentum going into the holidays. No wonder Sony has lost every format war, it seems as though they have no idea what they are doing. The BDA = a bunch of retards.

People like this should have no business being involved with the format war.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

The BDA = a bunch of retards.

This after a week of BOGO?

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by Craig Ruchman

I have to agree, the price must get below $200 for entry players. I just helped a friend get a $3,000 samsung 1080P LCD. Now they are dithering on spending any more for a good front end DVD/Blu ray player. I see this all the time, big bucks for a TV and nothing for the rest of the system. Sub $200 players is key to staying on top of the game.

This kind of thinking boggles my mind.

So someone goes out and pays $3,000 for a TV and $30-40 per movie.....yet to pay $200 more one time to get a good player is suddenly going to break their bank?

It's simple actually....if you can afford a highdef TV then the price difference of Bluray and HD is insignficant right now. When TV's start dropping in price considerably, that's when it'll be more important to have that key $100-$150 players. At least that's the way I see it.

[jdsanko]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

Sub 200 is meaningless when movies are 39.99 msrp at best buy. Software prices keep the normal consumer out of it more then any other factor, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Right now, with software so pricey, you want to get the consumer who has the disposable income to really get into this hobby, not the kind that buys 1-4 discs a year.

I agree. It seems to me that the demographic who would be most enticed by a low priced player, would not be prepared to pay $30 to $40 for a movie to play in it. I think the biggest issue is that at current prices, BD players for the most part do not support all of the audio codecs. Especially DTS-MA since Fox it using it. It also appears that Fox is putting out a very high quality product as well.

I am not concerned about Profiles and interactivity. I want the highest quality Audio and Video I can get and a player that can take advantage of it.

[cawgijoe]

I don't think HD-DUD will win this week due to the BOGO sales on Blu-Ray. I bought eight BD's myself and I never do that. That means I negated eight Transformer buys myself. Multiply that and think about it. That 190K (if it's even real) for Transformers could easily be surpassed by the BOGO.

Looking forward to seeing the Friday Nielsen numbers.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Well, it seems like this format war will never end. Unless Warner goes Blu exclusive this will drag out for years and DVD will prevail. All this because the BDA was too stupid to pay off Paramount before toshiba/M$ did and now with this news HDDVD has momentum going into the holidays. No wonder Sony has lost every format war, it seems as though they have no idea what they are doing. The BDA = a bunch of retards.

Erm... You have no idea what went on behind the scenes with that deal and the aftermath, so you shouldn't be so quick to judge.

You clearly don't know everything about what happened (very few people do) so I would refrain from talking about this subject until you do know about what really happened.

[Nooff]

All Spider-man Trilogy copies at my local store were sold within 30 mins. Remember, Spider-man is out in Australia and Europe already, so it should just knock Transformers off 1st place.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

No wonder Sony has lost every format war

The Playstation sure did get smashed by the Nintendo 64 didn't it?

The Playstation 2 was dominated by BOTH Gamecube and Xbox.

It's a wonder that the PS3 even existed with such a horrible track record.

Note for the sarcasm impaired: This was sarcasm.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Erm... You have no idea what went on behind the scenes with that deal and the aftermath, so you shouldn't be so quick to judge.

You clearly don't know everything about what happened (very few people do) so I would refrain from talking about this subject until you do know about what really happened.

When are we likely to find out

[docjan_uk]

The CD, Sony and Phillips biggest ever joint failure.

[Terjyn]

Exactly. Sony basically sucked themselves into being one of the top 75 companies in the world. Man, they sure are clueless.

Clearly it is their incompetence preventing them from being #1 instead of "just" top 75.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by Craig Ruchman

I have to agree, the price must get below $200 for entry players. I just helped a friend get a $3,000 samsung 1080P LCD. Now they are dithering on spending any more for a good front end DVD/Blu ray player. I see this all the time, big bucks for a TV and nothing for the rest of the system. Sub $200 players is key to staying on top of the game.

Bizarre. I am convinced that these are the same people who will be watching it with basic cable. "Oh they have digital cable!"

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by jdsanko

I agree. It seems to me that the demographic who would be most enticed by a low priced player, would not be prepared to pay $30 to $40 for a movie to play in it. I think the biggest issue is that at current prices, BD players for the most part do not support all of the audio codecs. Especially DTS-MA since Fox it using it. It also appears that Fox is putting out a very high quality product as well.

I am not concerned about Profiles and interactivity. I want the highest quality Audio and Video I can get and a player that can take advantage of it.

Excellent point at the end. The BDA needs to focus more on the strengths of their format and less on what HD-DVD offers. Interactivity is overrated. People don't even use PIP on their HDTVs. Who has time for all this crap? They are losing their focus and it is reflected in these posts. The format seems wayward as is the many opinions on it's direction.

[WickyWoo]

When are we likely to find out

5-10 years after all this is over, and no one cares about NDA violations anymore

[bluperch]

Bizarre. I am convinced that these are the same people who will be watching it with basic cable. "Oh they have digital cable!"

I don't think it's so bizarre. People I know are getting HDTVs to watch HD programming on cable/satellite. What they wanted most was to see (primarily) sports in HD. They took a big hit in the wallet and now they're taking some breathing time (mostly emotionally/psychologically) before they're ready to move into a high-def player (and spending 400+ more dollars).

Some also fear of investing into the wrong format (they are truly uncommitted to either format). They don't care which format wins, they just want to make sure they've invested in the winning one (I'm obviously not persuasive enough to sway them to Blu when that requires an additional investment of at least $400 for just the player, let alone $34 discs). Early adopters are unique. The vast majority of people see this "war" as confusing and something to avoid (if they even know it's going on at all).

For me, it's the cost of BDs holding me back from purchasing more movies. I very rarely spend full price on BDs ... they're just too expensive for me. I wait for the BOGOs and one-off sales. But there have been enough of those to allow me to buy a fair amount of BDs (waiting for my Amazon BOGOs to show up in the mail).

[X400]

I wonder if paramounts figures of 190k included replacement discs since it seems a load of ppl are having errors on their red transformer

[yakman]

Originally Posted by RobertB

Where does this 190k number for sold HD-DVD "Transformers" come from? I find this highly unrealistic when compared to the number of "300" sold on HD-DVD.

I'm more than a tad sceptical about that number. But I guess we will know the truth come Friday.

EDIT:

Ok, found the info on https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=20865

So they are reporting 190k sold units of HD-DVD "Transformers". It's a solid number when compared to all other HD-DVD releases and pretty good compared to the top selling BD's also.

The week might be tighter than I had thought. But on a side not, I do wonder how many of those 190k were sold through web-stores to non-US consumers. It's a known fact many HD-DVD buyers order their discs directly from the US since it's a region free format.

While I'm skeptical of the number, it is interesting that we don't know what kind of first week numbers HDM is truly capable of since 300 was widely sold out on both HDM formats the first week.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by monkyman

People like this should have no business being involved with the format war.

Agreed. Thanks to my ignore list, in my world, they ARE no longer involved.

[MrBogey]

I bought 10 or so blu-ray discs.