81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[WickyWoo]

Now, lets say Randy Moss is WB. After this year he is a free agent. New England isn't going to pay him like he's the best receiver in the game to keep him next year. So, If I'm Randy Moss, do I go play for a crappy team (HD) and pay me to make me the highest paid player? Or do I look at the potential to win another superbowl (format war) and sign with New England for a little less because they have the best chance to win the game?

I'd say that's far more applicable to Universal, if he were playing on a midrange team

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Wow, all sorts of interesting stuff.



80K or so HD DVD players sold in 2006, assuming 120K shipped, that would mean about 550K units sold in 2007. Compare that to the 1 million projection (down from 1.8 million, down from 2.5-3.0 million).

Still, these are small numbers, and Blu-ray isn't blowing HD DVD away in North America.

Gary

Not yet. They are blowing out HD-DVD in other parts of the world though. Last I checked, weren't there some countries where you couldn't even find HD-DVD if you wanted to?

http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...38108420071127

Worldwide perspective is very important to remember here.

[Steverhcp02]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

I totally agree!! I use to think that we had this in the bag 4 months ago, but with Paramount switching, I now think anything is possible. I believe if Warner sits back and reviews the data, they will come to the proper conclusion of choosing blu exclusively. However, we don't know what other tricks HD has up their sleeve late in the 4q to pull off the upset. That is what keeps me on my toes and keeps me from totally thinking this game is already over as some of you have already presumed.

I dont think anyone is saying bam, its over. But i think people are just confused by your desire to go out of the way to play teh doom and gloom role. Be cautiously optimistic for sure........but ALL SIGNS point favorably towards BD.....so i think many people here, including myself wonder why you seem so intent on channeling your energy into the least likely scenerio and then multiply the worry for no reason.

No one is saying to sell your house and buy Sony stock with it, but to be this cold and cloudy at this point seems a bit unnecessary, thats all.

[WickyWoo]

There will be no formal surrender ceremony

HD DVD will just slowly vanish over a year or more

[GTP]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Wow, all sorts of interesting stuff.



80K or so HD DVD players sold in 2006, assuming 120K shipped, that would mean about 550K units sold in 2007. Compare that to the 1 million projection (down from 1.8 million, down from 2.5-3.0 million).

Still, these are small numbers, and Blu-ray isn't blowing HD DVD away in North America.

Gary

Are the RCA and Toshiba first gen hd dvd players counted as sold even if they are still collecting dust on local Wally World shelves?

[phloyd]

If Paramount and Universal (as well as Warner) drop HD DVD I think we could call that a definitive end.

If they keep releasing a few titles on HD DVD then it will be like UMD where Sony continues to release titles so it is not really totally dead.

Interestingly enough, UMD movies are still released in Japan, with the new Harry Potter and 300 being upcoming/recent releases. The world is a funny place sometimes

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

There will be no formal surrender ceremony

HD DVD will just slowly vanish over a year or more

Agreed. Though I think the day Toshiba announces a combo player can be considered the official/formal end of "hostile actions". That day is going to be a real laugher...

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by phloyd

If Paramount and Universal (as well as Warner) drop HD DVD I think we could call that a definitive end.

If they keep releasing a few titles on HD DVD then it will be like UMD where Sony continues to release titles so it is not really totally dead.

Interestingly enough, UMD movies are still released in Japan, with the new Harry Potter and 300 being upcoming/recent releases. The world is a funny place sometimes

If Warner goes blue exclusive, that is effectively the end. Even more so if Universal goes neutral in addition to the Warner move.

[The Guardian]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

I like your football analogy it's probably the best analogy I've seen in this format war, but you've assumed that WB is already blu exclusive in your explanation which isn't the case.

I think he was referring to when WB went Neutral from Red.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by patrick99

If Warner goes blue exclusive, that is effectively the end. Even more so if Universal goes neutral in addition to the Warner move.

I would definately sit my starters and give the 2nd string a chance to play at this point!!

[Crackbone]

The game isn't over until Warner makes the move. And yes, any backroom shady dealings can happen. However, the silver lining is that Warner is probably the studio that is least likely to take the cash grab.

The BDA has matched and surpassed everything HD DVD has thrown @ it, including dumping hardware.. We've got a BD SAL @ 300 bucks right now... They are definately pushing..

If Warner goes Red, well, that's just the way things go. However, I don't see much else the BDA can do to make its case. It's made it in sales, in marketing, its going to meet Warner's interactivity desires shortly.

What else can the BDA do?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by GTP

Are the RCA and Toshiba first gen hd dvd players counted as sold even if they are still collecting dust on local Wally World shelves?

Good question. The stats are all "shipped" which isn't at all interesting. Although we already know what overshipment means for HD DVD: A firesale clearance.

Gary

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by JTK

Not yet. They are blowing out HD-DVD in other parts of the world though. Last I checked, weren't there some countries where you couldn't even find HD-DVD if you wanted to?

http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...38108420071127

Worldwide perspective is very important to remember here.

And, I believe the studios are increasingly having to think about a world view. And if they want China and region to ever be anything but a piracy mecca, Blu-ray is the only option currently out there for establishing a legitimate disc market in region C.

But, lets face it, the entire HD DVD plan right now is that they fight for the win in America and then expect the world to tag along with the result. It's the "world doesn't matter" attitude.

Gary

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

And, I believe the studios are increasingly having to think about a world view. And if they want China and region to ever be anything but a piracy mecca, Blu-ray is the only option currently out there for establishing a legitimate disc market in region C.

But, lets face it, the entire HD DVD plan right now is that they fight for the win in America and then expect the world to tag along with the result. It's the "world doesn't matter" attitude.

Gary

Appalling arrogance and short sightedness, among other things.

[Porfie]

HD-DVD has been selling better on amazon over the last few days. Lets up it a notch and make sure Blu-ray has another winning week. Thanks to all those blu-ray supporters!

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

[Kyot]

One thing I noticed is that a lot of people done like preordering titles. They like ordering the movies the week they come out.

This week is huge with the Harry Potters and Lost coming out, so you will see a drastice increase in sales for Blu Ray starting tomorrow.

[turboedguy]

It looks like the Business Week artical scared them.

[darkblueme]

I think this is a direct result of Amazon's 12 free HD-DVD movies with the purchase of an HD DUD player deal. The ratio will be in Blu's favor everywhere else.

[CGYBLU]

I'm waiting to buy last week (4th) 's titles this week (11th) so they all arrive in one large happy package

[Bolaar]

Well I bought stuff at JRs so amazon won't reflect it.