Sony's going to try and earn it! Yeah right!

[Azza]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

You mean 7 right?

9 was a real hack job.

Pshhh, 7 is the most overrated game in history proven fact, 9 is to underrated.

[Viquist_Zius]

Originally Posted by Azza

Pshhh, 7 is the most overrated game in history proven fact, 9 is to underrated.

I agree, but 8 is amazing whether anyone else thinks so or not, I loved all the stuff they changed. But on topic, the PS3 will win in the end for sales (over 360 anyway) but without incentives or at least development help for third parties, they will not be winning with many exclusives and games other than their own first and second. Last I heard, Sony was trying to help a developer making a game for their system using the Unreal Engine 3. That's what they need to do for more companies.

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Azza

Pshhh, 7 is the most overrated game in history IMO, 9 is to underrated.

Fixed it for ya.

[Azza]

Originally Posted by Musashi

Fixed it for ya.

Acturally i made a mistake, i put FF7 when i ment Halo

But yer back on topic, sony is building up a pretty impressive exclusive games list for the rest of 07 and 08, so i know ps3 will come out on top, maybe not in sales (against Wii) but will end up having the best games.

[Matt X]

Originally Posted by BluManta

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/date/07032007/index.html#677065

According to an interview by PSM with SCEA president Jack Tretton, Money does not equal to exclusive titles. He said:

I get what there saying but really in today’s world you cant not just sit back and hope video game developers just say "Your right Sony you do deserve this game not the 360" It wont happen Sony need to start playing the same game as Microsoft before we see MGS4 or FF on the junk box. Developers don’t care they go after the $$$ and Sony needs to understand that and start handing out blank checks and get some of there exclusive games back.
What’s the saying some times the right thing to do isn’t always the right (or best) thing to do, its great that Sony isn’t playing dirty and I think we all can respect that but we also don’t want to wait for 2 years for Sony to prove them selves.

I think what Jack meant was that they may want to encourage developers to add exclusive CONTENT to a non-exclusive game, 'cause we all know the PS3 can handle things that the 360 can't. Sony and IBM HAVE been helping developers get used to programming for Cell. It might be a good business model - don't bug devs about exclusivity (that might also swing some x-box devs into your camp, w/out spending a dime), encourage them to put in exclusive content for the PS3. certainly not as aggressive as fully exclusive games, but it might help remove the "hype machine" factor in this war, and make the issue more about what matters- who has the better machine (we know what that is)

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by BLu-Balls

The PS3 is the most difficult console to program for and that terrifies them. Plus the look at it as being less profitable to design for the PS3. Once the larger companies figure out programming for the PS3 and everyone is caught up with the PS3, everyone is going to jump on the programming bandwagon. Those slack and idle *****es

And THAT is precisely where Sony "failed" with the PS3. They made a great console, solidly built with terrific hardware and LOADS of potential. But then they jinxed themselves by making it tough to develop for. Can you say "Betamax"? Sony has a rep for making GREAT products, but giving them one critical fault that keeps them from being killerapp.

If you're a game developer who wants to create a fantastic game (and hopefully make a big profit--they're not 100% in it for the love), then it just makes sense to follow the path of least resistance. They're programmers... not masochists. They'll pick an established technology that let's them do what they want to do without having to make concessions, train up on new languages, or spend unnecessary capital.

It's not laziness or greed... anyone who says as much is ignorant to how this industry works.

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

And THAT is precisely where Sony "failed" with the PS3. They made a great console, solidly built with terrific hardware and LOADS of potential. But then they jinxed themselves by making it tough to develop for. Can you say "Betamax"? Sony has a rep for making GREAT products, but giving them one critical fault that keeps them from being killerapp.

Please drop the FUD. PS2 was more difficult to work with for its time (yes, without a direct competitor before anyone mentions it) and it took a while for developers to get up to speed. This time last year some 360 game developers were still complaining they were having difficulty working with multiple IDENTICAL cores and dual threads. This is a problem that is gradually removed with greater experience and tools.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Please drop the FUD. PS2 was more difficult to work with for its time (yes, without a direct competitor before anyone mentions it) and it took a while for developers to get up to speed. This time last year some 360 game developers were still complaining they were having difficulty working with multiple IDENTICAL cores and dual threads. This is a problem that is gradually removed with greater experience and tools.

Dreamcast?

Remember the DC was basically powered by MS, kind of a precursor to the original Xbox.

[maconomics]

Everyone is saying that Sony should pay for exclusives ! If they did pay for past exclusives then gamers shouldn't know about it. M$ didn't hesitate to let the media know about their deal with GTA 4. If Sony had to pay for exclusives I do not need to know because that will make them look desperate like M$. On the other hand I guess thats the nature of business its all about revenue. Microsoft is not playing a fair game ! For all we know M$ could have paid off others Capcom, EA and others. The GTA deal could be viewed as a payoff ! instead of buying exclusive content. I"am not bashing M$ because I own a PS3 ! it's because the company has been using disposable income$$$ to dominate the video game market ..their methods are way beyond the nature of competitive marketing. This generation is very different from the past because there is a more on the line for both companies.

[NeoTechni]

Originally Posted by Azza

Pshhh, 7 is the most overrated game in history proven fact, 9 is to underrated.

7 was what got me into RPGs. It is one of the best games I ever played, I even put it on my PSP

[BluManta]

Irl settle with, there all crap.

[MrEastSide]

I don't see what the big deal is about paying for exclusivity and advertising that fact. You want the big games under your belt you pay for them. It's no different then an MLB or NFL team signing someone to their team for 50 million dollars. If you want to win that's what you do. Signing Roger Clemens or Barry Bonds to your team is like having the exclusive rights to a GTA game.

[BluManta]

Originally Posted by MrEastSide

I don't see what the big deal is about paying for exclusivity and advertising that fact. You want the big games under your belt you pay for them. It's no different then an MLB or NFL team signing someone to their team for 50 million dollars. If you want to win that's what you do. Signing Roger Clemens or Barry Bonds to your team is like having the exclusive rights to a GTA game.

I understand what your saying because I never used to car about exlusive at all. But now the PS3 and 360 are out, it changes alot. Things are gonna turn out alot better if they are made on the PS3 first. But multi-plat games tend to be made on a 360 becase thats the crapper machine. I dont mean its crap but its not as good as the PS3 so they have to make the game even up.
I personally don't see why they have to even them out. I think they should make the game as good as they can on both machines. Like PS3 games on PS2. The PS3 one is alot better but they're not even? And Wresling games. The l8est was on PS2 and 360 and there was a big difference.
If the PS3 is so special why dont they make it better on there then on the 360???

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by BluManta

If the PS3 is so special why dont they make it better on there then on the 360???

Both consoles, hardware-wise, are pretty much on par with each other. There's differences, sure, but neither has anything "cutting edge" over the other. So the same game on both consoles won't have any big differences, or be better on one than the other.

Oblivion is the PERFECT example of this. And it just goes to show that game designers are more interested in making a great GAME than they are on staking sides in which console is "best". No one is gonna port a game where the performance or game experience is crippled as a result. So they'll all be very similar between plats.

[partridge]

If you want to see what the PS3 can really do then look to the 1st party games, they are the ones that will always show what a console can do.

Sony have hit the nail on the head; Nintendo are too reliant on 1st party, MS are too 3rd party. Sony have always managed to get a great balance of both and there's no sign of that changing; yes some previous exclusives have gone multi, but a lot of that is about developers getting back as much money as possible. At this early stage in a consoles life developers won't make as much now as they will in a couple of years time.

[BluManta]

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

Both consoles, hardware-wise, are pretty much on par with each other. There's differences, sure, but neither has anything "cutting edge" over the other. So the same game on both consoles won't have any big differences, or be better on one than the other.

Oblivion is the PERFECT example of this. And it just goes to show that game designers are more interested in making a great GAME than they are on staking sides in which console is "best". No one is gonna port a game where the performance or game experience is crippled as a result. So they'll all be very similar between plats.

So why isit said the 'Cell' is amazing. It makes me wonder if this is true.

[Shin-Ra]

Ignore him, exclusive games are the proof and the best looking PS3 games are just plain better looking.

e.g. Uncharted Drake's fortune has better animation, lighting, more modeled detail and sharper textures than Gears of War, both to be released one year after launch.

Oblivion proof that the PS3 and 360 are equal? Who are you trying to kid? I don't believe either version of the game is particularly indicative of each consoles ability, it's a first generation game with PC and Xbox 360 as its original target platforms with optimisations made for PS3 but its by no means pushing the PS3 in as efficient a way as a talented PS3-only developer would.

[BluManta]

Name a game that couldn't be done on the 360. thats on PS3 at the mo.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

Both consoles, hardware-wise, are pretty much on par with each other. There's differences, sure, but neither has anything "cutting edge" over the other. So the same game on both consoles won't have any big differences, or be better on one than the other.

Oblivion is the PERFECT example of this. And it just goes to show that game designers are more interested in making a great GAME than they are on staking sides in which console is "best". No one is gonna port a game where the performance or game experience is crippled as a result. So they'll all be very similar between plats.

Oblivion isn't a good eample , just not for the reasons you think.

The PC gameplay got hurt greatly by the console design and approach, both with Morrowind and Oblivion. The console gameplay got hurt by the PC development motif of unoptimized Gamebyro engines being "ok".

The performance differences between the two games shows one thing very nicely though. BD's increased disc bandwidth is a good thing for streaming games, a very good thing.

[MrEastSide]

The truth is they are both fairly equal. The Cell is amazing and the 360 Triple core can do some amazing things too. Like people have said it's going to come down to how much time the designers take to make a game and if a game is designed from the ground up for a specific system.