Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Should be in my mailbox by the time I get home...I will post a thorough review with my very unbias opinion toward 60fps

I'm guessing 10 mentions of the '60FPS' or 'HFR'

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I'm guessing 10 mentions of the '60FPS' or 'HFR'

That'll be just to get started in the title of my review

[RockyIII]

Finally got the movie...only one word to describe it: WOW!!!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Finally got the movie...only one word to describe it: WOW!!!

That was my reaction, but not for the same reason as you.

However, the 4K was beautiful as expected.

Disclaimer: a friend kindly put on a showing of this movie on for me. I am waiting for the right time to make the jump regarding 4K. As long as I can watch all my current and future films at 24FPS I will be very happy. Forced HFR in the future is a no sale for me so I'm hoping that doesn't happen.

[RockyIII]

I stayed up past my bed time because this movie was so gripping, and I even hated the story and the cast. But the PQ, HFR, and the way it was shot was so gripping that I couldn't help but wanting to find out what would happen next.
Sometimes I had to pause the thing and take a deep breath because I felt like witnessing something truly groundbreaking in film industry. I asked myself "Is this perhaps how the first person to watch a film in colors must have felt like"? I was overwhelmed to say the least.
The funeral scene toward the beginning, the football field scene, the half-time scene, and the battlefield scenes, all those really got me on the edge of my seat, and all I could think was that this stuff will mark the beginning of an evolution in filmmaking.

[RockyIII]

By the way, I'm really amazed at how a non- US director was able the capture some of the most deranged and shallow aspects of American society...At times I felt like I was watching House of Cards!

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

By the way, I'm really amazed at how a non- US director was able the capture some of the most deranged and shallow aspects of American society...At times I felt like I was watching House of Cards!

What a god awful show.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

What a god awful show.

This movie reminded me a lot of the Netflix original House of Cards. It exploits the shallow and deranged aspects of American society where it is not about 'who we are' as much as 'what we say'.
The movie is just as awful as the show, but the fantastic UHD picture and HFR made me keep watching in awe

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

This movie reminded me a lot of the Netflix original House of Cards. It exploits the shallow and deranged aspects of American society where it is not about 'who we are' as much as 'what we say'.
The movie is just as awful as the show, but the fantastic UHD picture and HFR made me keep watching in awe

Yeah, the PQ was definitely stunning. It's rightfully recognized as one of, if not the best, UHD discs out there.

For me, it's #1 by far, in terms of PQ.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Yeah, the PQ was definitely stunning. It's rightfully recognized as one of, if not the best, UHD discs out there.

For me, it's #1 by far, in terms of PQ.

The desert battle scenes were so silky smooth and so clear it was like having moving Kodak photos on the screen. When the football game started, the kickoff was also mind-blowing because of how HFR stood out as the football players ran across the field. I really felt like I was watching a piece of home video entertainment history taking shape before my eyes

Of course none of the above changed the fact that plot was utter garbage. I really wonder why Ang Lee chose this tired out, beaten to the ground socio-political subject for his next film.

It took me two evenings to watch the entire movie...I have mixed feelings: from a technical standpoint, this was really groundbreaking and even for Oled standards this was taken to a whole new level of both picture but also sound. There is no other 4K title that even comes close to this.
From a storyline standpoint, well, what can I say...It seems as if Ang Lee really knows how to make sure you dont give a rat's ass about the story or its characters. In fact, there is really no story but just one depiction after another of the shallow and frivolous nature of our society and the psychological effects of war on soldiers. The storyline has no dynamics and it jus tgoes nowhere. Maybe Ang Lee underestimates his audience and does not think that we already know how politics work, or what the real motives for war are...What a mess this was!

Note: The fake Beyonce was also really tacky. If you are going to have someone impersonating a real high-profile pop artist at least choose an actress with a similar body type

[Resettito]

Anyone else facepalming at this sad display of ignorance?!

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Resettito

Anyone else facepalming at this sad display of ignorance?!

Did you even like this movie in UHD 60fps?

[monstermidget]

I have not seen this film yet, in 60fps or otherwise, so on that note...feel free to ignore this post.
But having read through some of the thread and seeing these kind of arguments and discussions whenever high frame rates are mentioned, I just wanted to add my 2 cents(about all they're worth).

Firstly i think it's odd to pretend not to know what people mean when they say 60fps does not look like film.
Look whether it be through limitations or whatever else 24fps became and has continued to be the standard for film for a long time now.
Every person in this forum, has a top 5/top 10 films of all time, well I feel fairly safe in saying nearly all of those films to a man are shot at 24fps. I mean it is one of the defining attributes of the medium and as such is obviously going to be one of the ways we identify the art-form.

Originally Posted by brainofj72

This is definitely not true. Realism isn't the goal of cinema and never has been. SOME films, sure. But not all. Not even most.

Brain's absolutely correct, to argue this fact implies a skewed appreciation of cinema.
I could sit here all day typing countless hundred examples that would validate this point--the fight scenes in raging bull, the intro to apocalypse now--but rather I'll just say this... if film making was about replication of real life,of capturing what we see out the window, how would any director become notable for their style.
I mean just think about the use of slow motion in film or lighting effects or grading or flashed negatives, or unconventional editing and on and on; all techniques that clearly betray any attempt to display reality, in an attempt to create a feeling or mood, something artistically much larger than 'real life'.

You see I think the problem here is a lot of modern films are directed by hacks who just set up and shoot and make very little us of the art-form so we could be forgiven for thinking that all they trying to do is boringly replicate real life.

Also it's pushing the levels obtuseness to liken improvement in resolution and color space (all of which have more to do with limitations in the home) to the perceived benefits of 60fps
As BrianofJ72 rightly points out, these are merely means to better represent what was captured by the director, based on limitations on our end of the chain not his.
I'm no expert on these things but for example 35mm having much higher comparative resolution that we ever previously got to see, and cinemas have always had wider color space than consumer televisions, the end game here being that in the near future consumer displays will finally show us what the director saw on his professional monitor. This is not the same thing as directors wanting to make their films "look as close as reality as possible".

I think HFR has its place; sport, concerts, certain documentaries will benefit greatly, and it could well be used as a tool within film making, when used for a specific purpose by the director either to just create a particular mood in one scene or possibly for the odd film, as here with Billy Lynn(again I would have to see the film to make a decision whether it works for me)
But I don't expect it to become the new standard, and I won't be writing any remembrance cards just yet, because for better or worse, film is the modern art-form it is because and despite of 24fps.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by monstermidget

Every person in this forum, has a top 5/top 10 films of all time, well I feel fairly safe in saying nearly all of those films to a man are shot at 24fps.

If you ask anyone why they like any of their top 5-10 all time movies, not one person would list the fact that it was shot in 24p as a reason - literally not a single person on the entire planet. It's not a defining attribute of film at all. That's something you just made up in your head.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by monstermidget

I have not seen this film yet, in 60fps or otherwise, so on that note...feel free to ignore this post.
But having read through some of the thread and seeing these kind of arguments and discussions whenever high frame rates are mentioned, I just wanted to add my 2 cents(about all they're worth).

Firstly i think it's odd to pretend not to know what people mean when they say 60fps does not look like film.
Look whether it be through limitations or whatever else 24fps became and has continued to be the standard for film for a long time now.
Every person in this forum, has a top 5/top 10 films of all time, well I feel fairly safe in saying nearly all of those films to a man are shot at 24fps. I mean it is one of the defining attributes of the medium and as such is obviously going to be one of the ways we identify the art-form.


Brain's absolutely correct, to argue this fact implies a skewed appreciation of cinema.
I could sit here all day typing countless hundred examples that would validate this point--the fight scenes in raging bull, the intro to apocalypse now--but rather I'll just say this... if film making was about replication of real life,of capturing what we see out the window, how would any director become notable for their style.
I mean just think about the use of slow motion in film or lighting effects or grading or flashed negatives, or unconventional editing and on and on; all techniques that clearly betray any attempt to display reality, in an attempt to create a feeling or mood, something artistically much larger than 'real life'.

You see I think the problem here is a lot of modern films are directed by hacks who just set up and shoot and make very little us of the art-form so we could be forgiven for thinking that all they trying to do is boringly replicate real life.

Also it's pushing the levels obtuseness to liken improvement in resolution and color space (all of which have more to do with limitations in the home) to the perceived benefits of 60fps
As BrianofJ72 rightly points out, these are merely means to better represent what was captured by the director, based on limitations on our end of the chain not his.
I'm no expert on these things but for example 35mm having much higher comparative resolution that we ever previously got to see, and cinemas have always had wider color space than consumer televisions, the end game here being that in the near future consumer displays will finally show us what the director saw on his professional monitor. This is not the same thing as directors wanting to make their films "look as close as reality as possible".

I think HFR has its place; sport, concerts, certain documentaries will benefit greatly, and it could well be used as a tool within film making, when used for a specific purpose by the director either to just create a particular mood in one scene or possibly for the odd film, as here with Billy Lynn(again I would have to see the film to make a decision whether it works for me)
But I don't expect it to become the new standard, and I won't be writing any remembrance cards just yet, because for better or worse, film is the modern art-form it is because and despite of 24fps.

Cool story

[neoz]

[monstermidget]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

If you ask anyone why they like any of their top 5-10 all time movies, not one person would list the fact that it was shot in 24p as a reason - literally not a single person on the entire planet. It's not a defining attribute of film at all. That's something you just made up in your head.

In fairness I did not say that was THE reason at all, I was simply stating that its a fact 24fps is the accepted standard and its perfectly reasonable then that people do not see 60fps as film-like.

If you don't think that 24fps motion is one of the main attributes of film then fair enough.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by monstermidget

I have not seen this film yet, in 60fps or otherwise, so on that note...feel free to ignore this post.
But having read through some of the thread and seeing these kind of arguments and discussions whenever high frame rates are mentioned, I just wanted to add my 2 cents(about all they're worth).

Firstly i think it's odd to pretend not to know what people mean when they say 60fps does not look like film.
Look whether it be through limitations or whatever else 24fps became and has continued to be the standard for film for a long time now.
Every person in this forum, has a top 5/top 10 films of all time, well I feel fairly safe in saying nearly all of those films to a man are shot at 24fps. I mean it is one of the defining attributes of the medium and as such is obviously going to be one of the ways we identify the art-form.


Brain's absolutely correct, to argue this fact implies a skewed appreciation of cinema.
I could sit here all day typing countless hundred examples that would validate this point--the fight scenes in raging bull, the intro to apocalypse now--but rather I'll just say this... if film making was about replication of real life,of capturing what we see out the window, how would any director become notable for their style.
I mean just think about the use of slow motion in film or lighting effects or grading or flashed negatives, or unconventional editing and on and on; all techniques that clearly betray any attempt to display reality, in an attempt to create a feeling or mood, something artistically much larger than 'real life'.

You see I think the problem here is a lot of modern films are directed by hacks who just set up and shoot and make very little us of the art-form so we could be forgiven for thinking that all they trying to do is boringly replicate real life.

Also it's pushing the levels obtuseness to liken improvement in resolution and color space (all of which have more to do with limitations in the home) to the perceived benefits of 60fps
As BrianofJ72 rightly points out, these are merely means to better represent what was captured by the director, based on limitations on our end of the chain not his.
I'm no expert on these things but for example 35mm having much higher comparative resolution that we ever previously got to see, and cinemas have always had wider color space than consumer televisions, the end game here being that in the near future consumer displays will finally show us what the director saw on his professional monitor. This is not the same thing as directors wanting to make their films "look as close as reality as possible".

I think HFR has its place; sport, concerts, certain documentaries will benefit greatly, and it could well be used as a tool within film making, when used for a specific purpose by the director either to just create a particular mood in one scene or possibly for the odd film, as here with Billy Lynn(again I would have to see the film to make a decision whether it works for me)
But I don't expect it to become the new standard, and I won't be writing any remembrance cards just yet, because for better or worse, film is the modern art-form it is because and despite of 24fps.

Best post I have read this week. Have a thanks!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Cool story

Not the most grown up of responses Rocky.

[Mean Gene]

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