Need opinions on this Subwoofer

[hagar852]

Take it up with the reviewer of the sub not me. He is the one that reviewed it and made his measurements. I don't know why you think I am the one making these claims.


None the less on the avs forum there is another review posted on their tower speakers also not measuring at the 40hz mark at +/- 3db level. Seems to be some consistencies there.

You are a little niave if you think companies won't inflate their numbers some what.

Here is another review you can read about and make not about that reviewers measurements also on their tower speakers. Seems to be a trend here.

A6-6T6 review

[JasonR]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post10641557

[blu-ray-bob#1]

Originally Posted by blu-ray-bob#1
Thoughts not facts but my 2 cents

1) You get what you pay for!

That doesn't make sense considering you've never even experienced the sub.

Yes it does and since I have never experienced ED, Then I can say you are wrong. They use cheaper materials, a "no name" Amp and a finish that looks like a truck bed.

2) ED may make an excellent product but they need to not charge before shipping

Uh, yes they do. You think they're going to deal with people who do what you do without paying? That's a waste...

Most companys only charge 50% of the cost on special orders then the rest at time of shipment or pickup.

3) ED needs to keep some inventory on hand so thier is not a five week wait

They are still a small company and are working overtime just to get the current orders in. Please watch what you say.

Watch what I say, If thier products are as great as you say then cash flow should not be an issue and they should be able to meet the orders. The old saying is you got to spend money to make money!

4) The Aperion sub is $114 more and guess what it came before my ED was even out of final asambley!

Aperion is a huge company compared to eD and has machines doing all the work. eD isn't there yet. Where did you get $114 from when the A2-300 used to be $315 and now it is $350? That's $150 more for the Aperion with free shipping on both.

I order the extra nice finish to get it close to the Aperion so I doesnt look like a truck bed (350+35= 385 -499 = 114) By the way Check out ED's Blog they just bought a new CNC Machine to speed up production!

5) My room is 24' Long x 15' wide with 8' Celings and the couch is 20' away from the sub and it shook the couch! That with the default setting and crossover set at 60 HZ.

What does that have to do with the A2-300?

If you read the review posted by Hagar865 it has everything to do with it. And I was mearly pointing out the my room is considered a large room and the small 8d shakes the walls!

6) The sound was clean, clear and tight! What more could you ask for!

A lot actually.

Dont understand that responce. With a finish that as nice as some custom car paint jobs , a great bass responce and a Bash Amp. with remote I honestly dont see what more you could want expect free shipping back on the ED.

What ever you decide weigh all the options as in the end its your money and you dont want live with something that you dont like.

What exactly is wrong with the physical sub?

Nothing

I say if someone is willing to pay for shipping both ways go for it ! You will know right away if you made the right choice!

There are plenty of companies that have that option but that doesn't mean you made a good choice. I don't understand that logic at all.

Ultimately you have to like what you buy and I know the Aperion 8D workes for me

No Hard feeling just my $114 worth.

[crackinhedz]

craigsub

A2-300 @ 20 Hz:





A2-300 @ 25 Hz:





Here is where the A2-300 really shines ... and meshes well with the listening tests done here: Check out this performance at 18 Hz:




Finally ... 16 Hz. Still impressive for a $350 sub.




For those who are trying to figure out these graphs ... all you need to do is look at the number in the upper left hand corner - for example, the A2-300's 20 Hz graph - 93.011 dB is the level delivered at 20 Hz - and when there are 2 numbers, look at the second, or lower one, for SPL delivered at that frequency.

A2-300 Review: I tracked the variations in the bass response. In my room, there were bass bumps at 80 and 63Hz (+2-3dB, compared to 100Hz), while the bass response fell off gradually and smoothly below that, down to 31.5Hz. The levels at 25 and 20Hz were noticeably lower, both to the meter and to my ears.

I guess that's what a "flaky" radioshack spl meter gets ya.

[JasonR]

I don't think you are going to find the same lower end frequency response with the Aperion. Not to say it doesn't have an attractive apperance, because it does. If you are looking for below 20Hz performance, I don't think you'll find it with the Aperion where you will find it with the eD.

Me, I am willing to sacrafice looks for low end performance.

With the new Bravus 8D sub I expected it to do well. I wasn't disappointed - it rendered most of the sound potential of the scene. It didn't fully capture the tactile nature of the scene, however, and turning up the sub didn't do any better. It just doesn't go low enough to grab everything in the scene. What I did notice - and this is important - is that the sub also refrained from bottoming out on what it couldn't deliver. The Bravus 8D played what it could - and stopped where it needed to. That's a good design and one that many customers are going to appreciate.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ion-conclusion

[mdabb]

I would tell the OP that a subwoofer's job is quite an easy one and that there are many great subs out there. If he is looking for a smallish sub then the ED is not an option. If he is looking for a "furniture grade" finish, again that is -1 for the ED.

He could be happy with many subs out there. Anytime you are going with an "online only" manufacturer, that is taking a chance. Might be a chance you want to take, might not. If you are looking for an outright bass attack, a eight inch sub(s) is just not going to do that. He'll just have to figure out what best suits him.

also one thing to look out for is some subs are not all that musical so you might end up with a sub that you put into the trunk of your car and ride around with it. I think it's important to find a sub to "blend in" with your setup and not something that will destroy & mud up the sound. I also think a big mistake people do is go all out and buy a sub that is simply too much for their system. Just look out for people driving around "boomin". Going deep is one thing but outright output is another. If your into SPL, more power to you.

I say let everyone be happy with what they want and not worry about it so much. Different strokes for different folks !!!

OP to answer your question, no I haven't heard that sub but if it meets your criteria then it sounds like you don't have much to lose other than time. Try it, if it doesn't live up to what your looking for at least you'll know. I know appearance + performance was important to me.

The ED seems like it has plenty of output but guys I gotta admit, it has a face only a mother could love. (kidding guys ) Not sure if that is something the OP is looking for.

[ozzman]

Man iam having fun reading this.

Iam happy with my own subs.I never feel like i have to sell them,There good enough for me(clean and tight).I paid 550 Canadian for each one .

They state that they go to 24hz,But i scared LOL that someones going to whip out a chart. LOL
Please let me belive the specs It would break my heart to find out that my subs only go down to 35Hz or something like that

Love each day.

[mdabb]

Originally Posted by ozzman

Man iam i having fun reading this.

Iam happy with my own subs.I never feel like i have to sell them,There good enough for me.I paid 550 Canadian for each one .

They state that they go to 24hz,But i scared LOL that someones going to whip out a chart. LOL
Please let me belive the specs It would break my heart to find out that my subs only go down to 35Hz or something like that

Love each day.

I wouldn't worry about it. Once the sound goes below a certain frequency it becomes inaudible. I don't remember what that frequency is but it is felt rather than really heard. Sometimes that is important to people and sometimes it's not. For me personally it's a novelty.

What matters is do you like it ??? No one else ............
just tell them to jog on.

[ozzman]

Originally Posted by mdabb

I wouldn't worry about it. Once the sound goes below a certain frequency it becomes inaudible. I don't remember what that frequency is but it is felt rather than really heard. Sometimes that is important to people and sometimes it's not. For me personally it's a novelty.

What matters is do you like it ??? No one else ............
just tell them to jog on.

Oh For Sure Brother

I was just joking.

If i didn't like my subs i would of took them back and got a different make or model.I am very happy with them.My neighbors not so much

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/...-5-24.paradigm


But i never feel the need to really talk about them until someone asks about them.
The truth is it's like any other equipment you really have to hear it at home to get a real feel for something.That just my two cent.(but a good subwoofer is just that,a good subwoofer)

Would i be more happy with two A2-300 Probably just because i trust the people that are recommending them and they have there facts to back up there claim.

But for me that trust had to be built and learn who around here in the forum knew what they were talking about and find out the ones that talks out of there a*s,you know what i mean

But i have an Example i would like to share

I started a thread on recievers i got alot of good advise on the Marantz 7002(and rightly so.it's a good reciever) I bought it at a store not over the internet(which i belive is always a good choice unless you know for sure what your getting) ,So i had it for a week and it wasn't for me .

Personally i wanted a brighter reciever. so i got to bring it back to the store (no shipping fees) and replaced with the one i have now.

I really don't know where iam going with this but i think i have a point in there somewhere LOL

[hagar852]

Originally Posted by JasonR

I don't think you are going to find the same lower end frequency response with the Aperion. Not to say it doesn't have an attractive apperance, because it does. If you are looking for below 20Hz performance, I don't think you'll find it with the Aperion where you will find it with the eD.

Me, I am willing to sacrafice looks for low end performance.



http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ion-conclusion

No one was comparing these two subs against each other. It is pretty obvious that an 8 inch sub won't be producing low end bass.

If I were to compare them, I would compare their older model the Intimus S12 sub which can be had for the same price as the eD sub now.

[blu-ray-bob#1]

Originally Posted by hagar852

No one was comparing these two subs against each other. It is pretty obvious that an 8 inch sub won't be producing low end bass.

If I were to compare them, I would compare their older model the Intimus S12 sub which can be had for the same price as the eD sub now.

Yea and you can get it now and wont have to wait for it to be built! Again everyone has thier own brands they like for me it is Aperion.
Member those old arguments Chevy vs. Ford vs. Mopar? I had Mopar and Chevy now I drive Hyundia and Toyota. Points is at the end of the day they all get you to where you want to go. So if you like it thats all that counts. Sure if I wasnt married I probaly would have got a massive sub but at the end of the day my wife has to like its looks as well.

[ozzman]

Originally Posted by blu-ray-bob#1

Sure if I wasnt married I probaly would have got a massive sub but at the end of the day my wife has to like its looks as well.

Being married myself,i do know what you mean brother.
It has taken alot of work,me working her to have what i have today.But today i think she get's me.
I don't drink or use any type of drugs.Audio is my new hobby and she's letting me have it.She don't understand it.But she's understanding.
Belive me this didn't happen over night.
That would of been to easy

[PS3+HDDVD OWNER]

Originally Posted by ozzman

Being married myself,i do know what you mean brother.
It has taken alot of work,me working her to have what i have today.But today i think she get's me.
I don't drink or use any type of drugs.Audio is my new hobby and she's letting me have it.She don't understand it.But she's understanding.
Belive me this didn't happen over night.
That would of been to easy

Thats awesome that your wife is understanding of your home theater addiction! I've gotta pray my fiance' eventually lets me just do my thing when it comes to my home theater addiction! She doesn't get it either

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by hagar852

Take it up with the reviewer of the sub not me. He is the one that reviewed it and made his measurements. I don't know why you think I am the one making these claims.

You claimed something that is not to be found in said review, so it was your claim, not the reviewers. The claim was:

Originally Posted by hagar852

it may hit 18hz but not any where near the +/- 3db level.

Where in the review does the reviewer state that? Nowhere is the correct answer.

[hagar852]

eD claims 18hz @ +/- 3db

Review finds also supported by the charts about that roll off happens at 31.5hz and again at 25hz. Which the charts above support.

So 18hz @ +/- 3db's on the frequency graph is not achieved which is concluded by the findings.

I am not the one making this stuff up. It was also stated in the tower review also that I posted.

Also I want to repeat that I recommended the eD sub to my co-worker and told him the same wonderful things that you folks have posted about, and unfortunately it turned into a disaster for that person. So I became a little upset since I was the one that recommended that sub to him, when all his troubles happened.

Once again I am not disbuting the fact that eD makes a nice sub. I am disbuting that they aren't the only ones that do make a product at great value..

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by hagar852

eD claims 18hz @ +/- 3db

Review finds also supported by the charts about that roll off happens at 31.5hz and again at 25hz. Which the charts above support.

So 18hz @ +/- 3db's on the frequency graph is not achieved which is concluded by the findings.

I am not sure that you understand what "rolling off" means. A monitor with +/-1db rating may term a -2dB response as rolling off. In addition what someone tests in their home may be substantially different that what you test in an anechoic chamber. According to a friend, you cannot spend more than a few minutes in the anechoic chamber at Paradigm lest you risk going crazy from hearing your blood running all throughout your body...and not just the usual "pulsing in my ears" stuff.

What is the -dB response at 18Hz on the A2-300 based on the charts? This question is open to anyone.

[BR7]

I decided on the A2-300. I am getting a 46" Samsung in February.Then a month or two after that my Sound system gets a major upgrade, and I will be getting the Onkyo TX-SR606 along with the A2-300.Thanks again to all those who helped,it was appreciated

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by PS3+HDDVD OWNER

Thats awesome that your wife is understanding of your home theater addiction! I've gotta pray my fiance' eventually lets me just do my thing when it comes to my home theater addiction! She doesn't get it either

Man, I feel you on that. My wife said, and I quote 'those new speakers are too big. Can't we slide them back or something? It makes the living room look stupid.' But oh, she loves it when she's watching her shows and they sound so good mixed to 5.1.... Scary thing is she hasn't seen the A2-300 yet, which is going right next to my left front. Come on guys! Gotta keep your women in check! Otherwise it's all .

That being said, I'm going to catch pure hell when the A2-300 gets here. It's a good thing I have a good relationship with the neighbors.

[ozzman]

Originally Posted by BR7

I decided on the A2-300. I am getting a 46" Samsung in February.Then a month or two after that my Sound system gets a major upgrade, and I will be getting the Onkyo TX-SR606 along with the A2-300.Thanks again to all those who helped,it was appreciated

Congratulations Brother,I think you made a wise choice

Please share with us when you have it all hooked up but until then have fun sleeping comfortably without thinking about This awesome Sub thats coming your way. LOL

Merry Christmas

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Scary thing is she hasn't seen the A2-300 yet

I paid CDN$1750 on Boxing Day for my 15" Paradigm Servo 15v2.
It was a hairy couple of days until my wife started enjoying the way some of those scenes hitting 10Hz sounded from The Incredibles.
Two years later and sometimes she still comments that the sub is "stupid", but that's usually when she's gone to bed and I'm hammered and think it's a good idea to crank the scene in Unbreakable at the beginning when the train whizzes by.

Wait another few years when you bring home the A7-900 and see what she thinks then!!