Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell (1974) - May 19, 2020

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by dodgysteve

Why are you guys excited for some censored 93 minute version when the UK BD runs 94m 35s and the German runs 94m 49s (the extra 14s are German voice credits tacked on the end)?

I think you've misunderstood. I read it as excited they might have realised the Paramount masters aren't ideal, hence the delay.

[Nailwraps]

Extras revealed (still no word yet if both cuts are included):

https://www.shoutfactory.com/product...roduct_id=7365

"NEW Audio Commentary With Film Historian/Author Steve Haberman And Film Historian/Filmmaker Constantine Nasr
•NEW The Men Who Made Hammer: Roy Skeggs
•Audio Commentary With Actress Madeline Smith, Actor David Prowse, And Film Historian Jonathan Sothcott
•Theatrical Trailer
•Radio Spots"

[tangerinewolf]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

Extras revealed (still no word yet if both cuts are included):

https://www.shoutfactory.com/product...roduct_id=7365

No, SF's release only has the 93 minute cut.

[HuggyBear73]

Originally Posted by tangerinewolf

No, SF's release only has the 93 minute cut.

Think I'm gonna pass on this one with shorter cut and no new transfer.

I have the UK release.

[roy neary]

Also missing the two docs on the Region B disc: "Taking Over the Asylum" and "Charming Evil".

[capamerica224]

I rarely pay attention to the runtime on Shout's website, are they ever wrong? I have this pre-ordered through a buy 2/get 1 at Target but if it's cut I'm going to cancel my order.

[Nailwraps]

Originally Posted by HuggyBear73

Think I'm gonna pass on this one with shorter cut and no new transfer.

I have the UK release.

But then again, you'll have the R-Rated cut and the extras not on the 101 release.


Still, why would they not have the unrated cut (or the 101 extras) included?

[SpaceBlackKnight]

It's possible that Paramount won't allow Shout to use Hammer's transfer of the unrated cut, which could explain why SF didn't mention a new transfer or both cuts. Would be very odd if it were the case as Paramount is fine with Criterion using StudioCanal's 4k transfer for Elephant Man, though Paramount and Hammer may not be on good terms with each other like Universal and MK2 with Lost Highway (one of the other reasons KL weren't able to do a new scan for their blu, as MK2 has the OCN elements and wouldn't work with Universal who had an IP).

[oddbox83]

The issue could well be due to Paramount owning US rights, with the restored extended cut (and existing extras) belonging to Hammer themselves in the UK. Might be rights squabbles as per above, or just Shout not wanting to pay 2 sets of licencing fees for what they can release (albeit compromised) with just 1.

Still doesn't change the disappointing result for region A locked buyers.

[cannon1]

It's hard to see Shout releasing only the Paramount cut of 1974, with the most famous bit among others removed (Cushing holding stitches with his teeth), even given the running time indicated. Seems like they'd have to procure or provide a complete cut since the cat's already 'out of the bag' with as to what this is among the core buyers, even if their logo is ported over. Much like WB's using the UK cut of 'Taste the Blood of Dracula' when they finally released the DVD/Blu ray. I'm going to contact Shout and if it is the Paramount 1974 cut, cancel.

[CountYorgaRules]

From the conversations I'm seeing on the Hammer Horror on Blu-ray Facebook group it sounds like the Scream Factory Blu-ray might just be the cut Paramount version. It's not certain yet, but I'm sure glad I have that Icon Blu-ray.

[dml1988]

So am I basically set with my German Anolis copy I have for this film?

[EManT2200]

Originally Posted by tangerinewolf

No, SF's release only has the 93 minute cut.

Well, if it is 93 minutes, then it still has to be better than what I have. I have the Shock Video release from Australia, which shows 99 minutes, but it is actually only 90 min 37 seconds. So, it's the SF for me.

[CountYorgaRules]

Originally Posted by EManT2200

Well, if it is 93 minutes, then it still has to be better than what I have. I have the Shock Video release from Australia, which shows 99 minutes, but it is actually only 90 min 37 seconds. So, it's the SF for me.

Is this because of frame speed or something like that? The Shock Video release is reportedly uncut and licensed from Hammer.

[cannon1]

Originally Posted by CountYorgaRules

From the conversations I'm seeing on the Hammer Horror on Blu-ray Facebook group it sounds like the Scream Factory Blu-ray might just be the cut Paramount version. It's not certain yet, but I'm sure glad I have that Icon Blu-ray.

Yeah, glad I have mine(Australian Shock), though I wish it was 1080P, rather than 1080i. This is one I'll almost have to see to believe them using the cut version from Paramount. With Shouts experience with these titles they must have somebody(s) who takes a hard look at running times, the various editions and their idiosyncrasies..what's wanted and not wanted among the fan base. Too I'm only assuming Paramount wouldn't still have the old bits removed to restore. I sent a question on this to Shouts' general contact address...so we'll see on that. One would think Paramount's only requirement for a US release is that it has the Paramount logo, otherwise Shout would probably tell Paramount specically what they are looking for (i.e. something considered uncut)...or else why bother with it?

[EManT2200]

Originally Posted by CountYorgaRules

Is this because of frame speed or something like that? The Shock Video release is reportedly uncut and licensed from Hammer.

Well, guess I need to check that. Be right back.

[oddbox83]

Shock version is uncut with PAL speed up as it’s 50i. I used to own it and upgraded to the UK release which is 24p.

[EManT2200]

Originally Posted by CountYorgaRules

Is this because of frame speed or something like that? The Shock Video release is reportedly uncut and licensed from Hammer.

Could this speedup account for about 8.5 minutes as the case claims 99 minutes, but the runtime is actually 90min 37sec, the video shows as being 1080/50P ?

[CountYorgaRules]

Originally Posted by EManT2200

Could this speedup account for about 8.5 minutes as the case claims 99 minutes, but the runtime is actually 90min 37sec, the video shows as being 1080/50P ?

I've never seen a version of this film that ran even close to 99 minutes.

[EManT2200]

Originally Posted by CountYorgaRules

I've never seen a version of this film that ran even close to 99 minutes.

Don't know, simply saying, on the back of the case it shows 99 minutes for each, the blu and the dvd. I guess it's just a misprint, that's all. Hope that the SF will be the full version.