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Old 10-23-2021, 03:38 AM   #141
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Old 10-23-2021, 04:50 AM   #142
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When I read early reviews of this mentioning the gore, it really turned me off. I liked the character driven nature of the 2018 film and the different effects the original Halloween had on different characters. Even some of the more graphic scenes contrasted character attachment to the original events versus the elusiveness behind what drives Michael. I’m afraid Kills won’t use the gore in the same way, and I’m not sure I’ll watch it for that reason. I’m not really into gore for gore’s sake.
Kills definitely throws out being character driven and ups the gore factor instead with mostly expendable characters. It feels less like a fully fleshed out story-line and more like a place holder until the third film with some set pieces to pad out the running time. It has some good moments, but definitely is not in the same league as 2018.
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Old 10-23-2021, 12:38 PM   #143
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Kills definitely throws out being character driven and ups the gore factor instead with mostly expendable characters. It feels less like a fully fleshed out story-line and more like a place holder until the third film with some set pieces to pad out the running time. It has some good moments, but definitely is not in the same league as 2018.
Highly disagree. 2018 suffers big time from all of the character development being cut from the movie and scenes being reordered; the first two acts have some of the worst pacing in the franchise and it doesn’t really flow well until the third act. Then there are technical flaws, like the piss-poor editing (and H5 finally being dethroned for having the worst ADR flubs in the series lol). It has more love put into it than a lot of other entries, sure, but imo, makes a much better “part one” than it does a stand-alone film.
Kills is fast-paced, but it feels way more consistent and does a much better job of making one/two-scene characters likable before they’re inevitably killed, the humor is way more appropriately timed, the kills themselves are much better, the cinematography is leagues above 2018 (though not without flaws), and the movie itself is way more emotional. I don’t get the complaints that it has “no plot;” it has a lot of plot, it just doesn’t push the “Laurie vs Michael” narrative forward. The dialogue is definitely worse, though. I’ll give 2018 that much haha

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Old 10-23-2021, 03:46 PM   #144
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(and H5 finally being dethroned for having the worst ADR flubs in the series lol)
That's impossible.
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Old 10-24-2021, 01:00 AM   #145
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Old 10-24-2021, 03:18 AM   #146
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This movie was messy entertaining. Sort of like TDKR.

It feels like all I want to do is talk bad about it, but I enjoyed it enough.

Beyond some kind of sheer entertainment value, I don't like Green's two movies that much when I put thought into them.

For Kills:

-I like the flashback scene.

It's pretty well done....I think it's my favorite scene from the Green movies.

-I thought the gay couple was a highlight of the film. The first enjoyable characters in these two movies. The humor didn't seem to drag things down for me like it did some people.

-I enjoyed Kyle Richards and Charles Cyphers.

But, the movie is mostly gore porn. It lacks atmosphere, the pacing isn't good and the dialogue isn't good. They should have cast Gerard Butler to play Tommy Doyle because hammy dialogue fits him.

This movie can't stand on its own. It doesn't feel like it has a real beginning... Nor a real ending. I know that it's part of a trilogy, but it isn't like we haven't had them before... But usually it feels like each movie can stand on its own to some degree. Not here.

The mob in the hospital scene was idiotic:

[Show spoiler]Why do the morons believe that the Danny Devito sized mental patient
could be Michael Myers?


These movies take from sequels that the filmmakers want us to forget even happened. It's nonsense.

The 2018 film also has poor pacing, little tension and the lack of stalk and slash in these movies is annoying.

Ranking:

Halloween (1978)
Halloween II (1981)
Halloween 4 (1988)
Halloween: H20 (1998)

Halloween 6 (1995)
Halloween 5 (1989)
Halloween III (1982)

Halloween Kills (2021)
Halloween (2018)

Halloween (2007)
Halloween Resurrection (2002)
Halloween (2009)
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Old 10-24-2021, 08:07 AM   #147
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Highly disagree. 2018 suffers big time from all of the character development being cut from the movie and scenes being reordered; the first two acts have some of the worst pacing in the franchise and it doesn’t really flow well until the third act. Then there are technical flaws, like the piss-poor editing (and H5 finally being dethroned for having the worst ADR flubs in the series lol). It has more love put into it than a lot of other entries, sure, but imo, makes a much better “part one” than it does a stand-alone film.
Kills is fast-paced, but it feels way more consistent and does a much better job of making one/two-scene characters likable before they’re inevitably killed, the humor is way more appropriately timed, the kills themselves are much better, the cinematography is leagues above 2018 (though not without flaws), and the movie itself is way more emotional. I don’t get the complaints that it has “no plot;” it has a lot of plot, it just doesn’t push the “Laurie vs Michael” narrative forward. The dialogue is definitely worse, though. I’ll give 2018 that much haha
Disagree on most of your H18 comments, but spot on with Halloween Kills. Creating actual likable characters whom you root for when they go up against Michael, really did up the impact when he brutally tears them apart. That makes Kills a really effective slasher movie period.
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Old 10-24-2021, 08:21 AM   #148
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I think I'll stick with the standard release over the steelbook. I dig the artwork of the steelbook but I don't like the red coloring. If it were in orange I would buy it. But at least the standard has orange and Michael's face in a similar way as the standard H'18 release. So it'll feel like I'm keeping with some sort of collection continuity.

As for the movie itself, it was way better than H'18. But that's not saying much.
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Old 10-24-2021, 08:23 AM   #149
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Went to see it a 2nd time yesterday, definitely one of the best sequels.
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Old 10-24-2021, 04:08 PM   #150
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I just watched this last night. The dialogue is horrible. Anthony Michael Hall’s performance just wasn’t convincingly delivered for me. The mob idea makes sense, but it was poorly executed to me. For all that was happening, I never really felt the tension or angst of the town or the individual encounters. The hospital mob scenes lacked a rawness that I would have wanted to see.I’m also a fan of the less graphic kill style. I like letting the audience imagine what must have happened more so than witnessing it. I generally think that modern movies reveal too much and miss out on the power of tapping into the audiences ability to imagine certain events. The humor was definitely better, and they did establish the 1/2 scene victims better. I enjoyed Big John and Little John by far the most out of the new characters. The music was also great.

I’m not a horror film or slasher buff, so I’m not the target audience. However, I do enjoy the original Halloween and other more psychological horror type movies. As a result, this movie was ok to watch for me, but I’m glad it came free with my Xfinity subscription because I probably wouldn’t buy it. I’ll look forward to seeing what Halloween Ends has in store, but I didn’t enjoy the execution of this movie. I think the premise could have worked, but like a lot of the movies I’ve watched streamed in the past year, WW84, Reminiscence, and Malignant, it was poorly executed and failed to get me engrossed in the world I was watching.
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Old 10-24-2021, 09:45 PM   #151
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Watched it on Peacock last night. Absolutely cringe worthy script and acting. I did enjoy a few kills, but the story is just silly af. I’ll stick with the original and part two for my Halloween viewing pleasure.
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Old 10-25-2021, 08:58 AM   #152
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[Show spoiler]I kept seeing people use spoiler, and then I saw someone explain how to do spoiler... so I wanted to try it.
I liked the movie a lot, and definitely look forward to Halloween Ends. Already pre-ordered the standard Blu-ray off Gruv. The Halloween franchise is my all time favorite horror franchise. Does it have it's flaws? Yes, but they're so much fun to watch.
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Watched it on Peacock last night. Absolutely cringe worthy script and acting. I did enjoy a few kills, but the story is just silly af. I’ll stick with the original and part two for my Halloween viewing pleasure.
I watched it a second time last night. Ooof. The first time I walked out thinking "This was better than H'18." (I found H'18 to be dreadful) but after this second viewing, it's still better than H'18, but on its own it's just atrocious. Two terrible movies in a row.

I can't wait for this dogshit trilogy to be over with. I'm more interested in what comes next than I am for Halloween Ends. Just get it over with already.

Btw, I found the music in Kills to be rather shit. It's a VERY weak score by John Carpenter and Co. Normally Carpenter does some amazing work but H'18 was very underwhelming and HK was straight up garbage.
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I was perfectly fine with the lack of character development in this film. It’s an extension of the night from Halloween ’18, so a lot of that stuff had already been established for the characters that matter. My complaint is that for a trilogy of films which aims to bring Michael back to being ‘just a man’, I was expected by the filmmakers to suspend my disbelief -way- too much. Michael seemed superhuman and that kind of left me scratching my head. Other than that, I had a pretty good time watching him do his thing and can’t wait to see what comes next.
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I was perfectly fine with the lack of character development in this film. It’s an extension of the night from Halloween ’18, so a lot of that stuff had already been established for the characters that matter.
I thought it was weird that Allyson and Cameron came together in this film as if anything earlier in the night didn't happen.

Don't get me wrong, a crazed murderer is a much more important topic of conversation than that of high school relationship drama, but I guess Cameron sobered up and there wasn't any forgiveness begged of on either side. I think there were good opportunities (for the sake of story/character) for them to just bring that up again. Otherwise, the scene and moment in 2018 happened for no reason other than writing a way to split them apart.
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I thought it was weird that Allyson and Cameron came together in this film as if anything earlier in the night didn't happen.

Don't get me wrong, a crazed murderer is a much more important topic of conversation than that of high school relationship drama, but I guess Cameron sobered up and there wasn't any forgiveness begged of on either side. I think there were good opportunities (for the sake of story/character) for them to just bring that up again. Otherwise, the scene and moment in 2018 happened for no reason other than writing a way to split them apart.
The shooting script adressed this but the movie cut it all out.
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Cant wait for this, amazing sequel. Score is fantastic, hope Ends wont be delayed.
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I hope they include deleted scenes.
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I thought it was weird that Allyson and Cameron came together in this film as if anything earlier in the night didn't happen.

Don't get me wrong, a crazed murderer is a much more important topic of conversation than that of high school relationship drama, but I guess Cameron sobered up and there wasn't any forgiveness begged of on either side. I think there were good opportunities (for the sake of story/character) for them to just bring that up again. Otherwise, the scene and moment in 2018 happened for no reason other than writing a way to split them apart.
[Show spoiler]He chases after her and says, "I'm so sorry, I just want to help in any way I can, okay?" Her dad was just brutally murdered, I don't think she cares about her phone anymore. Besides, I don't think the movie necessarily says they're a couple again just that what he says is enough for her to put things aside and join him on a Michael Myers hunt.
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I thought it was weird that Allyson and Cameron came together in this film as if anything earlier in the night didn't happen.

Don't get me wrong, a crazed murderer is a much more important topic of conversation than that of high school relationship drama, but I guess Cameron sobered up and there wasn't any forgiveness begged of on either side. I think there were good opportunities (for the sake of story/character) for them to just bring that up again. Otherwise, the scene and moment in 2018 happened for no reason other than writing a way to split them apart.
People REALLY need to stop acting like Cameron was sneaking around Alyson’s back having another relationship with someone else, banging them, lying to her, etc. He was drunk at a school dance - a girl leaned in for a kiss and he backed away - he didn’t actively make out with her or grind with her on the dance floor or screw her behind the bleachers. Not to mention he and Alyson JUST started dating. If you people qualify that as cheating I have no idea what life experience you have had because that is LITERALLY NOTHING.

Alyson was upset in the heat of the moment but looking at this realistically that entire incident would be something they would laugh off later. And if people think that an incident like that would be the end of a relationship then it makes me question any real relationships you may have had.

People are human, they make mistakes, and what Cameron did was a silly little screw up. He’s a 17-18 year old boy in high school, like what do you expect? I’m shocked the whole thing has vilified him so much amongst Halloween fans, it’s really stupid.
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