Poll: Should Sony use DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD?

[BIslander]

I also voted that it doesn't matter. To me, personally, it doesn't. But, if I had a 7.1 system, I'd vote to keep TrueHD. I don't think 5.1 tracks should be forced to 7.1 using channel duplication, which is happening with many DTS-HD player decoders. I think it's better to let 5.1 play as 5.1 or to let the user select a DSP that matrixes the surrounds to the rears.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by CraigW

NOOOOO! That would be a waste of dataspace and BW. When given a choice, use ONE of the lossless delivery streams over PCM. Never use a combination of the choices.

From what I've read (not sure if it's true or not) most films don't even fill the full 50gb disc even with features. They average around 40 or less... Like I said, I don't know if that's true or not, but there should be enough space for 2 lossless tracks (even though it's overkill and might hurt bandwidth).

[trans22]

Originally Posted by ADstv

Transporter 3 (Region B) sounded awesome and it was a TrueHD track. Now I haven't compared to the DTS-MA (Region A) but I wouldn't really advantage one over another (Ok maybe 7.1 vs 5.1) but still wouldnt trade it for a DTS-MA copy. Most sources depends on the master it was sourced from. Even for Spiderman 3 once I turned the TrueHD a few dB up from the PCM track and compared one another, I actually found there was hardly no difference. Now at the end its the extra stuff like Dialnorm and DRC on the TrueHD that can fiddle how receivers handle the codec. Still not too happy with the Ironman issue with the DRC defaulted to On and have to manually change it all the time (I have a Onkyo Receiver). Still I do favour the DTS-MA track over the TrueHD... maybe it just years of habit with looking at covers and seeing a DTS logo on the case means it sounds better. Really I think its just in the mind.

I personally thought the DTS-HD MA tracks on TRANSPORTER 1&2 WERE superior to the TRUEHD on TRANSPORTER 3 UK disc.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by trans22

I personally thought the DTS-HD MA tracks on TRANSPORTER 1&2 WERE superior to the TRUEHD on TRANSPORTER 3 UK disc.

Why not compare something with the same mix and decide? You can't compare 2 different movies and say one codec is better than the other. I remember one person saying DTS-HD MA is better because of a frequency sweep heard in Live Free or Die Hard compared to one heard in Transformers. They're completely different mixes. They're completely different sound effects.

[trans22]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Well I suppose they could've made a decission to use both audio codecs...

Using both codecs seems pretty pointless, 2 lossless tracks would probably use more space than the uncompressed PCM.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by trans22

Using both codecs seems pretty pointless, 2 lossless tracks would probably use more space than the uncompressed PCM.

Please read what else I said on the matter.

[trans22]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Why not compare something with the same mix and decide? You can't compare 2 different movies and say one codec is better than the other. I remember one person saying DTS-HD MA is better because of a frequency sweep heard in Live Free or Die Hard compared to one heard in Transformers. They're completely different mixes. They're completely different sound effects.

I sent a copy of the australian TRUEHD disc of THE INCREDIBLE HULK to CEMBROS but he hasn't compared it to the DTS version yet, he'll probably report his findings soon.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by trans22

I sent a copy of the australian TRUEHD disc of THE INCREDIBLE HULK to CEMBROS but he hasn't compared it to the DTS version yet, he'll probably report his findings soon.

Are they the same bitdepth and from the same master? They should be but I don't know if they are.

[Scorxpion]

Warner Watchmen is in DTSHD master audio and The next one will be Lord of the Rings triology.I will owned this boxset from the first day.first purchase and first Buyer.

http://www.dvdfile.com/news/article/...erbeasto-79755

"We have received final specs for Warner's 3 November Blu-ray Disc release of The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. The good news is that the films will arrive with 1080p transfers and DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio sound mixes"

Now jump on me and say this decision is made because the director want this Lossless and not Warner.There is something hidden in DTSHD master audio to be slightly better than it's counterpart.

i will prepare a clear Statement and post to answer all of you who called me a fanboyism or a person which doesnt understood or differentiate Lossless from one to another.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

Warner Watchmen is in DTSHD master audio and The next one will be Lord of the Rings triology.I will owned this boxset from the first day.first purchase and first Buyer.

http://www.dvdfile.com/news/article/...erbeasto-79755

"We have received final specs for Warner's 3 November Blu-ray Disc release of The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. The good news is that the films will arrive with 1080p transfers and DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio sound mixes"

Now jump on me and say this decision is made because the director want this Lossless and not Warner.There is something hidden in DTSHD master audio to be slightly better than it's counterpart.

i will prepare a clear Statement and post to answer all of you who called me a fanboyism or a person which doesnt understood or differentiate Lossless from one to another.

Again, as I said earlier, these are business decissions. IT DOES NOT PROVE THAT DTS-HD MA IS BETTER THAN DOLBY TRUEHD. And I will say that you don't understand the lossless codecs if you honestly believe that DTS has something hidden in their audio tracks.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

There is something hidden in DTSHD master audio to be slightly better than it's counterpart.

Are you saying that DTS is not lossless, that something hidden in the encoder changes the original PCM?

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Again, as I said earlier, these are business decissions. IT DOES NOT PROVE THAT DTS-HD MA IS BETTER THAN DOLBY TRUEHD. And I will say that you don't understand the lossless codecs if you honestly believe that DTS has something hidden in their audio tracks.

if DTS has "something hidden" then it is NOT lossless audio, NOT a faithful recreation of the original master, and NOT what DTS advertises it to be.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

if DTS has "something hidden" then it is NOT lossless audio, NOT a faithful recreation of the original master, and NOT what DTS advertises it to be.

I took what he said as "DTS has something hidden to make it more identical to the PCM master," I didn't even think about him meaning that it has something hidden to make it better.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I took what he said as "DTS has something hidden to make it more identical to the PCM master," I didn't even think about him meaning that it has something hidden to make it better.

Well, since it all appears to be fantasy, who knows what it means.

[ganthc]

Yeah, there is nothing hidden. It has a higher bitrate or it might be 24 bit master versus a 16 bit master if it was with TrueHD. But I am happy that it is in 7.1 DTS-HDMA. I am looking forward to LOTR.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by ganthc

Yeah, there is nothing hidden. It has a higher bitrate or it might be 24 bit master versus a 16 bit master if it was with TrueHD. But I am happy that it is in 7.1 DTS-HDMA. I am looking forward to LOTR.

But even with that it only has the higher bitrate because of the core.

[aygie]

My god please close this thread. Seriously.

[ganthc]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

But even with that it only has the higher bitrate because of the core.

Well, it's too bad that most bd players don't come with DD+ decoders, because then they could let TrueHD have a 1.5mbps core.

[trans22]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

if DTS has "something hidden" then it is NOT lossless audio, NOT a faithful recreation of the original master, and NOT what DTS advertises it to be.

who cares as long as it sounds good

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by trans22

who cares as long as it sounds good

Actually, I care. I'd rather not have someone altering tracks to what they think "sounds good." That's like saying to the original sound designer/mixer that their work wasn't good enough in the first place.