Netflix's "That '90s Show" (Season 1)

[Naiera]

There’s plenty to Ozzie except for him being gay, especially compared to how paper-thin most of the other characters are. Doesn’t mean I didn’t love the show.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Ozzie mentions he's gay less often than Leia mentions she finds Jay hot, or Nate mentions he's into Nickie. If you only complain about one, but not the others... it feels far more like a personal bias than anything else.

Either way, finishing this series, I ended up really enjoying it. I thought the new cast did great, especially considering so many of them are only like 15 on average. I really hope we get more.

[cricepng]

I'm only through the second episode. Ozzie right now is by far the most one dimensional character. None of them are as good of characters as we had by this time in That 70's Show.

And why should you be concerned about what I complain about? BTW everyone has biases. It's one of the things that helps us form unique opinions about media.

[j_sazin]

Originally Posted by cricepng

None of them are as good of characters as we had by this time in That 70's Show.

Hate to break it to you, but two episodes into That 70s Show, the cast was very much the same. There was no real depth to them.

People seem to misremember this show more than any it seems. Even through the entire series run, the characters were very cringeworthy.

[Naiera]

“By this time”? Ten episodes into a late-90s sitcom? Nah…

[j_sazin]

Originally Posted by Naiera

“By this time”? Ten episodes into a late-90s sitcom? Nah…

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by mrr1

This sort of thing pisses me off.

I wish that writers who create a gay character would write a good character first, then make them gay.

Making someone "gay" isn't making a character.

It's not hard. But they sure have a hard time doing it.

Originally Posted by cricepng

Agreed. It's already tiresome just two episodes into the show for us. It's lazy writing and doesn't require any real ability on the actor's part. It's as if the creator and writers just want to check the 'gay-character' box off their list rather than giving the audience a gay character with whom they can feel some level of connection.

First off dont go there. Ozzie did not mention he was gay 1500x like Leia mentioned she had it for Jay. Ozzie is the new Fez he was well rounded and you knew what his motivations were. I actually found it hilarious when he was checking out Nikis tutor.

Not to mention he would pretend to be into something then the cold facial expressions were great.

Ozzie was the BEST of the new Characters.

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by R3P0

First off dont go there. Ozzie did not mention he was gay 1500x like Leia mentioned she had it for Jay. Ozzie is the new Fez he was well rounded and you knew what his motivations were. I actually found it hilarious when he was checking out Nikis tutor.

Not to mention he would pretend to be into something then the cold facial expressions were great.

Ozzie was the BEST of the new Characters.

I will go wherever I want. The 4th episode was about mostly him wanting to come out to Kitty.

I will admit that Leia's fixation with kissing Jake was getting to be too much too. Not enough character depth for any of the new gang in my opinion. I've made it through the 6th episode and hope that she can move on now that

[Show spoiler] she kissed him

but I doubt the writers are that talented.

I do wish they would have brought on older actors to play the teenagers. It is done all of the time. I don't see the talent being developed in this group. That combined with lack of character depth and poor writing is what contributes to this seeming like a Disney Channel show with a little marijuana use thrown in.

[Jay H.]

[BudBaxter]

The kid who plays Ozzie basically played exactly the same sarcastic character in Nickelodeon's Side Hustle (except being a Nic show, they never mentioned his sexuality).

But hey, it's early days, & if it gets a second season there's plenty of time for all of them to grow as characters (& actors).

I'm rewatching the first season of the original at the moment &, 18 episodes in, Kelso has precisely one dimension: He's a horny idiot. That's it. I like the original characters more than the new ones, sure, but let's not pretend there was a great deal of depth to them all at the start.

[cricepng]

I think it would be hard to rewatch the original series and be unbiased in assessing the early dimensionality of the characters because they are already established in my mind.

[BillieCassin]

I never really watched the original (I've seen maybe 2-3 episodes ever, though I am passingly familiar with the characters just from general pop culture) - but I really did enjoy this one. I hope it gets more episodes. It's nice to have a fun, nostalgic show - plus, since I was about their age in the 90's, it's also very enjoyable on that level.

[cricepng]

Too bad the original cast wouldn't have been old enought to have older teenage kids for a That 80's Show instead of a That 90's Show. I think the 80's has a greater identity than the 90's.

Having been in middle and high school in the 80's and college and early marriage in the 90's, there isn't a lot about the 90's that stands out except maybe grunge and a few movies. The 80's had more defined fashion and music. You were still in the Cold War. While you DARE still existed in the 90's (with Leia wearing a shirt in the early episodes), it's heyday was the 80's with Reagan's war on drugs.

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by cricepng

Too bad the original cast wouldn't have been old enought to have older teenage kids for a That 80's Show instead of a That 90's Show. I think the 80's has a greater identity than the 90's.

Having been in middle and high school in the 80's and college and early marriage in the 90's, there isn't a lot about the 90's that stands out except maybe grunge and a few movies. The 80's had more defined fashion and music. You were still in the Cold War. While you DARE still existed in the 90's (with Leia wearing a shirt in the early episodes), it's heyday was the 80's with Reagan's war on drugs.

Fox already tried That '80s Show. It was awful, and was mercifully cancelled after a few episodes.

[cricepng]

Living overseas, I totally missed that one. Looking on IMDB it looks like it was an entirely new cast. Looks like it was doomed for failure.

[Pondosinatra]

Danny Masterson is in it right?

No he raped a bunch of women!

But he was acquitted...

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

Fox already tried That '80s Show. It was awful, and was mercifully cancelled after a few episodes.

Found a few video clips of That 80's Show online. Looks horrible. Moving it to San Diego with no returning cast was a horrible decision.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Danny Masterson is in it right?

No he raped a bunch of women!

He was nowhere near being aquitted when the show was being developed or filmed.

And they still should never, ever put him in it because obviously he’s a huge piece of shit.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by cricepng

I will go wherever I want.

Oh shit we’re dealing with a total badass here.

[Naiera]

Your whataboutism is lame and you forget the timeline of events I pointed out to you. I don't think any more time should be spent on this. He's not going to be on the show.