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[phloyd]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

I disagree. I would fully expect a Blu-ray player to look 'better' than an HD DVD player when that BD player is playing back a BD-50 disc that is encoded to take advantage of the higher BD mux rate and peak bitrate, which HD DVD cannot achieve.

How likely is it that you will ever see that?

It is possible with Paramount using MPEG2 and VC-1 so that the encodes will be slightly different.

But really their quality control will be at fault if the HD DVD release looks any worse than the Bluray of the same title assuming they aim for transparency to the master.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by phloyd

How likely is it that you will ever see that?

I didn't say anything about likely, I just said I would expect it to be different assuming tweaked bitrates for BD

It is possible with Paramount using MPEG2 and VC-1 so that the encodes will be slightly different.

That's a given, but we're talking about the same codecs

But really their quality control will be at fault if the HD DVD release looks any worse than the Bluray of the same title assuming they aim for transparency to the master.

They could be aiming for transparency, but that doesn't mean it can be achieved at lower bitrates. It doesn't even mean it can be achieved at the higher BD bitrates. The question is, how or why would you not expect better PQ at higher bitrates, however likely or unlikely it may be to happen?

I don't know about you, but I am sure that there has to be at the very least one studio out there, big or small, that would like to take advantage of the larger capacity and higher bitrates of BD. Isn't that what DVD releases from the likes of Criterion and Superbit releases have been about all these years, maximising the technology? Why would it not occur for Blu-ray?

[phloyd]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

The question is, how or why would you not expect better PQ at higher bitrates, however likely or unlikely it may be to happen?

If a different encode was done with the same codec at different bitrates, I would expect that you might notice a difference.

But back here in the real world, Warner is going to use the same encode for both formats... there is no reward for them to spend the extra $$$ to do a new encode.

I don't know about you, but I am sure that there has to be at the very least one studio out there, big or small, that would like to take advantage of the larger capacity and higher bitrates of BD. Isn't that what DVD releases from the likes of Criterion and Superbit releases have been about all these years, maximising the technology? Why would it not occur for Blu-ray?

Maybe one day.

I stand by what I said - in the real world, we should not expect Bluray to look better than HD DVD.

Our only hope for it to do so is Disney and Fox with high bitrate H.264 encodes. The trailers for Pirates and Pearl Harbor do look very good.

It is ok for them to exceed my expectations

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by phloyd

If a different encode was done with the same codec at different bitrates, I would expect that you might notice a difference.

But back here in the real world, Warner is going to use the same encode for both formats... there is no reward for them to spend the extra $$$ to do a new encode.

I agree

Maybe one day.

I stand by what I said - in the real world, we should not expect Bluray to look better than HD DVD.

Unless someone does put out a tweaked BD version, in the real world.

Our only hope for it to do so is Disney and Fox with high bitrate H.264 encodes.

I sure hope that happens. Given that Fox usually does good DVD transfers and they are only doing Blu-ray, it's a possibility for sure, I would think.

It is ok for them to exceed my expectations