360 add on may be good afer all.

[JTK]

^^ Great post!


Maybe it's different this time, but in the history of console videogaming, any kind of add on has usually been an abysmal failure: Genesis 32X, Sega CD, a lot of Nintendo's peripherals, etc. etc.


For the sake of HD adoption, I'm certainly not rooting against the thing, but I just don't see it hitting anywhere close to PS3 like numbers...ever.

Certainly not anytime for the forseeable future, at least.

100,000-200,000? I don't know. I have a hard time seeing those kinds of numbers, at least anytime real soon.

[ProvenFlipper]

Originally Posted by JTK

Maybe it's different this time, but in the history of console videogaming, any kind of add on has usually been an abysmal failure: Genesis 32X, Sega CD, a lot of Nintendo's peripherals, etc. etc.

This is the key point... Add-ons historically don't do well at all, and I highly doubt that the 360 add-on will change that. Outside of AVS, I don't think there is much hype/knowledge on the 360 add-on. I've never heard any customers talking about the 360 add-on at Best Buy, just everyday I hear people talking about how they will get a PS3 to watch BD movies until prices of standalones drop.

[theknub]

PF and Brian give us an insight to the consumers mind simply because they work with them all day. the rest of us can speculate, but have no real clue what the normal consumer has in their head. even the guys wtih high end shops don't know because they don't have an avg consumer in there.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by JTK

Maybe it's different this time, but in the history of console videogaming, any kind of add on has usually been an abysmal failure: Genesis 32X, Sega CD, a lot of Nintendo's peripherals, etc. etc.

It goes both ways. In the history of console videogaming, only (perhaps) the Japanese have made any serious use of the box as a movie disc player.

We are expecting the PS/3 to be different because of its capabilities.

Originally Posted by JTK

For the sake of HD adoption, I'm certainly not rooting against the thing, but I just don't see it hitting anywhere close to PS3 like numbers...ever.

PS/3 unit numbers? Not even close, after after about 5 minutes of PS/3 release . But, as I said, what matters for BD movies is whether there are comparable usage numbers.

Another factor:

- PS/3 as a BD player. A certain number of people are thinking of the PS/3 as a cheap entry point into BD, even if they aren't all that interested in the gaming.

It's possible that given comparable performance to the Toshiba HD DVD players (i.e. not all that great, but adequate) the PS/3 will get sales where many people wouldn't expected.

I know the HD DVD dealer Value Electronics is now pushing XBox 360 and add-ons. So, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Sony retailers could start selling PS/3 as BD players.

Gary

[ProvenFlipper]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I know the HD DVD dealer Value Electronics is now pushing XBox 360 and add-ons. So, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Sony retailers could start selling PS/3 as BD players.

Gary

I know for sure when PS3 becomes relatively easy to come by, I will mention it as a BD player in my sales. I will show people the standalone eqiupment first then if they think it's too expensive... PS3 here we come.

On the flipside, I can already see what is going to happen if the X360 is offered as a solution... Husband and wife speaking here...

Husband: "You mean I have to buy both of those pieces to watch the movie?
Me: Yes sir, both of them will be necessary.
Wife: "Does it come in any other color, because the white doesn't match"
Me: No, only in the white so far.
Husband and Wife: We'll just take the PS3...

Keep in mind too... people are falling in the hype/marketing behind 1080p sets and HDMI, both of which X360 fails to deliver to most customers.

[ProvenFlipper]

http://www.ebgames.com/ReadReviews.a...duct_id=802558

Look at all of the FUD and misinformation that has reached these poor consumers...

[theknub]

i actually felt sick after reading about 10 comments

[JTK]

Originally Posted by ProvenFlipper

http://www.ebgames.com/ReadReviews.a...duct_id=802558

Look at all of the FUD and misinformation that has reached these poor consumers...

Those have always been notorious and right down there with Gamefaqs.com forums.

That makes Amazon's user reviews look like Shakespeare and contrast.

You really can't go much lower than that dreck. It's even more pointless to allow people to write in about stuff before it's even released.

[BTBuck1]

this guy brings up an excellent point from AVS forums:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lampert

I'm an HD DVD fan, but I can think of one issue that makes the poll suspect, which favors Blu-ray. People voting on a poll that they will buy the add-on is very easy. Pulling out the credit card or cash can be much more difficult for some of those voters. Blu-ray, OTOH, is already there so there is no additional barrier preventing an owner from getting on board (other than buying discs).

original thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=747786

[JTK]

^^ Exactly right. That's one of many variables at play here that makes me believe that the HD-DVD add on may do fairly well, but it's not going to come close to PS3 numbers.

EDIT: Saw your post on the last page Gary. Good stuff!