More from Michael Bay

[Huge Knuts]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

The thing you want to learn can only be learn when you are there in the studio with him.

So while in the studio with him he is able to see how different the movie would look on blu ray vs HD DVD?

It seems like he is sure that HD DVD and its spec was the result of a movie not equal to what he wanted, and that something that BD has which HD DVD does not would net a different/better result.

I want to know what that is and if thats true. The Science.

I really want to know if Michael bay has any merrit to his comments

He must have some experience or technical proof to back up his comment. I am actually surprised no one else is curious about this.

[turboedguy]

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

So while in the studio with him he is able to see how different the movie would look on blu ray vs HD DVD?

It seems like he is sure that HD DVD and its spec was the result of a movie not equal to what he wanted, and that something that BD has which HD DVD does not would net a different/better result.

I want to know what that is and if thats true. The Science.

I really want to know if Michael bay has any merrit to his comments

He must have some experience or technical proof to back up his comment. I am actually surprised no one else is curious about this.

Better codec with higher bitrates will yeild more information flow and a better picture. Blu-ray also has more room for better Audio as well.

HD DVD disc space limitations have drawbacks, belive it or not.

[L or S of Perfect?]

Just look at my screen name for my opinion on the matter.

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

Curious...first post and everything, but I honestly want to understand something from the point of view of people who know BD very well.

Can anyone expain to me the science around this statement from Michael Bay?

"My films finished in Blu-Ray are better - more true." - Michael Bay

What does "more true" mean and what specifically from a technical point of view would net a the movie to look "more true"?

I believe that what he means is that it will look more like the master. With Transformers that may mean that the BD will retain more of the film grain which is present in the master (since one thing that can get difficult at lower bitrates is retaining the film grain correctly), so some who like closer to the video look may not like it as much, but it may be more true to the source.

--Darin

[Huge Knuts]

Originally Posted by turboedguy

Better codec with higher bitrates will yeild more information flow and a better picture. Blu-ray also has more room for better Audio as well.

HD DVD disc space limitations have drawbacks, belive it or not.

I have heard this many times, but just dont see it on a constant basis. I also have to wonder if Michael knows it could be more true because of higher bit rates.

I have a professionally calibrate top of the line display and watching both formats on a regular basis. Higher bit rates dont seem to automatical yield a better picture every time. Do you think I am wrong?

Are you saying Michael is saying that his movie does not look "more true" becuase of bit rate?

BTW I am not talking about audio because Michaels comments were about looking "more true"

Is it possible....just possible the Michael bay is wrong and that his movie would not look more true on BD? I really cant wait to see myself, but if I had to bet I dont think it will look any different. Again I admit I could be wrong.

[Rob Zuber]

Originally Posted by webmaster@michaelbay

Just thought you'd like to know.... someone thinks Bay should be shot.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422&postcount=103

The dick wads are angry!

[turboedguy]

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

It seems like he is sure that HD DVD and its spec was the result of a movie not equal to what he wanted, and that something that BD has which HD DVD does not would net a different/better result.

I want to know what that is and if thats true. The Science.

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

I have heard this many times, but just dont see it on a constant basis. I also have to wonder if Michael knows it could be more true because of higher bit rates.

I have a professionally calibrate top of the line display and watching both formats on a regular basis. Higher bit rates dont seem to automatical yield a better picture every time. Do you think I am wrong?

Are you saying Michael is saying that his movie does not look "more true" becuase of bit rate?

BTW I am not talking about audio because Michaels comments were about looking "more true"

Is it possible....just possible the Michael bay is wrong and that his movie would not look more true on BD? I really cant wait to see myself, but if I had to bet I dont think it will look any different. Again I admit I could be wrong.

You asked the science of the superior technology and how it could be better, Do you not belive that Blu-ray has the potenital for a "better" and "more true" picture? The physics say that bit rate matters, as well as codecs and If its the bitrate that gives Bay the desired look in his films, whatever.


The fact is Blu-ray is superior in all fields, Bitrate transfer, Disc space for uncompressed audio, etc...

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

So while in the studio with him he is able to see how different the movie would look on blu ray vs HD DVD?

Director's like Michael Bay likely get to sign off on the video, and can also look at the master. He may just know that the HD DVD version doesn't retain all the visible detail of the master.

I responded to your question in the original place over here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=77

--Darin

[zerohour]

Man, I tell you what, that orangecrush guy seems very heart broken by this. I can't seem to win, I give up.

[JonD7]

Hahaha! thats one awesome post

[zerohour]

Originally Posted by JonD7

Hahaha! thats one awesome post

I do what I can. I have been a blu-ray supporter for along time and now have around 20 movies. I been coming to this site for awhile but just never signed up until that orangecrush guy on the Michael Bay forums got on my nerves.

[darkedgex]

Originally Posted by webmaster@michaelbay

Just thought you'd like to know.... someone thinks Bay should be shot.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422&postcount=103

Wow... just wow. Some people take this stuff way too seriously. I mean, I know it's Michael Bay's job to take his work seriously, but taking a format war so seriously that you make threats against peoples lives. Wow, that's all there is you can say to that.

[richard lichtenfelt]

Here is a professional article from DVDFILE.com. Notice the 3rd box chart.
It contains a numerical rating of blu-ray and hd dvd video quality scores by averaging the movie reviews on the websites High Def Digest, Home Theater Spot, DVD Talk, Upcoming Discs, and Home Theater Forum.
Notice that the video quality score for blu-ray is the unanimous winner.
http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=6326

Here is Mr. Bays' comment, I really think it speaks for itself: http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum...5&postcount=80

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

Are you saying Michael is saying that his movie does not look "more true" becuase of bit rate?

Is it possible....just possible the Michael bay is wrong and that his movie would not look more true on BD? I really cant wait to see myself, but if I had to bet I dont think it will look any different. Again I admit I could be wrong.

This really should be outside of the Insider's thread as neither Michael Bay, nor anyone justifying his comment, are insider's here at the moment.

That said, he specifically mentioned how he goes frame by frame through his films and demands perfection. Whether or not a higher-bitrate encode yields significant results at normal speed playback has been argued to death by fans of the competing formats, but it would be very difficult to say that a more compressed still looks identical to a less compressed still. All the hand-tweaking proposed by some HD DVD fans may work as a way to "trick the eye" into not noticing the difference as certain information is thrown out in order to provide more detail in a specific area of the frame, but someone who is looking at the full frame (and as a still) will pick up on that "trick" immediately.

I'm with Bay on this. Everyone can argue about whether or not the lower-bitrate "tweaking" works well enough so that most people will never notice it during playback... but I'd still take the higher bitrate encode where such tricks weren't necessary. There is no way a lower bitrate encode is better... that's the "science," I suppose. How much better a higher-bitrate encode is depends on exactly what you're looking for, and how much you're going to scrutinize the image.

[jdc115]

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

Curious...first post and everything, but I honestly want to understand something from the point of view of people who know BD very well.

Can anyone expain to me the science around this statement from Michael Bay?

"My films finished in Blu-Ray are better - more true." - Michael Bay

What does "more true" mean and what specifically from a technical point of view would net a the movie to look "more true"?

I didn't respond to you on the Insider forum as it is not the correct place for the discussion. You probably could ask on Michael Bay directly on his forum.

As others have pointed out on the Insider thread, it has to do with more capacity and bandwidth. And if you read his quote, you will see he does also mention Sound as well as picture, so it is not just a side by side visual that needs to be compared. But the package of audio and video that can be delivered and he believes Blu-ray is better suited to do that then HD-DVD.

[Rike255]

Good on you Bay. I love this guy he takes noe crap from nobody. And wow I can't believe the guy said that (in regards to the above link). Geez that's nuts.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by webmaster@michaelbay

Just thought you'd like to know.... someone thinks Bay should be shot.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422&postcount=103

It's truly sad Mr Bay has to put up with insults like that for merely speaking the truth. I am sure it's just some 15 year pimpled face loser without a life living in they're parents basement.

But in this day an age you never know.

[aygie]

Originally Posted by GarettP

I hope The Rock is as good as he says, since his Movies are better on Blu!

Its good. I've got the UK version and i likey!

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Huge Knuts

thanks for the reply, but is he saying that BD does something HD DVD cant in order to produce a "more true" version of his movie? I just cant help but call a little BS on this. I own both formats and both look great. Never have I seen a move on either format look "more true" as he puts it.

Huge, BDs can assign more bits to the video and audio (for example 40 Mb/s top video, 48 Mb/s to audio + video) therefore the image and the audio can have more information and be truer (have higher fidelity) to the source.

A video encoded at 30 Mb/s carries double the information than a video of 15 Mb/s. 35 mm film is a very high resolution medium (image clarity is defined by frequency (detail-resolution) x amplitude (contrast-sharpness) / noise (graininess-compression artifacts). The more information from it you record and transmit, the better it looks, and the closer to its original quality it is.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by darinp2

Director's like Michael Bay likely get to sign off on the video, and can also look at the master. He may just know that the HD DVD version doesn't retain all the visible detail of the master.

I responded to your question in the original place over here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=77

--Darin

Don't forget the HD DVD version doesn't have lossless audio, whereas titles like Pearl Harbor & The Rock do. Other titles like Armageddon and the Bad Boys films are also guranteed lossless audio tracks.

The import of The Island is DD only, probably due to the fact WB limited it for both formats.