Hell has frozen over: A mea culpa from 5thDanMaster aka Oshodi (Red Ant)

[Mr. Hanky]

Originally Posted by JTK

In a few cases it comes down to outright integrity and character and possibly even a moral issues when we talk about people DELIBERATELY lying and misleading others.

I absolutely agree on this point. That is why I don't buy the "I was mislead and now see the light" explanation for even a second. It all seems just a tad too convenient. It's like Mark Reuban (or however you spell it), and all the bs that he knowingly allowed to go over at avs, and then when the jig is up, he thinks he can just make a call for bygones to be bygones and call everybody back so it all can be just like it used to be. Wtf?! It takes a lot of effort to achieve the level of corruption that was exhibited over the past year or so. Things like that don't happen just by mistake, and someone possessing a high degree of reasoning and debating skills (as some of the most vocal proponents are particularly noted for) doesn't just let the wool get pulled over their eyes on a whim. There was concerted intent and willful malfeasance (hah!...got to finally work that term into a speech) involved.

All of this points to an issue of personal integrity, rather than a claimed temporary ignorance of the facts. I no more trust them to be a proponent for our side than a proponent for the opposite side. Conceivably, they would simply resort to the same slimy tactics that they employed before. Even if it is "helping" our side, I don't think that is something "our side" necessarily needs association with [persons and tactics of that ilk].

Even if it really is a sincere case of temporary ignorance, isn't that even more reason to dismiss anything they have to say on sight? They don't really have the ability to tell "right" from "wrong", rather simply just go with whatever way the wind is blowing. Common sense and integrity are simply missing from the psychological makeup, altogether, imo (it's the crucial difference of knowing "right from wrong" vs. just going through the motions that give the impression of "knowing right from wrong"...it's really not that far off from the "sociopath" profile). They may have found salvation today, but there is nothing, absolutely nothing that prevents them from going rogue on a dime some other day. There is simply nothing in their psyche that keeps that in check.