Black bar haters MUST SEE THIS!

[andyn1080]

i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!

[saprano]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!

but 16x9 will STILL be cutting off some picture.

[BStecke]

Anamorphic widescreen does not automatically mean there will be no more black bars. Watch a non-anamorphic 2.35 DVD and then switch to an anamorphic 2.35 disc. You still have bars, but the non-anamorphic is MUCH more prevalent, not to mention it's 2.35 made for 4x3. Anamorphic just makes it so it's properly formatted for a 16x9 TV, rather than stretching a 2.35 4x3 image to fill a 16x9 set.

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Anamorphic widescreen does not automatically mean there will be no more black bars. Watch a non-anamorphic 2.35 DVD and then switch to an anamorphic 2.35 disc. You still have bars, but the non-anamorphic is MUCH more prevalent, not to mention it's 2.35 made for 4x3. Anamorphic just makes it so it's properly formatted for a 16x9 TV, rather than stretching a 2.35 4x3 image to fill a 16x9 set.

A 2:35:1 image that's scaled to fit your TV without cropping is going to fill exactly the same image area regardless of whether the source is anamorphic or not, so the bars will not be much more prevalent.

If anything, I've seen them be less prevalent for nonanamorphic images, since that usually involves using a zoom mode, which usually zooms too aggressively and shears off a little more of the sides.

Anamorphic images do give you more detail.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

A 2:35:1 image that's scaled to fit your TV without cropping is going to fill exactly the same image area regardless of whether the source is anamorphic or not, so the bars will not be much more prevalent.

If anything, I've seen them be less prevalent for nonanamorphic images, since that usually involves using a zoom mode, which usually zooms too aggressively and shears off a little more of the sides.

Anamorphic images do give you more detail.

A 2.35, non-anamorphic DVD such as the first release of Event Horizon (just to throw one out there) will be pillarboxed and have HUGE black bars on the top and bottom of the image. The new, anamorphic release, is made to fit the television, making the black bars much smaller, and eliminating the need for pillarboxes. The lack of anamorphic discs was the bane of early adopters of HDTV's because, in order to fill the picture, you have to zoom in and stretch it, thus eliminating detail.

I'm talking about DVD encoding, where I think you're talking about filming.

[DarkClown]

Originally Posted by BStecke

A 2.35, non-anamorphic DVD such as the first release of Event Horizon (just to throw one out there) will be pillarboxed and have HUGE black bars on the top and bottom of the image. The new, anamorphic release, is made to fit the television, making the black bars much smaller, and eliminating the need for pillarboxes. The lack of anamorphic discs was the bane of early adopters of HDTV's because, in order to fill the picture, you have to zoom in and stretch it, thus eliminating detail.

I'm talking about DVD encoding, where I think you're talking about filming.

it is quite technically impossible to change the shape (aspect ratio) of a picture without doing one of 2 things.

1) stretching the picture to fit
2) cropping the picture to fit

Both are totally undesirable and I would much prefer to watch Event Horizon in its originally intended format with the black bars which by the way are not called pillar boxes.

Pillar bars are black bars on the sides of the picture caused by watching a 4:3 picture on a 16X9 TV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_box_(film)

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by DarkClown

it is quite technically impossible to change the shape (aspect ratio) of a picture without doing one of 2 things.

1) stretching the picture to fit
2) cropping the picture to fit

Both are totally undesirable and I would much prefer to watch Event Horizon in its originally intended format with the black bars which by the way are not called pillar boxes.

Pillar bars are black bars on the sides of the picture caused by watching a 4:3 picture on a 16X9 TV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_box_(film)

You need to do some more research. If you watch a non-anamorphic DVD on a widescreen set, you will get both pillarboxes and black bars on the top and bottom, because the disc is not made for display on a 16x9 set. What you are watching is a widescreen presentation that was made for display on a 4x3 set. An anamorphic DVD, or enhanced for widescreen TV's, is encoded onto the disc so that when you play it back on a 16x9 set, it will fill the screen, or have black bars on the top and bottom depending on the aspect ratio of the film.

Most (if not all) early DVD's were non-anamorphic, and will result in pillarboxing, along with the black bars on the top and bottom.

Read this.
Here's another example that would pertain to Event Horizon, being a 2.35 film.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by saprano

but 16x9 will STILL be cutting off some picture.

not if its FILMED in 16x9, as the original poster said.

But then movie theatres would get black bars on the sides of their screens...I think.

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!

For the millionth time, 16:9 is 1.78:1. Do the math yourself.

1.85 for one, for a TV that's not in idiot overscan mode, has very narrow black bars on a 16:9 TV.

[ToonyLoons]

I have no probs with black bars. I wish this vid was out in stores to explain to the general population what is really going on with "fullscreen" vs "widescreen"

[Lucy Diamond]

My widesreen doubles as a coffee table.

I'm pretty straight edge, but when some of my friends come over andwe watch movies they like to use the black bars to snort coke off of.

It works out for everybody and it doesn't disturb the picture.

Now...if only I could get those damn razor marks off my screen...FIRMWARE UPDATE!!!

[DarkClown]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!

Film Makers make films to be displayed from a film projector onto a movie theater screen, not a 16X9 TV screen. So why should they be limted to that format? Simply because you don't like the black bars? Tell you what, buy a decent TV and use the zoom feature so that the picture fills up your entire screen. The rest of us prefer to watch the movie at it's intended aspect ratio, without any cropping.

[Blu As Hell]

Originally Posted by DarkClown

Film Makers make films to be displayed from a film projector onto a movie theater screen, not a 16X9 TV screen. So why should they be limted to that format? Simply because you don't like the black bars? Tell you what, buy a decent TV and use the zoom feature so that the picture fills up your entire screen. The rest of us prefer to watch the movie at it's intended aspect ratio, without any cropping.

I totally concur.

[surfdude12]

i figured out a way to fix my black bars...for my 67" TV (60 W x 48 H), the black bars are 60W x 3H, so I bought to mini 60X3 LCD's and mounted them at the position of the two black bars, bought two more PS3's and connected them to the LCD's and started the movie simultaneously on all 3 PS3's!!!! trouble is now i have 6 black bars!!!! help someone!!!!

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by DarkClown

Film Makers make films to be displayed from a film projector onto a movie theater screen, not a 16X9 TV screen. So why should they be limted to that format? Simply because you don't like the black bars? Tell you what, buy a decent TV and use the zoom feature so that the picture fills up your entire screen. The rest of us prefer to watch the movie at it's intended aspect ratio, without any cropping.

To be honest we're only stuck with 16:9 as a throwback to the CRT television. making extreme aspect ratio tubes was impractical and this aspect ratio was chosen as a feasible one for manufacturing CRTs. Now we have moved to the flat panel age, there is no requirement for the 16:9 aspect ratio.

Perhaps when movies become available on holographic formats, the aspect ratio of the TV will change. Mr Spielberg was apparently unhappy with 16:9 and wanted something closer to a Panavision aspect ratio.

[btf1980]

That's African American bars pal.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by btf1980

That's African American bars pal.

If you hate black bars, then you're a racist.

[bluseminole]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

If you hate black bars, then you're a racist.

It's not that I dislike the black bars, it's just that I like the white ones a whole lot better.....

[saprano]

I perfer spanish bars

[JohnAlden]

Pineapple Express trailer from the playstation store is anamorphic 2:35:1, but the blackbars are less aparent.