The whole "Matrix and Terminator Series were really One" story

[Groo The Perverted]

Okay, so you may or may not remember one Sophia Stewart (sometimes printed as Sofia Stewart) who came forward and claimed that the Matrix movies were a product of her ideas that were stolen from her by the studios who had passed on her book "The Third Eye".

She came up with a few ideas that seemed to make at least a little sense, and make some people say "hmmm...I don't necessarily believe this, but it does sound intriguing"

What got ME to really be interested, while I didn't believe her, was when she brought in the Terminator series and claimed that was actually a part of the story as well.

Now follow me, because I'll be moving in a circular motion, and if you pay attention, there will be a POINT! (sorry had to go there)

Basically she claimed that in her original story and ideas, the Matrix series and Terminator series were one.

The Matrix is synonymous with Skynet, I suppose, and John Connor/Neo were one person.

That the Matrix and the Agents, realizing that they needed to snuff out Neo, sent a machine back to when he was not yet born, to kill Neo's mother, thus deleting everything that would happen.

Now when I heard this I was like "Holy SHIT! that's awesome!"

I mean it kind of makes sense, and kind of doesn't, but it's flipping awesome to think about that, no?

Ok, The Terminator and The Matrix are actually “one book”. That’s my "Third Eye" manuscript. It’s nine chapters but it's all from the same source (no pun intended) Terminator starts from the front of my book to the back. Matrix starts from the back of my book and works its way to the front. They are moving in two opposite directions. My book was separated into two. "The Third Eye" is an epic, my book spans three time frames the past, the present and the future. Those films do the same thing. The child in the first Terminator who is born to the pregnant lady (Sarah Connor) grows up to be the same as the grown man character in the Matrix called Neo, it’s that chosen one, savior concept. Matrix starts in the future, when technology has taken over. The Terminator was sent to kill the child who was prophesized to destroy the machines. That intersects directly with Neo as being the one prophesized to bring the machine reign to an end. One critic who is unaware of my lawsuit called the movies cousins but they are actually one in the same in the original.

How awesome is it to think about those movies being connected and essentially telling the same story? There's discrepancies in the films that kind of discredit that, but still. Interesting, nonetheless.

[OrlandoEastwood]

I believe the Matrix and Terminator are unintentionally related to this woman's work.

[Lord_Stewie]

I honestly believe that both movies were one story in a sense. Didn't need the woman to make the claim because of the similarities in both films. Plus you could relate to something if it has elements that meets with the books such as The Lords of the Rings to Harry Potter both have magic, struggle for power, and death.

As for Matrix Vs. Terminator:

• Man created an enemy.
• Man Vs. Machine.
• End of the World as we know it (Judgement Day).
• The correlations between John Connor and Neo.

And the list continues.

[Batman1980]

Sounds like someone trying to stick their hand in and get a piece of the pie to me.

[GORT]

Actualy Skynet is more synonymous with Colossus than The Matrix.

[citizen]

the same is true of Hoosiers and Air Bud

if you watch them back to back, you'll notice the similarities

[Al_The_Strange]

It's easy to see how the two are related, but there are key differences. The biggest thing is that the machines in "The Matrix" enslaved humanity (

[Show spoiler]and by the end of the saga, they wound up co-existing with humanity

). "The Terminator" is all about...well...termination!

I also think it's a bit much to say that John Connor and Neo are one and the same; one is a military leader, the other becomes more of a spiritual leader. Neo never takes command of any military forces (except for one hovercraft); in fact, he is low on the chain of command throughout the three films. He is actually more powerful within the matrix than outside. John Connor, on the other hand, can push his weight around and exercise control over manpower and resources. To me, the two are totally different men.

Nope, to me the two sagas are completely different, even if they have many simularities. If we start blending these together, we might as well say that Han Solo and Buck Rogers are one and the same. Or William Wallace and Rob Roy are the same. Maybe Star Trek and Star Wars occupy the same galaxy.

However, reading up on the issue, there may be credence that the filmmakers may have ripped off one book. I may have to find a copy, see what started it all!

[My_Two_Cents]

Not surprising, as I've always heard that there are really only a handful of truly original story lines, and all current books/movies can be "fit" into one of these. Different people have different lists, but I like the following:

1. 'Tragedy'. Hero with a fatal flaw meets tragic end. Macbeth or Madame Bovary.
2. 'Comedy'. Not necessary laugh-out-loud, but always with a happy ending, typically of romantic fulfilment, as in Jane Austen.
3. 'Overcoming the Monster'. As in Frankenstein or 'Jaws'. Its psychological appeal is obvious and eternal.
4. 'Voyage and Return'. Booker argues that stories as diverse as Alice in Wonderland and H G Wells' The Time Machine and Coleridge's The Rime of the Ancient Mariner follow the same archetypal structure of personal development through leaving, then returning home.
5. 'Quest'. Whether the quest is for a holy grail, a whale, or a kidnapped child it is the plot that links a lot of the most popular fiction. The quest plot links Lords of the Rings with Moby Dick and a thousand others in between.
6. 'Rags to Riches'. The riches in question can be literal or metaphoric. See Cinderella, David Copperfield, Pygmalion.
7. 'Rebirth'. The 'rebirth' plot - where a central character suddenly finds a new reason for living - can be seen in A Christmas Carol, It's a Wonderful Life, Crime and Punishment and Peer Gynt.

[Propellarhead9]

Up until they made the Animatrix I viewed it as one story.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

It's easy to see how the two are related, but there are key differences. The biggest thing is that the machines in "The Matrix" enslaved humanity (

[Show spoiler]and by the end of the saga, they wound up co-existing with humanity

). "The Terminator" is all about...well...termination!

I also think it's a bit much to say that John Connor and Neo are one and the same; one is a military leader, the other becomes more of a spiritual leader. Neo never takes command of any military forces (except for one hovercraft); in fact, he is low on the chain of command throughout the three films. He is actually more powerful within the matrix than outside. John Connor, on the other hand, can push his weight around and exercise control over manpower and resources. To me, the two are totally different men.

Nope, to me the two sagas are completely different, even if they have many simularities. If we start blending these together, we might as well say that Han Solo and Buck Rogers are one and the same. Or William Wallace and Rob Roy are the same. Maybe Star Trek and Star Wars occupy the same galaxy.

However, reading up on the issue, there may be credence that the filmmakers may have ripped off one book. I may have to find a copy, see what started it all!

There ARE differences, but those differences could have come into play past what we have seen.

The machines enslaving vs. coming to co-exist. The Matrix finale could have been the end of that whole storyline.

The differences between Connor/Neo, IN THE MOVIES, yes they were very different, however I'm going under the idea that the CONCEPT of these being tied in, could work very well, because aside from some derivations, there are elements that could tie in.

Essentially the Terminator stuff would be in the past, and the Matrix stuff would be in the present/future.

Mainly referring to the First Terminator flick and the first Matrix.

To boil it down to the basics, being the computers/machines (embodied in "the Matrix" and "Skynet" in the two movies) trying to enslave mankind, and they would send machines back (terminators/agents) to kill the "Neo" character's mother before he was born, and would grow up to be "the one" or whatever.

So instead of "co-existing" they would continue to dominate and enslave.

Interesting idea, anyway.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

There ARE differences, but those differences could have come into play past what we have seen.

The machines enslaving vs. coming to co-exist. The Matrix finale could have been the end of that whole storyline.

The differences between Connor/Neo, IN THE MOVIES, yes they were very different, however I'm going under the idea that the CONCEPT of these being tied in, could work very well, because aside from some derivations, there are elements that could tie in.

Essentially the Terminator stuff would be in the past, and the Matrix stuff would be in the present/future.

Mainly referring to the First Terminator flick and the first Matrix.

To boil it down to the basics, being the computers/machines (embodied in "the Matrix" and "Skynet" in the two movies) trying to enslave mankind, and they would send machines back (terminators/agents) to kill the "Neo" character's mother before he was born, and would grow up to be "the one" or whatever.

So instead of "co-existing" they would continue to dominate and enslave.

Interesting idea, anyway.

Okay then, that makes sense. It's just that my first reaction must have been "What?! They're different!"

I am wondering now though just how close these movies are to the book. Hollywood adapts and copies ideas from everywhere all of the time; is this really a case of blatant plagerism, or are the films just loosely based on the book's ideas. On the surface, the book sounds practically the same as the two film franchises, but the same could easily be said about many other films (like "Star Wars" ripping off "The Hidden Fortress," or "A Fistfull of Dollars" being a remake of "Yojimbo"). Is the author really looking for a fair share, or is she just trying to mooch off of the films' successes?

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

Okay then, that makes sense. It's just that my first reaction must have been "What?! They're different!"

I am wondering now though just how close these movies are to the book. Hollywood adapts and copies ideas from everywhere all of the time; is this really a case of blatant plagerism, or are the films just loosely based on the book's ideas. On the surface, the book sounds practically the same as the two film franchises, but the same could easily be said about many other films (like "Star Wars" ripping off "The Hidden Fortress," or "A Fistfull of Dollars" being a remake of "Yojimbo"). Is the author really looking for a fair share, or is she just trying to mooch off of the films' successes?

Well this was years ago, and she never even showed up to court so it was thrown out.

google Sophia Stewart or Mother of the Matrix and you'll see.

To give you a clue as to how much merit this had, the ONLY interview I could find was on playahata.com

Nuff said. lol

[Moviefan2k4]

Well, I've often heard it said that "there's no such thing as an original idea, only an original approach to an existing idea."

For example, you could give six writers the same basic concept (say, time-travel for example), and you'd wind up with six different results: "A Christmas Carol", "The Time Machine", Back to the Future", "Star Trek: First Contact", "17 Again", and "Hot Tub Time Machine". All of them are drastically different, yet they share the same concept.

[Gold Ranger]

Sorry to bring this Thread back from the dead.... But there's one thing that's missing from all of this...
MegaZone 23

That is were the Matrix story really comes from.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Sorry to bring this Thread back from the dead.... But there's one thing that's missing from all of this...
MegaZone 23

That is were the Matrix story really comes from.

Never heard of that.

[Groo The Perverted]

BTW: I just realized I never actually posted the attempted interview I tried to do with her. That was just a clusterf*ck from the jump.

Here's the piece I wrote on my blog.

http://www.searchingforchetbaker.com...hises-one.html

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Groo The Perverted

Never heard of that.

It's an early '80's Japanese Anime'

The lady is a liar and a fraud!

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

It's an early '80's Japanese Anime'

The lady is a liar and a fraud!

It's my opinion that she's got some mental health issues. Going back and forth with her with just simple questions was mind destroying. lol

[max041104]

Originally Posted by citizen

the same is true of Hoosiers and Air Bud

if you watch them back to back, you'll notice the similarities

[StevenHarvey1990]

While this is certainly interesting to think about... all I want to do is write a screenplay where the two franchises are meshed together just for the hell of it!

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